The '13 driver transfer discussion/speculation thread op updated 16/10

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I feel sorry that his time at Mercedes wasn't better... but he did show an ability to still be competitive when the conditions permitted it.

Sayonara, Herr Schu.
 
Interesting stuff from Will Buxton:

@willbuxton: Well that was interesting. Pastor Maldonado, on the record, just told me he might not be with Williams next year. Keeping options open.
 
Crazy idea time, off the back of Buxton's Tweet: Maldonado to Sauber.

On his day, Maldonado is undeniably fast, but he obviously lacks discipline. The same kind of discipline that Sauber is known to instill in their drivers. And between Perez moving to McLaren and Schumacher confirming his second retirement, there is a guaranteed vacancy at Sauber. Perez’s departure means the team is probably going to be a little short on cash next year, but Maldonado brings the kind of money they need.

It would be a tremendously unpopular move for Pastor Maldonado to go to Sauber, but if anybody can straighten him out, it’s Peter Sauber. Just imagine what it would be like if he gave us more drives like Barcelona and less like Silverstone …
 
Crazy idea perhaps, but still entirely plausible. LH just left McLaren for Mercedes, anything seems to be possible right now.
 
When Alonso confirms his championship before the last race i think everyone should go slower and let Michael win. How cool would that be?!
 
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When Alonso confirms his championship before the last race i think everyone should go slower and let Michael win. How cool would that be?!
Not really. I don't think anyone would really consider that a legitimate win.
 
Horrible. I'm sure Schumacher wants to remember his last race as the one where everyone pulled over to let him win.
 
Yeah. He certainly didn't want that at Indianapolis, back with Ferrari. :D

But seriously, the way things are at the front, I doubt that would ever happen.
 
Well it was inevitable, but the news still saddens me. I was four years old when Michael made his debut and I've been following him ever since. While his comeback had not been as successful as many hoped, you have to give him credit for hanging in there. Were it not for a lot of bad luck and mechanical unreliability, the statistics would be far better.

Thank you Michael.
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It's a shame he couldn't record a win with Mercedes (up to now at least) but he's won 7 world titles and had the best car on the grid for a good portion of his career so he hasn't done too bad.
 
Well it was inevitable, but the news still saddens me. I was four years old when Michael made his debut and I've been following him ever since. While his comeback had not been as successful as many hoped, you have to give him credit for hanging in there. Were it not for a lot of bad luck and mechanical unreliability, the statistics would be far better.

Thank you Michael.


1. He isn't dead
2. You can talk about unreliability and bad luck, but I think he used his fair share of that in the first part of his career. A long with a bucket load of other factors, some of which were illegal.
 
1. He isn't dead
2. You can talk about unreliability and bad luck, but I think he used his fair share of that in the first part of his career. A long with a bucket load of other factors, some of which were illegal.

1: Well obviously. I have supported Michael for some 21 years now. That's a lot of memories.
2: Indeed, he had a lot of good luck the first time around, but he has performed better in his comeback than the statistics will tell you. As for the "illegal" factors, it's funny how so many are quick to judge Michael and conveniently ignore the similar tactics used by the "holier than thou" Senna and Hamilton.
 
2: Indeed, he had a lot of good luck the first time around, but he has performed better in his comeback than the statistics will tell you. As for the "illegal" factors, it's funny how so many are quick to judge Michael and conveniently ignore the similar tactics used by the "holier than thou" Senna and Hamilton.

It's machinery as well as tactics. I'd say the B194 is one of the most controversial cars of the last 20 years. In fact, 1994 was bloody rife with accusations of cheating.

Senna was a dirty player when he wanted to be, and I too feel that this is often overlooked. Vetoing Warwick's move to Lotus in favour of Johnny Dumfries, for example...

But still, the most successful driver in the history of the sport is saying his second goodbye. I never thought he should have come back but sometimes drivers just can't stay away from the track. But what now? Joining the management staff at Mercedes or Ferrari perhaps?
 
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1: Well obviously. I have supported Michael for some 21 years now. That's a lot of memories.
2: Indeed, he had a lot of good luck the first time around, but he has performed better in his comeback than the statistics will tell you. As for the "illegal" factors, it's funny how so many are quick to judge Michael and conveniently ignore the similar tactics used by the "holier than thou" Senna and Hamilton.

I don't think Hamilton would intentionally ruin qualifying for someone else just to ensure he kept pole, Michael has no sense of honour sometimes.
 
I don't think Hamilton would intentionally ruin qualifying for someone else just to ensure he kept pole, Michael has no sense of honour sometimes.

Errmmm Alonso-Hamilton in Mclaren, they had a few trouble during qualification I think. I remember Alonso staying in the pit so that Hamilton couldnt change tyre in time to go for another hot lap and it was because Hamilton did something to him before, I dont quite remember what tho.

I'm still thinking Michael should have stay retired. He didnt won so he failed for me. You can argue whatever your want but a 3rd place for Schumacher is not good, especially in a Brawn team where his teammate managed to win.
The only time he really surprised me was his "pole" in Monaco, it would have probably been a win if he didnt had penalty.
 
Errmmm Alonso-Hamilton in Mclaren, they had a few trouble during qualification I think. I remember Alonso staying in the pit so that Hamilton couldnt change tyre in time to go for another hot lap and it was because Hamilton did something to him before, I dont quite remember what tho.

Probably because Hamilton was doing so well in his debut season and Alonso was being a bitter loser at the time.

I'm still thinking Michael should have stay retired. He didnt won so he failed for me. You can argue whatever your want but a 3rd place for Schumacher is not good, especially in a Brawn team where his teammate managed to win.
The only time he really surprised me was his "pole" in Monaco, it would have probably been a win if he didnt had penalty.

Possibly, Anthony Davidson said he drove over the bump in the first sector which gave him time on his qualifying lap, IIRC Michael was half a second up going into the tunnel which meant he lost time in the second half of the lap. Plenty of teams had good race pace that day so it would have been hard.
 
Probably because Hamilton was doing so well in his debut season and Alonso was being a bitter loser at the time.

I've been supporting Hamilton since his debut because I love Mclaren but honestly he's not the angel you seems to think he is. He's a winner, winner step on others, that's the way it is.
 
I've been supporting Hamilton since his debut because I love Mclaren but honestly he's not the angel you seems to think he is. He's a winner, winner step on others, that's the way it is.

Of course he's been a bit wreckless in the past and acted like an idiot outside the car to, I just don't think he has planned any of his worst moments in an F1 car like Michael has. Look at Spa for example, he was fighting with Vettel and then he done some sort of crazy overtake around the outside only to pit his car and cost Vettel time.
 
Of course he's been a bit wreckless in the past and acted like an idiot outside the car to, I just don't think he has planned any of his worst moments in an F1 car like Michael has. Look at Spa for example, he was fighting with Vettel and then he done some sort of crazy overtake around the outside only to pit his car and cost Vettel time.

I agree with this, Michael's been quite reckless some times. Like his move on Ruben in Hungary. I dont like him anyway so i wont judge him good. Ferrari and Michael lost all credit to me when they asked Ruben to move away in Austria.
 
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Probably because Hamilton was doing so well in his debut season and Alonso was being a bitter loser at the time.

I don't think it's completely Alonso's fault you know... IMO, I think it's mainly about how Mclaren mishandled the situation, especially with a new hard headed rookie and a double world champ.

Hamilton isn't exactly a perfect saint as you claim to describe... Remember the Hamilton-Trulli incident back in Australia '09? And all his incidents with Massa?

We all may have particular drivers that we support, but that shouldn't be clouding our judgement too, especially on your favourite and other drivers. After all, no one's perfect.
 
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I think I should post this here:

Marc Priestley
I've been involved in F1 for a long time now and been a fan for even longer, not since the days of Prost and Senna has there been a more bitterly contested rivalry within a team than at McLaren in 2007.
I'd taken up a new, more central role that year, overseeing the build of both race cars and therefore formed part of that third team of people within the organisation I spoke of earlier. Both Lewis and Fernando were new to the team and I had no particular allegiance to either as the season began. Both drivers got on well together, Fernando confident of his unspoken number one position and Lewis, at that stage, in awe of his team-mate and keen to learn from him.
By the time we reached Monaco, Lewis' confidence had boomed, perhaps a little too much it could be said for someone with an F1 career consisting of four races. Fernando, I'm sure, was finding it a little 'frustrating' that the new boy wouldn't just stay behind him and when it came to that race and both cars were fast and out in front, radio traffic became a little heated from both drivers. Lewis was told to hold his second position to avoid risking a crash around the tight and unforgiving streets of Monte Carlo, but proceeded to push Fernando all the way, attempting numerous bold moves. Both were shouting and screaming over the radio and it became the beginning of the end of the partnership, but significantly the beginning of a huge split down the middle of the McLaren garage.
The drivers are hugely influential forces in any F1 setup, it's a responsibility that comes with the job. If the driver pairing works, together they can galvanise a team, boost moral and help drive everyone on, what happened in 2007 at McLaren was quite the opposite.
As the drivers began to publicly fall out, and particularly after the well documented Hungary qualifying incident, there was no secret that the two didn't like each other and the last thing they would be prepared to do would be to work together.
The unavoidable tension didn't take long to spread throughout the team. Fernando tried desperately to rally his own side of the garage with 'perks' for people associated with his car and Lewis played his best media games, notably a display of shaking hands with the entire team whenever the TV cameras came in pre-race.
The car crews, as ever got behind their men, but interestingly developed a quite intense distain for the driver on the other side of the invisible divide. A rivalry like I hadn't really seen before emerged between mechanics and engineers on either side and even they began to distance themselves from each other more and more.
With all this going on each week, coupled with our exclusion from the constructors' championship as part of the Spygate affair, McLaren was not a nice place to be working that year. As someone with no affiliation to either driver, I lost a lot of respect for both during the course of the season.
They were both incredibly fast and we had a very fast car. It was a year when our team should have cleaned up and yet the shameful truth is that when we got to Brazil, with both of them in contention for the WDC, but no WCC points to play for, in my heart I hoped Kimi would come away victorious.
Of course I still did the best job I could over the weekend and in pitstops etc, but to have those feelings shocked me and was a dramatic example of the influence of two bickering drivers within the same team over everyone else within it.
F1's a team sport and whilst healthy competition on the inside is great, it needs everyone within pulling in the same direction to be successful. One portion of the team is always likely to end up happier than the other, but at the end of the day, if the figureheads, the public faces of that team, are pulling each other apart, they pull the whole lot down with them very quickly.

Source: http://thef1times.com/news/display/06511
 
Well it was inevitable, but the news still saddens me. I was four years old when Michael made his debut and I've been following him ever since. While his comeback had not been as successful as many hoped, you have to give him credit for hanging in there. Were it not for a lot of bad luck and mechanical unreliability, the statistics would be far better.

Be glad you are able to witness the end of the carreer of your hero.... This is a far better way to retire from F1, I watched my hero being carried away on a stretcher.... and never saw him on track again.
 
I don't think it's completely Alonso's fault you know... IMO, I think it's mainly about how Mclaren mishandled the situation, especially with a new hard headed rookie and a double world champ.

Hamilton isn't exactly a perfect saint as you claim to describe... Remember the Hamilton-Trulli incident back in Australia '09? And all his incidents with Massa?

We all may have particular drivers that we support, but that shouldn't be clouding our judgement too, especially on your favourite and other drivers. After all, no one's perfect.

I said something else after that.
 
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Man I'm sad that he leaves. I never wanted him to only win, I simply wanted to see him drive and show his brilliance, which from time to time, hed did. Sigh. I said it once before, but now I'm really hoping he can at least win one more time. Suzuka would have been really good, but stewards thought it was a good idea to give him a 10 place grid penalty...
 
I think there were some people who genuinely believed he would go to Sauber.
I never believed for one second he'd go to Sauber but in all honesty, I wanted him too. We've never really seen him as part of a smaller team and I would love to see what he could do in such an environment. Nonetheless he's most likely made the right decision to hang up his helmet now.
 
Man I'm sad that he leaves. I never wanted him to only win, I simply wanted to see him drive and show his brilliance, which from time to time, hed did. Sigh. I said it once before, but now I'm really hoping he can at least win one more time. Suzuka would have been really good, but stewards thought it was a good idea to give him a 10 place grid penalty...

Well the stewards have the telemetry and their decision would have been based on that. I bet some of them are fans of Michael as a lot of people are, he still has 6 chances to win and who knows he might be back again in a few years. :)
 
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