The '13 driver transfer discussion/speculation thread op updated 16/10

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Yeah well that article is full of uncomfirmed fact. So I wouldnt say the Sauber seat are confirmed for now, no other f1 site I visit are talking about it so I'll still hope it's not true.

It basically said the only three drivers in the frame for Sauber are Hulk, Kobayashi and Gutierrez.
 
Williams reckon they have "many" driver options for 2013. Here's a few that I think they might be considering:

- Pastor Maldonado, for obvious reasons. He brings money from PDVSA, and even if he is accident-prone, he is a race winner and has shown an obvious turn of speed with a race win and three top-three qualifying performances. He's had four clean races in a row now, which is hopefully a sign that he's turning things around, even if the team has slipped down the order a bit.
- Bruno Senna, because he is already in the team and does bring sponsor money. However, it is widely believed that PDVSA will pay Williams more and more with each passing year to keep Maldonado in the team, and with Senna genrally under-performing, sooner or later the team will get to the point where they think he is no longer worth it.
- Valtteri Bottas, who has been earmarked as the next Nico Hulkenberg. He's highly-rated by the team, getting a lot of track time and many people are under the belief that Williams will put him in a race seat sooner, rather than later.
- Jaime Alguersuari; Alguersuari was tipped for a vacant Sauber seat before the Hulkenberg-Gutierrez talk started up, and while Hulkenberg seems a lot more definite than Gutierrez, Gutierrez has the connections and the money. If Alguersuari has found a sponsor, he might be a good choice for Williams.
- Kamui Kobayashi. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Kamui Koabayshi is one of two drivers on the grid (the other being Fernando Alonso) who truly epitomise the old-school Williams drivers: someone you can genuinely get excited about. He's believed to be losing his Sauber seat because he isn't performing and cannot find a sponsor to make up the difference, but if Williams are getting a king's ransom from PDVSA for Maldonado, they might be free to take a driver on merit.
- Robin Frijns. He'd be a huge risk, but his meteoric rise through Formula Renault cannot be overlooked. He currently has no support from any of the Formula 1 teams, but is keeping Jules Bianchi honest in Formula Renault. Again, Williams would probably need Maldonado's money to get him, but Frijns' performances should make it pretty easy to lure sposnors over. The Renault connection certainly helps.
- Adrian Sutil, who I think is a bit of an outside choice, but he was known to be talking with Williams when the Raikkonen deal fell apart. More importantly, he has what the team's current drivers lack at the moment: experience. It shouldn't be difficult for him to turn things around at Williams, though I don't know what the Force India mechanics thought of it.
- Heikki Kovalainen, who is known to be at the end of his Caterham contract this year, and wants progress from the team. Losing tenth place in the World Constructors' Championship might be the tipping point that pushes him elsewhere. That said, I've heard mixed things about Kovalainen; some claim that his feedback is quite poor and that Vitaly Petrov is working harder; others suggest Petrov is lazy and Kovalainen is the one guiding the team. His results are even harder to decipher - one the one hand, he was generally out-qualifying and out-racing Jarno Trulli in 2010 and 2011, but he's being out-raced by Petrov; in the fifteen races they have both finished, Petrov has beaten him eight times.
 
Despite what I've said about Kamui's performances of late, I genuinely think he deserves that seat.
 
It's a pity he couldn't qualify well, he's shown himself to be a clean overtaker and capable of great starts (unlike some others). He was always going to be up against it with one fewer practice session each weekend.
 
Susan Wollf is test driving the Williams now (according to the BBC) so shouldnt she be in with a shout of a drive next year?

I know its unlikely, but if shes testing it then she has a chance doesnt she?
 
MUSC4EVER
Susan Wollf is test driving the Williams now (according to the BBC) so shouldnt she be in with a shout of a drive next year?

I know its unlikely, but if shes testing it then she has a chance doesnt she?

I doubt all the money in the world would earn her a seat. In 72 DTM starts, she scored points twice(two 7th place finishes in 2010). I doubt they'd replace a gp2 champion or a gp2 runner up with her no matter who she's married to. The term "test driver" can mean different things in f1. In Susie's case, it's strictly a title. I would bet vital parts of my anatomy that it won't happen.
 
He was always going to be up against it with one fewer practice session each weekend.
I've said it before - if Senna needs that extra 90 minutes with the car just to get a decent result, then he shouldn't be in Formula 1. Most drivers only need two or three laps to learn the state of the circuit.

In Susie's case, it's strictly a title. I would bet vital parts of my anatomy that it won't happen.
She's married to Toto Wolff, one of the team's executive directors.

That said, if she got the seat before any other driver and was well off the pace, it would be an embarrassment. Investment bankers like Toto Wolff don't get to where they are by making mistakes like that.
 
I've said it before - if Senna needs that extra 90 minutes with the car just to get a decent result, then he shouldn't be in Formula 1. Most drivers only need two or three laps to learn the state of the circuit.

Mark Webber took almost all of 2011 to even look like matching Vettel in the same car, and it was all because of tyres. Should he not be in F1?

PS the difference between Maldonado and Senna in the same machine is often around half a second, you really think that couldn't be accounted for by one extra practice session?
 
Yes. Because a half second is life and death in Formula 1. Sure, and extra 90 minutes with the car might let Senna make up some of the difference, but the truth is that he just isn't as fast as Maldonado.
 
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I've said it before - if Senna needs that extra 90 minutes with the car just to get a decent result, then he shouldn't be in Formula 1. Most drivers only need two or three laps to learn the state of the circuit.

Do you know that these drivers need to find the optimum car setup during practice sessions to tailor to their varying driving styles for qualifying and the race, so that they can perform at their best? The practice sessions aren't just for learning the track only, if you actually have been noticing.

To what extent of how the lack of FP1 has actually hurt Senna, we certainly don't know. But it's not like you can completely rule out the fact that it puts Senna on a disadvantage against Maldonado...
 
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Sorry for my lack of knowledge here guys, but why has Senna been missing FP1?

I'd assume it's because Williams uses a 'Friday Driver' whilst Senna sits the session out. Since Maldonado brings in the lion's share of sponsorship money, he gets to do all the practice sessions contractually.
 
I'm aware of that. What part of my post gave you the impression that I wasn't?

Look at her CV. She has no clue nor experience in F1 racing so she'll be a permanent test driver (unless she pulls off a chanoch nissany).

I'd like to see Gutierrez and Bottas, 2 of the biggest prodigies in years. I know Kamui is great and all that (avatar lol) but he'll still be lackluster with the current tires and overall regulations that make F1 a 2-hour endurance race.

As for entirely personal preference, I want Sutil in and Kimi going to one of the 4 greats.
 
Look at her CV. She has no clue nor experience in F1 racing.

I'd like to see Gutierrez and Bottas, 2 of the biggest prodigies in years. I know Kamui is great and all that (avatar lol) but he'll still be lackluster with the current tires and overall regulations that make F1 a 2-hour endurance race.

As for entirely personal preference, I want Sutil in and Kimi going to one of the 4 greats.

Sorry to ask but where is Bottas coming from ? I dont recall seeing him in front in GP2. Does he comes from another racing series ? I'm not trying to be funny I really want to know.
 
peter_vod69
Mark Webber took almost all of 2011 to even look like matching Vettel in the same car, and it was all because of tyres. Should he not be in F1?

PS the difference between Maldonado and Senna in the same machine is often around half a second, you really think that couldn't be accounted for by one extra practice session?

Difference here is, even when Webber was so far behind he was still in second. Senna is seventeenth.
 
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Sorry to ask but where is Bottas coming from ? I dont recall seeing him in front in GP2. Does he comes from another racing series ? I'm not trying to be funny I really want to know.

First of all he is Finnish, which I know it sounds silly but it does matter. Secondly, he's allegedly faster and overall better than (Bruno) Senna with 1/10 the F1 experience, though he has more than enough (2 years as a test driver).

And his gp3 career and others from wikipedia.
 
TheCracker
I'd assume it's because Williams uses a 'Friday Driver' whilst Senna sits the session out. Since Maldonado brings in the lion's share of sponsorship money, he gets to do all the practice sessions contractually.

But why can't Senna go out in he's car? If he can, and it would make him better, then why not?
 
But why can't Senna go out in he's car? If he can, and it would make him better, then why not?

Not able to adapt to the car enough? If he cant get used to the car after 2 practise sessions, qualifying and still be slow through the race, P1 isnt really going to make much of a difference.
 
First of all he is Finnish, which I know it sounds silly but it does matter. Secondly, he's allegedly faster and overall better than (Bruno) Senna with 1/10 the F1 experience, though he has more than enough (2 years as a test driver).

And his gp3 career and others from wikipedia.

So umm for you a prodigies is someone winning the GP3 series and doing no race in 2012 ? Well it's far from it for me, otherwise lot of drivers would be prodigies. Sure he did some and I insist on the word some, good session with Williams but that's about it. He got everything to prove still, especially during racing where F1 is so different from any other racing series and where you actually have some sort of pressure not like when you're driving as a 3rd drivers for a team.

Beside not racing for one year is a big disadvantage for me.

I dont have anything against him dont get me wrong it's just that I think that sometimes people are going too fast.
 
Isn't that the whole point of hiring a "rookie"? Not all drivers are f1 world champs, and williams, sauber and the rest simply can't hire them.

Some good session? He's on almost all first practices and is a stable part of the team.

Also in current f1 it is more subtle to detect which are the overall best drivers than before, as it's impossible for them to win races unless some miracle happens. With that said, hulkenberg and perez are among the top5 of the season yet no one mentions them in comparison with the rest (perez was no one last year), just like what happened with Alonso on his first season (only noticed by schumacher, on a time it was like saying ....nk impresses him the most)
 
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Has anyone mentioned Luciano Bachetta? He's just got his super licence and tested for Williams. I know that was part of his prize for winning in F2, but still.
 
I'm a fan of Bruno's but I really don't think anyone honestly considers his 2012 season a great one. I doubt he's really got any chance at any seat next year based on results.
I think its pretty clear that losing FP1 sessions or not, Bruno isn't up to scratch this year. At the race weekends where he did get FP1 track time, he didn't perform any better. So there isn't much proof that FP1 is to blame for anything.
Sure not having FP1 doesn't help..but it doesn't excuse poor performance.

Pretty much Bruno's only good performances this year were Malaysia, China and Hungary. Everywhere else he has been consistently much slower than his teammate.

Bottas is very clearly the chosen driver with the only barrier being money. Otherwise why waste all those Friday sessions on him?


Why is everyone naming every driver to ever test any F1 car as a possible replacement? Teams regularly give out tests to drivers not only to gather what little data they can, practice pit stops, perform straight-line tests, etc etc but also to get a bit more sponsorship money from drivers willing to pay for the privilege.

Susie Stoddart Wolff basically got the test for publicity reasons - the same as di Villota. I don't think she even passes the requirements for a Super License!

F2 has always awarded a F1 test with Williams to the champion. How many have actually become F1 drivers? ;)

Half of the Indycar field have at some point tested for an F1 team - how many of them have raced in F1?
 
Ardius
F2 has always awarded a F1 test with Williams to the champion. How many have actually become F1 drivers? ;)

I never suggested that he was going to take the seat, just throwing another name out there for a future possibility. If anyone is going to race in F1 in the future then surely its the winner of the F2 championship.
 
Isn't that the whole point of hiring a "rookie"? Not all drivers are f1 world champs, and williams, sauber and the rest simply can't hire them.

Some good session? He's on almost all first practices and is a stable part of the team.

Also in current f1 it is more subtle to detect which are the overall best drivers than before, as it's impossible for them to win races unless some miracle happens. With that said, hulkenberg and perez are among the top5 of the season yet no one mentions them in comparison with the rest (perez was no one last year), just like what happened with Alonso on his first season (only noticed by schumacher, on a time it was like saying ....nk impresses him the most)

I'm not questioning his ability again, I'm questionning the fact that you make it sound like he's a superstar when he actually have prove nothing yet. He met the requierement to be in F1 (winning a lesser formula championship) but that's about it.
 
If anyone is going to race in F1 in the future then surely its the winner of the F2 championship.
F2 isn't as great as the FIA wanted it to be, its on pace (slower?) than WSR 3.5 cars and much slower than GP2.

So GP2 remains as the main F1 feeder series.
 
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