The 20 tracks issue is really bugging me

A location is a very broad term, it can be as specific as turn 4 on Fuji all the way to Earth and beyond.
 
speedfreak69
I don't understand how many of you are still baffled by this :confused:
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Because hope dies last. There's a small chance it means 70 entirely different tracks (not different versions) and we cling to that hope as if it was our life in the line :lol:
 
Justin
A location is a very broad term, it can be as specific as turn 4 on Fuji all the way to Earth and beyond.
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I know what you mean, generally it can be anything from a cavity in your tooth to the milky way, but in the context it's being used and judging from the past GT games, I'd say the meaning is pretty specific and is pointing to exactly what I've said. I can see some of you irrationally hold some high(too) hopes, but everything considered, I think it is going to be precisely that,20 locations,70 tracks. ...maybe just a few more perhaps,but that's it.;)
 
I don't if anyone else has a similar theory but here's mine...

20 LOCATIONS

These will be ciruits based on real locations but fictional tracks (apart from monaco).

1. Tokyo
2. London
3. New York
4. Seoul
5. Hong Kong
6. Paris
7. Seattle
8. Eiger
9. El Capitan
10. Cote d'azur (Monaco)
11. Citti d'Aria

etc.


70 VARIATIONS

These will be real and fictional circuits, but each layout be it reverse or short configuration counts towards the 70 total figure.

1. Suzuka (Full)
2. Suzuka (East)
3. Suzuka (West)
4. Fuji 80's
5. Fuji 2005
6. Fuji 2005 GT
7. Grand Valley Speedway (Full)
8. Grand Valley Speedway (Reverse)
9. Grand Valley Speedway (East)
10. Nürburgring Nordschleife
11. Tsukuba
12. Tsukuba (Reverse)
13. Twin Ring Motegi (Full)
14. Twin Ring Motegi (East)
15. Twin Ring Motegi (West)
16. Laguna Seca
17. Indianapolis (Oval)
18. Indianapolis (Road Course)
19. Daytona (Oval)
20. Daytona (Road Course)

etc.
 
Like has already been said earlier, I believe a location will be 'The Alps', and then we'll have four or five tracks there - a 10 mile mountain pass, a 'loop' track, and a few point-to-point tracks. Then with 'Japan' as a location we'll have Suzuka (Full, East etc) and Fuji (80s, 2000, reverse, etc).
 
Mubble
Like has already been said earlier, I believe a location will be 'The Alps', and then we'll have four or five tracks there - a 10 mile mountain pass, a 'loop' track, and a few point-to-point tracks. Then with 'Japan' as a location we'll have Suzuka (Full, East etc) and Fuji (80s, 2000, reverse, etc).
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I still think that makes the most sense. But there are so many interviews and whatnot saying otherwise.
 
I reckon the locations, would go like this America --> Indiana --> Speedway --> Indianapolis Speedway.
Something i pondered about is if the 20 locations & the 70 tracks are for the GT championship & Nascar only.Would there be enough gb's for the WRC tracks ?.

The location is Speedway, & the track is obviously Indianapolis Speedway.
 
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Just like everybody here, I was spending my time playing GT5P while waiting for GT5. Then I suddenly took a look at the world map you see when you return to the main menu. I saw the locations and I recalled the 20 locations mentioned by PD.

After writing all the locations down I came to a positively shocking conclusion; the map contains 21 locations!

Since it takes very little effort to add some other locations I figured these specific locations are there for a reason; they will be in GT5.

These are the 21 locations:

- Le Mans
- Silverstone
- Zolder
- Magny Cours
- Motegi
- Estoril
- Monte Carlo
- Suzuka
- Jerez
- Nürburg
- Sonoma (Infineon Raceway)
- Sjanghai
- Tsukuba
- Daytona Beach
- Imola
- Hockenheim
- Spa Franchorchamps
- Monza
- Monterey (Laguna Seca Raceway)
- Brands Hatch
- Fuji

Ofcourse all the non existing circuits don't have any real locations, so they didn't add them to their locations.

If this is true, and I'm quite positive it is, the above list will be a big part of the GT5 tracklist and I would be very glad because we if so, we will be able to play with about 4 times as many real circuits as in GT4!
 
nonetheless, i think Rens10 is on the right track.

Give or take, if you imagine the GT "word map" then you have 20 'locations' (ie probably Countries) that you can click on, then when you click on these 20 locations, tracks from those locations will come up. ie- England>silverstone, london or Italy>Monza, Imola

i really hope this is the case
 
*Looks in PC's GTR2/rFactor folder
*Opens up the 'Locations' folder
*Sees folders with names of tracks, not countries
 
Earth
*Looks in PC's GTR2/rFactor folder
*Opens up the 'Locations' folder
*Sees folders with names of tracks, not countries
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That would be a very valid point if this was GTR2 or RFactor, but the game in mind is Gran Turismo 5.
 
For example you don't go out of the country, what would you type in the satnav to find the place you want to go to ? ( not just the area code & city/town ).
 
Smoke&Slide
For example you don't go out of the country, what would you type in the satnav to find the place you want to go to ? ( not just the area code & city/town ).
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Still, a location is a very vague term, it can mean almost anything. Hopefully this will get sorted out in the next few months as info is starting to get released.
 
That's a nice looking track list. Combine that with the PD original tracks and I'd be very content for quite some time. Finger crossed that you're right, especially for Spa. $$$
 
I think it'll be like this (sorry if i'm stealing someone's idea):

Short example:

Location:

Germany
U.S.A
Belgium
Japan

Track:
Nurburgring Nordschleife
Nurburgring GP Strecke
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
Infineon Sports Car Course
Indianapolis
(All nascar tracks...)
Zolder
Spa
Fuji 2005 GT
Fuji 90's
Fuji 80's
Suzuka

Only problem is that...20 countries seems a bit too much for me :confused:. Any ideas?
 
Rens10
Just like everybody here, I was spending my time playing GT5P while waiting for GT5. Then I suddenly took a look at the world map you see when you return to the main menu. I saw the locations and I recalled the 20 locations mentioned by PD.

After writing all the locations down I came to a positively shocking conclusion; the map contains 21 locations!

Since it takes very little effort to add some other locations I figured these specific locations are there for a reason; they will be in GT5.

These are the 21 locations:

- Le Mans
- Silverstone
- Zolder
- Magny Cours
- Motegi
- Estoril
- Monte Carlo
- Suzuka
- Jerez
- Nürburg
- Sonoma (Infineon Raceway)
- Sjanghai
- Tsukuba
- Daytona Beach
- Imola
- Hockenheim
- Spa Franchorchamps
- Monza
- Monterey (Laguna Seca Raceway)
- Brands Hatch
- Fuji

Ofcourse all the non existing circuits don't have any real locations, so they didn't add them to their locations.

If this is true, and I'm quite positive it is, the above list will be a big part of the GT5 tracklist and I would be very glad because we if so, we will be able to play with about 4 times as many real circuits as in GT4!
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I like this idea, but what about London? And the top gear circuit,and eiger? would that not bring it up to 24 locations BEFORE GTs made up tracks?

Why cant they just say in an interview "there will be xx TRACKS,with most tracks featuring more than 1 variation"

I dont think the TG track will have a "reverse" or "short circuit" (even though TG have used a short circuit once or twice) but the likes of Fuji will have many variations

I hope they feature the nurburg GP circuit too instead of just the green hell, PGR has about 4 variations at nurburg
 
CarBastard
Only problem is that...20 countries seems a bit too much for me :confused:. Any ideas?
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20 countries? Lets see (from previous GTs)...

1.Japan
2.Korea
3.Hong Kong SAR (China)
4.United States
5.France
6.Italia
7.UK
8.Switzerland
9.Germany
10.Spain
11.Monaco
12.French Polynesia

You could count GT originals as 1 location or you could not. Still, tracks in 8 new countries isnt out of the question. Belgium (Zolder or Spa) and Malaysia obviously would come to mind as possible new locations for PD. Also, Portugal (Estoril, Algarve), Czechy, Brasil, Netherlands (Zandvoort, Assen), Argentina, Singapore, Canada, Scandinavia (Rally), Finland (Rally), Mainland China, Australia, Austria, South Africa, Mexico, Turkiye etc. would be reasonable locations to find new tracks in a GT game. They could even build street circuits in countries like Russia (Moskva or Leningrad) or Greece (Athens). They have had 5 years.
 
How about this 1 location from 20,(eg) Japan=20 tracks


http://www.motoracing-japan.com/circuit/index.html


EAST Japan
01 Hokkaido Speed Park
02 Tokachi International Speedway
03 Sendai Hi-Land Raceway
04 Sportsland SUGO
05 Ebisu Circuit
06 Nihonkai Maze Circuit
07 Nasu Motor Sports Land
08 Twin Ring Motegi
09 Tsukuba Circuit
10 Fuji International Speedway


WEST Japan
11 Suzuka International Circuit
12 Inagawa Circuit
13 Central Circuit
14 Nakayama Circuit
15 Okayama International Circuit
16 Mine Circuit ... Closed
17 Asan Circuit
18 Auto Polis International Racing Course
19 Sports & Safety Riding Field SPA Naoiri
20 Honda Safety & Riding Plaza Kyushu
 
Scoop2004
I like this idea, but what about London? And the top gear circuit,and eiger? would that not bring it up to 24 locations BEFORE GTs made up tracks?

Why cant they just say in an interview "there will be xx TRACKS,with most tracks featuring more than 1 variation"

I dont think the TG track will have a "reverse" or "short circuit" (even though TG have used a short circuit once or twice) but the likes of Fuji will have many variations

I hope they feature the nurburg GP circuit too instead of just the green hell, PGR has about 4 variations at nurburg
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Didn't they say more than 20 locations?

You're right about London, but the Top Gear Test Track is close to London, If you consider that for other 'locations', then you will get a number closer to 20.

I'm not sure about my interpretation, but it seems so obvious seen as they specifically chose those 21 locations while it's so easy to add other circuits on a map if it doesn't mean anything.

Hopefully PD will show us pictures of a totally new circuit like Spa or Monza!
 
SagarisGTB
20 countries? Lets see (from previous GTs)...

1.Japan
2.Korea
3.Hong Kong SAR (China)
4.United States
5.France
6.Italia
7.UK
8.Switzerland
9.Germany
10.Spain
11.Monaco
12.French Polynesia

You could count GT originals as 1 location or you could not. Still, tracks in 8 new countries isnt out of the question. Belgium (Zolder or Spa) and Malaysia obviously would come to mind as possible new locations for PD. Also, Portugal (Estoril, Algarve), Czechy, Brasil, Netherlands (Zandvoort, Assen), Argentina, Singapore, Canada, Scandinavia (Rally), Finland (Rally), Mainland China, Australia, Austria, South Africa, Mexico, Turkiye etc. would be reasonable locations to find new tracks in a GT game. They could even build street circuits in countries like Russia (Moskva or Leningrad) or Greece (Athens). They have had 5 years.
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That makes my idea somehow possible, thanks 👍.
 
Believe me, Johnny... your international region (Latin America) is one of many that has yet to be represented in a GT game. Others include (but not limited to) Canada, Australia, and Scandinavia. Curious ones would include South Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia.
 
If you watch the IGN video where Kaz says, "20 locations, and 70 types of courses within these locations," he makes a very broad, sweeping gesture with his hand when he says "locations." Of course, it's not definitive, but this makes me think "locations" means something large and/or general like countries or regions, such as Southeast United States, rather than a specific place like Laguna Seca. At least, if I was talking about a specific place like Silverstone, I would've made an entirely different gesture than the one he made. :P Unfortunately, IGN cut back to trailer footage after that, so you can't read his body language for "70 types of courses within these locations." Also, the phrasing of that entire sentence just makes me think he's talking about 70(ish) tracks spread across 20 areas of the world.

Also, "20 tracks with 70 variations" just doesn't make very much sense to me. GT4 had 51 variations of 40 tracks, or about 1.25 variations per track. Jumping to 3.5 variations per track just seems highly unlikely, as GT has never had anything close to that. That's around triple the normal number of variations for all previous GT games. Most tracks in GT don't have any variations at all, much less an average of more than three. Yes, T10 has ratios like that with Forza, but PD isn't T10 and this isn't Forza. PD have never had numerous variations per track, and they don't count reverse runs as a "variation."

I expect to see 50-60 tracks, with a total of 70+ layouts, not counting reverse runs, meaning each "location" will be home to 2-4 tracks. Those numbers are far more in line with the numbers PD have given us in the past.
 
serversurfer
If you watch the IGN video where Kaz says, "20 locations, and 70 types of courses within these locations," he makes a very broad, sweeping gesture with his hand when he says "locations." Of course, it's not definitive, but this makes me think "locations" means something large and/or general like countries or regions, such as Southeast United States, rather than a specific place like Laguna Seca. At least, if I was talking about a specific place like Silverstone, I would've made an entirely different gesture than the one he made. :P Unfortunately, IGN cut back to trailer footage after that, so you can't read his body language for "70 types of courses within these locations." Also, the phrasing of that entire sentence just makes me think he's talking about 70(ish) tracks spread across 20 areas of the world.

Also, "20 tracks with 70 variations" just doesn't make very much sense to me. GT4 had 51 variations of 40 tracks, or about 1.25 variations per track. Jumping to 3.5 variations per track just seems highly unlikely, as GT has never had anything close to that. That's around triple the normal number of variations for all previous GT games. Most tracks in GT don't have any variations at all, much less an average of more than three. Yes, T10 has ratios like that with Forza, but PD isn't T10 and this isn't Forza. PD have never had numerous variations per track, and they don't count reverse runs as a "variation."

I expect to see 50-60 tracks, with a total of 70+ layouts, not counting reverse runs, meaning each "location" will be home to 2-4 tracks. Those numbers are far more in line with the numbers PD have given us in the past.
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Thats what i mean, what i want, and what i'm sure we'll get for GT5 👍:dopey:.
 

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