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[Lethalchem]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

No its not slow! It will be a Slomaro once I get my hands on a TT Supra as a gift! But I really love how your Camaro looks with those Z06 rims! I want those on my Z28 too.

Thanks for the compliments. 👍

As for your current ride, depending on the mods of the Supra and your Camaro, you can still be faster with your Z.

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

Thanks for the compliments. 👍

As for your current ride, depending on the mods of the Supra and your Camaro, you can still be faster with your Z.

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

No way! The Supra is so sexy that I just have to BABY and SPOIL IT! 👍

BACK TO TOPIC!

Although this kind of car is probably not considered stock, I would like to say that ALL Funny Cars are the absolute GOD of all best sounding automotive engines!

 

[Azuremen]

I would say my MR2 is still better sounding, but the engine gave up the ghost cause of oil pressure issues... pretty much shot at this point...

 

[supra dupra son]

the best is a boxer

 

[Imprezed]

boxer 4 for sure, so very unique .... though I dont mind the straight 6's folowed by 8's.

 

[Kungfujerry]

Does anyone know how a W8 or W12 sounds?

 

[Lipton]

Yup... Porsche has a really raw sound, especially the older ones...

*Edit: The boxer 6's, that is...*


But... There is one car that sounds like something from another world.

The BRM V16 (40's - 50's).

A V16 engine at 1.496 liter / 91.3 cu in...


Just shut up and listen: http://www.f1-fansite.com/sound/Brm_v16.mp3


Now... If yer still alive and/or havent had a sexual experience, yer NOT a true motorhead...

 

[GameBoyFX]

Thanks for the compliments. 👍

As for your current ride, depending on the mods of the Supra and your Camaro, you can still be faster with your Z.

I must agree, there is a turbo kit for the Z-28 that gives it +130 hp and +140 Torq

 

[Emohawk]

I must agree, there is a turbo kit for the Z-28 that gives it +130 hp and +140 Torq

Uh, did you get those numbers right? That sounds a little... off.
Turbocharged Z-28: 130/140
My 20y old Supra: 150/170

Yup... Porsche has a really raw sound, especially the older ones...

*Edit: The boxer 6's, that is...*


But... There is one car that sounds like something from another world.

The BRM V16 (40's - 50's).

A V16 engine at 1.496 liter / 91.3 cu in...


Just shut up and listen: http://www.f1-fansite.com/sound/Brm_v16.mp3


Now... If yer still alive and/or havent had a sexual experience, yer NOT a true motorhead...

Wow. Thats... wierd.
I still vote inline 6. Either my car with the muffler rusted off or Seamus and his full 2.5" system and cold air intake
I'm biased

 

[iceburns288]

He means it adds 130/140.

That BRM sounds INSANE. I want one. Now.

The flat-12s from the 80s Ferraris sound insane too. Ferrari carb'd V12s...

 

[Lethalchem]

I must agree, there is a turbo kit for the Z-28 that gives it +130 hp and +140 Torq

You don't even have to go that far. Exhaust, intake, cam, and a little juice and you're fine against many of them. You can do it without the N20 so long as the Supra isn't too modded. Supras can be damn fast, but they have to have a bunch of money sunk into them. Not going to happen on stock turbo's. I think they're limited to 450rwhp on the stock turbos but I'm not sure exactly. The BLOCK can handle an amazing amount though, so it always boils down to who's got the most money to burn. I havn't seen any modded street Supra's run very well around here unless it's on the freeway. They don't seem to like racing from a dig. Wonder why?

 

[GameBoyFX]

Ya, I always think of camaros as cheap horsepower

 

[Lethalchem]

Ya, I always think of camaros as cheap horsepower

I didn't know there were "types" of horsepower. Does 400 units of expensive horsepower make you faster than 400 units of cheap horsepower?

 

[Duke]

I didn't know there were "types" of horsepower. Does 400 units of expensive horsepower make you faster than 400 units of cheap horsepower?

No, but they're better horsepower because they're not American.

 

[Lethalchem]

No, but they're better horsepower because they're not American.

Ohhhh...is that how it works? I've been so sheltered.

 

[TheCracker]

I didn't know there were "types" of horsepower. Does 400 units of expensive horsepower make you faster than 400 units of cheap horsepower?

Yes - the 'cheep' American 400bhp is usually found in something that can't really handle the power or do anything useful with it apart from 'going-fast-in-a-straight-line'.

Your Euro 400bhp, on the other hand, is always included with a capable chassis.

 

[slimer90210]

I must agree, there is a turbo kit for the Z-28 that gives it +130 hp and +140 Torq

Speaking of turbo kits for Cameros, take a look at this one....

http://www.bankspower.com/twin-turbo-products.cfm
http://www.bankspower.com/twin-turbo-system.cfm
http://www.bankspower.com/twin-turbo-engine.cfm

If you build a good turbo engine (crank, rods, pistons, pins, cam, valves, etc...) it can produce 1100 hp in a 350. My friend and I installed one on his Buick Regal (it has a Chevy SB 383 stroker built for turbos) and it is the wildest this I have ever ridden in.

As for Camaro handling I suggest you look here...

http://www.hotchkis.net/cgi-bin/EDC...tegory&category=Shop by Make;Chevrolet;Camaro

Hotchkis has been making quality performance suspentions for American cars for years, and they are very good at what they do. Again My friend's Buick has a Hotchkis suspention, it was relativly easy to install and works great for cornering and fairly well for drag racing.

With these mods, a drive line to handle the new power, and good set of tires you can turn your Camaro into a true road warrior.

Ya, I always think of camaros as cheap horsepower

Cheap horsepower is the best kind. Again using my friend's Buick as an example:
He bought the car for $1200
He bought a driveline donor car (a rolled and rusty 78 El Camino with a 350/TH400/12Bolt) for $100
Upgraded engine to a 383 ready for turbos for $1300
Banks Twin-Turbo kit and turbo related parts $2500
Upgraded the tranny to a manual valve train and heavy duty internals for $400
Upgraded the rear end with strange internals for $400
Hotchkis suspention $2100
Exhast system $200
Tires $300
Other details $1500
Total $10000

Thats $10000.00 for a car that will stand up to almost any sports car on the planet.
All prices used come from my friend, I have not checked them for accuracy I just took his work for them. I should also point out that we did almost all of the work ourselves, except for the tranny, so their was no exspence for labor or installation of the parts. And we either owned or could borrow all the tools needed so there was no cost for tools.

 

[Lethalchem]

Yes - the 'cheep' American 400bhp is usually found in something that can't really handle the power or do anything useful with it apart from 'going-fast-in-a-straight-line'.

Your Euro 400bhp, on the other hand, is always included with a capable chassis.

First off (and I've said this before about the differences in performance cars in various countries), America builds 400hp cars that everyone can own, other countries build them where only the minority can afford them. I'd rather go to MY garage and DRIVE MY 400hp car, than go over to the "rich" neighborhood and brag about WATCHING someone else drive THEIR 400hp car. Good call.

Secondly (hmmm, I've said this before as well...), the handling performance capabilities of well developed cars have a difficult time being implemented to their full extent on the street. Tracks that are built for it? Sure. But on the average streets we drive on? Nope, you're not going to be able to see much of an advantage. Horsepower, on the other hand, can be enjoyed anywhere at any time. Again, I'd rather enjoy my horsepower on a daily basis anywhere and everywhere, than have to wait for track events or "that one cool turn down by the EZ Mart" to have fun with the "superior handling". 👎

In fact, I think we've all seen the Video of the Motorsport Elise racing against a Corvette on the Ring. The Lotus is left sucking wind. So in summary, you can keep your "expensive (re: useless)" horsepower. I'm enjoying mine just fine, thanks.

 

[TheCracker]

Some people take comments too seriously around here!

...but i have to say that whilst you can enjoy all your abundant horsepower easily on your empty, wide, straight US roads, with seemingly few 'challenging' corners - over here in Europe our roads are anything but empty, wide or straight and we have an abundance of challenging corners (my daily commute to work has plenty - and thats straight through one of britains largest cities!) so handling is much more important. This is why britains 'petrolheaded' youth yern for hot-hatchs, elises, caterhams, etc with 180bhp or less rather than 400bhp beasts that wouldn't know a corner if the dictionary definition was taped to its windscreen. Unless your 400bhp is surounded by Munich's, Stuttgart's, Hethal's or Blackpools finest you are going to be 'owned' by Grandma in her Kia shopping trolley on our roads.

GM tried about 5-10 years ago to sell the Camaro and Corvette in the UK and although they were very competitively priced and heavily advertised - they sold no more than a handful.

 

[RacyBacy]

GM tried about 5-10 years ago to sell the Camaro and Corvette in the UK and although they were very competitively priced and heavily advertised - they sold no more than a handful.

That's also because we like half decent build quality

 

[TheCracker]

...and because our petrol costs 4 times as much.

 

[Lethalchem]

Some people take comments too seriously around here!

...but i have to say that whilst you can enjoy all your abundant horsepower easily on your empty, wide, straight US roads, with seemingly few 'challenging' corners - over here in Europe our roads are anything but empty, wide or straight and we have an abundance of challenging corners (my daily commute to work has plenty - and thats straight through one of britains largest cities!) so handling is much more important. This is why britains 'petrolheaded' youth yern for hot-hatchs, elises, caterhams, etc with 180bhp or less rather than 400bhp beasts that wouldn't know a corner if the dictionary definition was taped to its windscreen. Unless your 400bhp is surounded by Munich's, Stuttgart's, Hethal's or Blackpools finest you are going to be 'owned' by Grandma in her Kia shopping trolley on our roads.

GM tried about 5-10 years ago to sell the Camaro and Corvette in the UK and although they were very competitively priced and heavily advertised - they sold no more than a handful.

I've got just as many "smilies" in my post as yours, I'm no more serious about the topic than you are. Just disagreeing with you, that's all.

By your own statement, the US built cars do their jobs just fine on roads they were intended to be driven on (go figure). I hardly think it's valid to put them down for doing their job. If you want to complain, perhaps you should direct it towards whoever built your congested, narrow, bottled-up roads where only a 180hp compact can be useful.

Also, I'd love to test the Grandma's Kia theory some day as well. I think the fuel prices have more of an impact on sales than quality. Ever seen a Mini without an oil leak? I know Jaguar was the very model of reliability for years as well, eh?

 

[TheCracker]

By your own statement, the US built cars do their jobs just fine on roads they were intended to be driven on (go figure). I hardly think it's valid to put them down for doing their job. If you want to complain, perhaps you should direct it towards whoever built your congested, narrow, bottled-up roads where only a 180hp compact can be useful.

All i was saying is that whilst your cars and their relative specifications work on your roads, they don't on ours. Where as our cars seem to sell quite well in America.

Also, I'd love to test the Grandma's Kia theory some day as well. I think the fuel prices have more of an impact on sales than quality. Ever seen a Mini without an oil leak? I know Jaguar was the very model of reliability for years as well, eh?

I used to know a guy with some sort of 70's Trans-am, and another with a late 70's Vette - they both went pretty well in a straight line, and of course sounded great, but when driven in our local 'testing ground' (the Peak District National Park) they couldn't keep up with a Peugeot 306 Diesel! - Now, i know a grandma's Kia isn't a mighty performance car like the 1.9ltr Diesel Pug but you get my point.

 

[nitro_2005]

i would say the v16 engine which will be in the Bugatti Veyron 16.4. that should make a PHENOMENAL noise!!!

 

[Lethalchem]

All i was saying is that whilst your cars and their relative specifications work on your roads, they don't on ours. Where as our cars seem to sell quite well in America.

Which ones would those be? I'm sure there's plenty of people here who want a beater to get to the grocery store in I guess.

I used to know a guy with some sort of 70's Trans-am, and another with a late 70's Vette - they both went pretty well in a straight line, and of course sounded great, but when driven in our local 'testing ground' (the Peak District National Park) they couldn't keep up with a Peugeot 306 Diesel! - Now, i know a grandma's Kia isn't a mighty performance car like the 1.9ltr Diesel Pug but you get my point.

Yes, I get your point. Your cars handle better than 1970's technology. Congratulations.....

 

[TheCracker]

i would say the v16 engine which will be in the Bugatti Veyron 16.4. that should make a PHENOMENAL noise!!!

The VW group are incapable of/allergic to making a decent sounding engine. They have a whole team of highly qualified enginners who spend millions reasearching really dull engine notes. The 5cyl Audi Quattro engine must have really anoyed them sounding as good as it did!

 

[TheCracker]

Which ones would those be? I'm sure there's plenty of people here who want a beater to get to the grocery store in I guess.

BMW, Merc-Benz, Audi, VW, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Land Rover all probably count the US as their biggest markets.

"a beater?"

Yes, I get your point. Your cars handle better than 1970's technology. Congratulations.....

I thought there was no substitute for cubic inches?

 

[Lethalchem]

BMW, Merc-Benz, Audi, VW, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Land Rover all probably count the US as their biggest markets.

Those are all made in the UK? Or are you trying to claim other countries achievements as your own?

I thought there was no substitute for cubic inches?

I never said that. My 500hp car is only 281cubic inches.

That statement is only made in reference to making power anyway. Nice try though.

 

[TheCracker]

Those are all made in the UK? Or are you trying to claim other countries achievements as your own?

I was always talking about US vs Europe anyway

I never said that. My 500hp car is only 281cubic inches.

Thats still 500bhp from a what, 4.6ltr?

I get 210bhp from 1.9ltr without either a turbo or fuel injection.

 

[PublicSecrecy]

Cheap horsepower = getting horsepower by making a giant crappy engine (ala 8.3L V10)
Good/Expensive horsepowe = getting horsepower using ingenuity and technology (ala 3.0L V12 [but thats a little over-the-top] )