I'm speaking of winter tires on cold, dry asphalt bub. She sends both wheels all the way through fourth on snow and ice, hehe. I'm so excited!Torqueless. I can spin in 2nd or 3rd with out much trouble in snow or ice this time of year. I've barely used 1st gear at all since it dropped down to freezing temperatures, has become habit to just put the Spyder straight into second.