The best way I can honestly see F1 bettering its situation in america....

[Pluxtheduck]

I think F1 in the States really killed itself with the '05 fiasco, all Bridgestone had to do was supply tires without branding on them to the teams and a race could have been had,

and if you think F1 is all about putting backsides in bleachers, then you have to ask yourself, "why isn't there a street race in L.A or New York?" as far as I'm aware those are the 2 most densely populated area's of the Country,

Or put the proposed chicane into the final corner to slow the cars down

 

[mustafur]

I don't know that it's necessarily a bad thing that Global Rallycross is the way it is... but then, it's not WRC... and any similar event in the US using open wheel racers won't be F1.

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F1 will not achieve the same level of success in the US that it has elsewhere as long as NASCAR exists. With NASCAR competing for top level drivers and providing big pay to the best ones, all American feeders are focused on NASCAR. And as long as there are no direct feeders for F1 in the US, there'll be no hometown hero for Americans to root for.

Thats the thing, American Racing is Dominated by NASCAR which requires a totally different Skill set compared to F1, and since NASCAR has that Domination of the Market the young drivers that get into racing go through the Oval route which leaves them out of the Circuit options in Europe and the rest of the world.

Australia is in a Similar position however our National series V8 Supercars which would be as popular to Australians as NASCAR is to Americans requires a skill set that can transfer into the European scene and many young drivers come at a Cross roads in their early career of whether they will stay in Australia and go towards the V8s or go to Europe to try the F1 Ladder.

The fact remains they have that option which the Americans don't.

 

[TDZdave]

Or put the proposed chicane into the final corner to slow the cars down

They couldn't do that as it was against the FIA rules, and heaven forbid if there was a serious crash then that alone would have screwed the FIA to the point of no return,

 

[IforceV8]

It might be important to the individual teams, but I am talking about the sport as a whole. Deciding what direction the sport should take based on the commercial interests of teams sounds like a very bad idea to me.

 

[mustafur]

The best decision is always what is best for the sport, Teams have their own agendas.

Indycar would be proof of this when it was controlled by CART(Effectively Teams). Tony George was the mastermind of the split yes, but the writing was on the wall for years before and teams where soo addament to go in their direction that they risk the entire series for it.

You only have to look at what the teams vote for when it comes to Rules to understand how disfunctional and catastrophic it would end up if they where fully in charge.

 

[marco89IT]

all Bridgestone had to do was supply tires without branding on them to the teams and a race could have been had

You're probably ignoring how these things work. A huge company helping its fiercest and most direct rival? Not even thinkable.
We have to keep in mind that we're talking about sales and revenues from basically the whole world, not a "simple" F1 race or season. One of the reasons why Bridgestone pulled out from F1 was because there wasn't competition from other tire suppliers, that's how important is to beat the competition at those levels in terms of marketing. The competition making a complete mess all by itself like Michelin did is the best case scenario.
Bridgestone bosses were probably uncorking champagne bottles one after the other that day.

 

[TDZdave]

You're probably ignoring how these things work. A huge company helping its fiercest and most direct rival? Not even thinkable.
We have to keep in mind that we're talking about sales and revenues from basically the whole world, not a "simple" F1 race or season. One of the reasons why Bridgestone pulled out from F1 was because there wasn't competition from other tire suppliers, that's how important is to beat the competition at those levels in terms of marketing. The competition making a complete mess all by itself like Michelin did is the best case scenario.
Bridgestone bosses were probably uncorking champagne bottles one after the other that day.

I agree, and that's why Michelin wont come back,

But in the interest of safety it was a simple solution to a problem that shouldn't have been there to begin with.

 

[IforceV8]

The best decision is always what is best for the sport, Teams have their own agendas.

Indycar would be proof of this when it was controlled by CART(Effectively Teams). Tony George was the mastermind of the split yes, but the writing was on the wall for years before and teams where soo addament to go in their direction that they risk the entire series for it.

You only have to look at what the teams vote for when it comes to Rules to understand how disfunctional and catastrophic it would end up if they where fully in charge.

Actually Bill France and the muppet were responsible for the split, the idiot grandson was their mark, buts that is another discussion.

 

[A2K78]

Thats the thing, American Racing is Dominated by NASCAR which requires a totally different Skill set compared to F1, and since NASCAR has that Domination of the Market the young drivers that get into racing go through the Oval route which leaves them out of the Circuit options in Europe and the rest of the world.

Australia is in a Similar position however our National series V8 Supercars which would be as popular to Australians as NASCAR is to Americans requires a skill set that can transfer into the European scene and many young drivers come at a Cross roads in their early career of whether they will stay in Australia and go towards the V8s or go to Europe to try the F1 Ladder.

The fact remains they have that option which the Americans don't.

This is sad butt true...in fact you pretty much vindicated my feeling about how NASCAR have essentially been holding back american talent. At the same it remind me of France's determination to see MotoGP...see AMA.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Those teams already hold a lot of clout in the Strategy Working Group. If the sport starts making decisions based on what will enable them to increase their profile and sell more road cars, they will abuse that position immediately. We have already seen them do it with Manor.

I know everyone likes to believe that the teams are the innocent competitors struggling under the incompetence of the FIA and the pure greed of FOM, but they are not. We have seen them play dirty time and time again, like when they agreed to the blown diffuser ban, then immediately tried to get out if it whilst complaining that everyone else was trying to do the same thing.

 

[IforceV8]

Those teams already hold a lot of clout in the Strategy Working Group. If the sport starts making decisions based on what will enable them to increase their profile and sell more road cars, they will abuse that position immediately. We have already seen them do it with Manor.

I know everyone likes to believe that the teams are the innocent competitors struggling under the incompetence of the FIA and the pure greed of FOM, but they are not. We have seen them play dirty time and time again, like when they agreed to the blown diffuser ban, then immediately tried to get out if it whilst complaining that everyone else was trying to do the same thing.

Irrelevant but ok,whatever floats your boat.

if the teams arent the sport than what is... I guess I will book my ticket to Austin now to go see Bernie wandering around a empty grid,I'm very excited.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

if the teams arent the sport than what is... I guess I will book my ticket to Austin now to go see Bernie wandering around a empty grid,I'm very excited.

I didn't say that. I said that deciding the future of the sport based on the commercial desires of a handful of teams when those teams have a documented history of abusing the rules and their position is a very bad idea. It won't be Formula 1 - it will be an exercise in marketing road cars.

 

[05XR8]

Thing is, the rest of the world say "prawns" and the USA still say "shrimp". Many North Americans forget it is the "new world". Not "The 'new world' order". In their own bubble, many North Americans think Europe is only good for handbags and Bentleys.

F1 has to get musical groups involved. Country bands, Rock bands, Lady Gaga and Hip Hop over the 4 days. They have to sell tickets first.

On another note, when Toyota was in, BMW, Honda. Ferrari and McLaren were winning. I watched those races through DirecTV on Speedvision(Speed Channel). It felt like all of North America were watching the Indy GPs with me. We were watching drivers with character. The turn out for COTA was good, but F1 have since then, lost drivers that were characters.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Thing is, the rest of the world say "prawns" and the USA still say "shrimp". Many North Americans forget it is the "new world". Not "The 'new world' order". In their own bubble, many North Americans think Europe is only good for handbags and Bentleys.

F1 has to get musical groups involved. Country bands, Rock bands, Lady Gaga and Hip Hop over the 4 days. They have to sell tickets first.

On another note, when Toyota was in, BMW, Honda. Ferrari and McLaren were winning. I watched those races through DirecTV on Speedvision(Speed Channel). It felt like all of North America were watching the Indy GPs with me. We were watching drivers with character. The turn out for COTA was good, but F1 have since then, lost drivers that were characters.

They do get american acts involved in concerts, well not F1 directly but the track promoters do for the entertainment before the race. Also...I don't know too many from the U.S that think that way about Europe.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Americans don't tend to care about world wide sports in general. National Hockey League, National Football League, National basketball Association, should give a hint of that.

World Series

Overall it would be good for F1 to be more visible in the American market but I simply don't see it happening.

 

[RACECAR]

This is sad butt true...in fact you pretty much vindicated my feeling about how NASCAR have essentially been holding back american talent. At the same it remind me of France's determination to see MotoGP...see AMA.

Sorry but there has never been a secure way to F1 for Americans even before NASCAR came to be so its hardly NASCAR "Holding back" American Talent. The only open wheel dream most Americans had before was Indy. Besides if that was true, then there wouldn't be any Americans in Sportscar racing (which has several options of entry)

I didn't say that. I said that deciding the future of the sport based on the commercial desires of a handful of teams when those teams have a documented history of abusing the rules and their position is a very bad idea. It won't be Formula 1 - it will be an exercise in marketing road cars.

If we're honest, hasn't that already been going on? (Infiniti Red Bull, Petronas Mercedes F1, Lotus F1).

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If we're honest, hasn't that already been going on? (Infiniti Red Bull, Petronas Mercedes F1, Lotus F1).

There's a big difference between sponsoring or fielding a team for commercial gain, and trying to run the entire sport for marketing purposes first and a sport second.

 

[RACECAR]

There's a big difference between sponsoring or fielding a team for commercial gain, and trying to run the entire sport for marketing purposes first and a sport second.

Point is, those three teams already are in sport with the unashamed intent of Promoting road cars. They basically already making F1 a Marketing exercise (which is what I specifically highlighted from your post).

 

[prisonermonkeys]

They basically already making F1 a Marketing exercise (which is what I specifically highlighted from your post).

You're missing my point - there is a difference between competing in Formula 1 for the marketing benefits, and running the entire sport as a marketing exercise for a few select teans.

 

[SK8RBOI]

I honestly think ther is more to motor sport then F1! People just need to look at the bigger picture!

Why would you need F1 In america? not as if you guys don't have an american equivalent is is?

 

[Furinkazen]

I honestly think ther is more to motor sport then F1! People just need to look at the bigger picture!

Why would you need F1 In america? not as if you guys don't have an american equivalent is is?

Considering Stock Cars, Sports Car, Touring Cars, Go Karts, Lawnmower Racing, Drag Racing, Drifting, Dirt Tracks, Rallying, Hillclib exist, I am fairly sure other motorsports other than F1 (and in my opinion the vast majority way more entertaining than F1) exist.

 

[SK8RBOI]

Considering Stock Cars, Sports Car, Touring Cars, Go Karts, Lawnmower Racing, Drag Racing, Drifting, Dirt Tracks, Rallying, Hillclib exist, I am fairly sure other motorsports other than F1 (and in my opinion the vast majority way more entertaining than F1) exist.

Its blows my mind why so many people are fixated on F1 when ther is so much more to Motorsport then just F1!

 

[05XR8]

Marketing cigarettes and liquor were the mainstays in motor racing. Tobacco is out. Liquor is just about gone(is JW still on McLaren cars?). What else is there to market in F1? I really can't see any North American blowing all their money in F1 and not getting rich from it.

F1 is a road to nowhere in the USA. if there were a bowtie or blue oval or pentastar on the cowls of those cars, it'd be a different story. It seems like the Star Mazda series had a higher following than F1. Come to think of it, there's nothing Playboy about F1. No Class. Nothing exotic about it. It's not Hollywood enough.

 

[MustangManiac]

Considering Stock Cars, Sports Car, Touring Cars, Go Karts, Lawnmower Racing, Drag Racing, Drifting, Dirt Tracks, Rallying, Hillclib exist, I am fairly sure other motorsports other than F1 (and in my opinion the vast majority way more entertaining than F1) exist.

Oh yes, there is plenty of racing here in the USofA, biggest problem is that little of it is shown on the tele. With all the racing the SCCA does alone, one can find a track day event of some sort or another most anywhere in the country during the season, you just have to get off your butt and go 👍

 

[jake2013guy]

1. Having an American-based team ---- check

2. Having an American Driver --- to be determined

3. Having multiple races in the states ---??

4. Moving the season opener to america as oppose to australia

anybody agree?

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Wouldn't be bad
4) No.

 

[RACECAR]

You're missing my point - there is a difference between competing in Formula 1 for the marketing benefits, and running the entire sport as a marketing exercise for a few select teans.

I understand what you're saying, but you're not understanding what I was saying:

I didn't say that. I said that deciding the future of the sport based on the commercial desires of a handful of teams when those teams have a documented history of abusing the rules and their position is a very bad idea. It won't be Formula 1 - it will be an exercise in marketing road cars.

The way you described it, you seem to suggest that it'll only happen should F1 go the direction of being run solely in the interest of Commercial desires and I was simply pointing out that without that, the marketing Exercise for road cars is already happening. That was what I was trying to say: the very outcome you talked about (which I again bolded) is already happening and unsurprisingly, it includes two of the biggest teams in the F1 paddock.

 

[GTPorsche]

Mainstream TV in the USA gets... NASCAR, Indycar, F1, TUSC, MotoGP, Formula E, GRC and AMA Supercross.

That's not nearly close to what other markets get to see.

 

[Legro]

That's not nearly close to what other markets get to see.

Our TV gets F1, and that's it. Only way to see almost anything else is to get Motors TV, which has a good coverage of motorsport or Eurosport, which shows Le Mans 24H and occasionally some other series. Neither of those are common channels in an average household.

 

[SK8RBOI]

BT sport has BSS and other motorsports but I have no odea!

 

[jake2013guy]

Our TV gets F1, and that's it. Only way to see almost anything else is to get Motors TV, which has a good coverage of motorsport or Eurosport, which shows Le Mans 24H and occasionally some other series. Neither of those are common channels in an average household.

In fairness, you can watch Le Mans on http://www.radiolemans.com/ and Eurosport has WTCC.