The Chinese Automotive Market

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GTPlanet, I HAD to come up with a topic like this. In this topic, I want to discuss the Chinese auto market, which is booming pretty much. Companies in China include Geely, Red Flag, and the "controversial" Chery (more on that later in this introduction). I want to open this thread to discuss China's auto market, why it's growing so much, what makes it one of the hottest launching pads for a non-Chinese car company for worldwide success, and such.

In the introduction, I mentioned a sort of "controversial" company. How so? Some say that some of Chery's cars look like rips of other cars. For example, the Chery QQ looks like the Chevy Spark. This station wagon or SUV has a grill like a Chrysler Pacifica. And I think Chrysler may file lawsuits against Chery for that. The QQ looks... cute; the spark looks pretty nice, but just a little dopey. That car with the Pacifica-like grill? Looks more like a Volvo mating with a Chrysler, and mating with a Dodge. Basically, it seems like a Volvo with headlights that look like the latest Subaru Legacy or Dodge Stratus, and a grill similar to a Chrysler. That Red Flag sedan had a pretty long name, so I can't tell you what it is because I forgot. Other than that, I don't think there are many unique Chinese-made cars. Other than that, the Chinese auto market is growing quite well. So, with that said, reply now about the Chinese auto market and the future it may hold.

Allow me to end with a "Did You Know" about China. So...
DID YOU KNOW THAT: "Seven of the ten most polluted cities in the world are in China?" (Source: "The World's Greatest Auto Shows: Beijing," Speed Channel) And if you need to make any monetary of the MSRP of cars in Chinese currency and convert it to your currency, you can click on the new "Monetary Conversions" in my signature to convert from one currency to another.
 
With the Chinese Auto Show being covered, the Chinese are trying to make an impact with their autos. Some autos may make it to the US and even Europe. To me, it may take at least 10 to 15 years for it to catch up to Japan. Or maybe even more than 15 years. And I'm talking about for putting China on the map for auto makers, much less auto giants like GM and Ford and Honda for example.

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I saw it also, they talked about Chinese cars going to the states. They are going to be priced very low. Around 4000-10000 dollar. (source: "The World's Greatest Auto Shows: Beijing," Speed Channel).

Im Chinese, im glad China is taking the Automotive industry to a new level.
 
Yeah, I heard on the local news that someone in Arizona is trying to import Geelys. They showed the mini-Merc, a couple generic-looking sedans, and a strange-looking minitruck.
 
GM is making a large force in the Chinese market. I was able to see some of the trucks that are going to be made for the market over there. I know the Chevy Blazer has been modified for the Chinese market, where it is actually a luxery SUV in China. Which is funny. But the thing that sucks is that China has engine restriction. So the Blazer that is being made for the market over there has a the old 2.6L V6 in them.

They are also putting the Colorado over there, which is slightly skinnier then the US version. I think its one suck ass truck, but thats me. Thats what happens when Izusu is left to design things. Oh well it will sell well in the Asian market.
 
The Chinese seem to be doing pretty well, but it will take some time (at least 1 to 5 more years) for it to even catch up to Korean makes like Hyundai, Kia, and Daewoo for example. Here's my question to all of you. By 2014, meaning 10 years from now, to which level do you think China may surpass with automotive success?

(A) No one (B) Korea (C) Japan (D) It will become a world player
 
Most people in the Automotive industry would say (D). China will become a world player by 10 years from now. Don't underestimate them just yet, China might become as good as Japan is. We don't know, and won't know until 2014!
 
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I'm Chinese, and I HATE the Chinese auto company. Copy catters.
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:lol: The only Chinese auto company that really copy off other company is
Chery. Just give them time. As of now there are only around 10 manufactor at most, wait 10 years after. The Manufactor will grow and learn. There might even be sports car made in China. Imagine a Chinese car that is as fast as a 360 Modena! :)
 
rollazn
:lol: The only Chinese auto company that really copy off other company is
Chery. Just give them time. As of now there are only around 10 manufactor at most, wait 10 years after. The Manufactor will grow and learn. There might even be sports car made in China. Imagine a Chinese car that is as fast as a 360 Modena! :)
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That's true. I'll give them a chance.

How durable are the Chinese cars? And what's their life span? And would it fall apart when you drive it too aggressively? Some stuff that is "Made in China" is a bit cheap.
 
Yeah, my dad always say crap on chinese materials. Although we are chinese :confused:! :lol: Anyways yeah Im not sure on the life span or the reliabilty of the chinese cars. Give them a few years and wait for them to import some of their cars over to the US, and we can see if its reliable or not.

My dad always try to stay away from stuff that are "Made in China" like watches and tools and basically anything. He like top notch stuff but is incredible cheap! :rolleyes:
 
rollazn
Yeah, my dad always say crap on chinese materials. Although we are chinese :confused:! :lol: Anyways yeah Im not sure on the life span or the reliabilty of the chinese cars. Give them a few years and wait for them to import some of their cars over to the US, and we can see if its reliable or not.

My dad always try to stay away from stuff that are "Made in China" like watches and tools and basically anything. He like top notch stuff but is incredible cheap! :rolleyes:
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Well almost half our stuff that we buy is made from China :boggled:
 
When I made that multiple choice, I made it in order. The first choice was that it would be as low in almost every non-performance properties (reliability, ridigity, safety, etc.). I think Korea isn't really a world player when compared to Japan. Korea's interests seem to be more long the lines of "never mind horsepower and performance, we just want to provide cars for those who can't afford world-famous makes." At least, that's what I think. And in terms of Asian automobiles, Japan is king. So it may take longer to surpass Japan. I don't think it's going to happen. It will at least be on par WITH Japan, but I don't think China would reach that level quite yet. They're barely doing well with the cars they have now.

And if they're going to enhance the machines, one of the more respective aspects would be miles per gallon (MPG) and emissions. Because as I heard seven of the ten most polluted cities in the world are in China. So they need to pull something off to make them less polluting. It's going to take some time for China to pull ahead, but I think China will pull it off. Do you?
 
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Korea's interests seem to be more long the lines of "never mind horsepower and performance, we just want to provide cars for those who can't afford world-famous makes."
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Korea may not have performance cars, but they have come a long way in terms of quality and reliability (Remember the Hyundai Excel, Hyundai certainly improved their product).
 
http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2004/beijing/index.php

Based on this site, there are a few Chinese car companies and cars unmentioned. Examples include Wang, Baic, Great Wall, Hatei, Chenghe (pronounced like "cheng-hay"), Guigairo, even a beautifully-styled car whose styling is kind of like the Scion tC (courtesy of Studio X-Gene). By the way, check out the little F1 car Chery made. There's another nice car called the Chana Yangtze River Sturgeon concept car. I'd give mad respect to the Chinese for their designs even if they aren't enough to knock off the big auto makers of the world. I can put it as "at least they're trying." I like some of their designs even if they are "dorky." They kind of have a Euro style with that nice little Asian touch. This especially applies to the little minis. The more full-size machines kind of have Korean touches with some of the sedans. So be sure to take a visit to the site I provided.
 
yeah cherrys are a bunch of bootlegs. 👎
 
Yea, there very underpowered, and that car with the very long name has like 20 letters and numbers in it. That just shows that people can't name cars anymore. Give them about a couple more years and they'll become like Kia, they had bad cars in the beginning using 80's mazda technology, and now there very decent cars.
 
As I said, if China wants to be a world player, the first nation it needs to knock off is its mainland nation to the northeast, the Koreans. To me, don't worry about Japan and America just yet. Korea probably was one real performance car, the Hyundai Tiburon (at least in my view). So the first objective is to go into the sedan, van, and compact markets. Get some success there. Then when you get better, you plan an attack. You plan a challenge to take on some of Japan's best sportscars of today. Examples include the Honda S2000, Mazda RX-8, and the Nissan Silvia. When China gets better, take on the big three of Japan- Toyota, Nissan, and Honda. When cars get to be very well, go from rally racing, to touring cars, then perhaps low-level GT racing as well. And if someone in China has a huge vision to challenge America, Germany, and even Britain, you lash out at these three countries (including Japan) and come up with a supercar. Hey, if Morocco pulled one out of their backsides, so can China.

That's what I think should be the rise to being a world power. But how do you think they'll do in America, saying that they should start at the bottom and not try to rise up too quickly and bite more than they can chew (like some say about Cadillac's LMP program of 2000-2002)?
 
Hiya! :D :O :lol: Meow! (='.'=)

I would like to agree with the others on giving China some time to catch up with other car companies! :O But there is one thing about some of those Chery cars...to me they look very or just plain similar to other cars out there. :O
 
Care to press the issue, Victor Vance? Let's do!

Here's the page the Nissan Teanu is on:
http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2004/beijing/index2.php

If you ask me, it kind of looks like the Inifniti G35 at the front. Back in the rear, it's kind of like a Ford Taurus. As McLaren'sAngel said, China needs to be given some time to work up on making cars that will eventually take on Korea. After Korea, low-level cars in Japan. Afterwards, Japan's best cars. If China is ultimately successful, you take on the world. People, can you imagine a GT500 race car in the JGTC, challenging the battle of Toyota/Nissan/Honda? I tell you, the Japan/China rivalry will intensify and be taken to a new battle field- the race track. Or perhaps China having its 787B, it's Le Mans weapon, and winning. That is, unless the "Audi R18" isn't dominating.

I think the Chana Yangtze Sturgeon concept was styled a little better at the rear, it would be a nice car to have in case I have an international driver's license and want to ride some Chinese muscle.

Chery's New Crossover has touches of Chrysler and even Dodge. The Chery QQ has cues from a car I never even heard of, the Chevrolet Spark. The QQ is "Q-te" (cute). A thing about the website I provided is that you have to be a PAID member of that site to view the pictures. So it kind of sucks if you can't see the pictures in full detail. Anyhow, after second glances you may remember me saying that the concept car by Studio X-Gene looks more like the Scion tC. But if you want to press THIS issue, take a good luck at this car and then the Scion tC. Do they look...

(A) highly similar (B) slightly similar (C) unsimilar at all (D) not sure
 
In 10 - 20 years the Auto industry might have changed compleatly with the alternative engery sources, so any company with a good R o D infrastructure and a bit of luck might become the new leader. Remember money is not the only thing that matters, what matters is how much you can get of what you have. Researching in China is much cheaper then researching in the US...though maybe the best go to the US or west Europe for the higher wages....But I am happy to see more companies in the Auto industry, pushing the competition to a higher level.
 

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