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You guys are still a bit off on some things here...
The Nissan R89C is a Class C1 car from 1989
The Sauber C9-Mercedes is a Class C1 car from 1989
The Mazda 787B is a Group 2 car from 1991
These three cars should all be on par, even though in 1991 Group C was renamed to Groups 1 and 2, they are still roughly the same.
Now in 1994 Group C was eliminated and GT-based cars were allowed back at LeMans (during the Group C days ONLY prototype cars ran the race). The GT-based classes were broken down to GT1 and GT2, with the Prototype categories covering a wide range of names (LMP1, LMP2, WSC, etc).
By 1997, the classes were simplified to LMP, GT1, and GT2. GT1 and GT2 categories required homologation of the car being raced, meaning that there needed to be a street-racing version of the car built before it could be made into a racing car.
In 1997, the cars that raced in GT1 class were:
McLaren F1 GTR
Porsche 911 GT1
Nissan R390
Panoz Esperante GTR-1
Lotus Elise GT1
Lister Storm GTL
The GT2 class competitors were:
Porsche 911 GT2
Chrysler Viper GTS-R
Saleen Mustang RRR
Marcos Mantara LM600
In 1998, the classes remained the same, but this is when the GT1 class became extremely powerful and for the first time a GT-based car won the entire race, beating out the Prototypes
In 1998, GT1 class competitors were:
McLaren F1 GTR
Porsche 911 GT1
Nissan R390
Panoz Esperante GTR-1
Toyota GT-One
Mercedes-Benz CLK-LM
GT2 class was:
Chrysler Viper GTS-R (This was Oreca's first class win, with the red/white/blue Vipers from GT2)
Porsche 911 GT2
Because of this domination of the GT1 class over the prototypes, the rules were changed for 1999, eliminating the old GT1 and GT2 classes and replacing them with our now GTS and GT classes, restricting them in power and requiring much more homologation cars in order to run (so that one-offs like the single street legal Toyota GT-One could no longer be used to get around the rules). Cars equivilant to the previous GT2 category were now on par with the new GTS category, and an even more street based GT category was even less sportier then what had been run before.
However obviously a lot of these companies did not want to give up LeMans, so since their cars were already so similar to Prototype cars with only the slightest bit of street legality, the cars were modified to fit into the LMGTP category, which competed alongside the normal open-cockpit LMP category.
With this the Toyota GT-One moved into LMGTP class, and the CLK-LM was evolved into the CLR. This left the LMGTP class Toyota GT-Ones and CLRs to compete against the brand new Audi R8Cs.
Following Mercedes incident, Toyota's involvement in F1, and Audi's choice of the R8R over the R8C, the LMGTP category laid dormant until 2001 when Bentley built their EXP Speed 8.
Now, for the GT-Ones, the cars that ran in 1998 in the GT1 category was red with the white streaks along its body. The GT-Ones from 1999 in LMGTP category are red with the white triangle on its nose.
This means the GT-One in GT3 and GT4 is the LMGTP car, not the GT1.
As a bit of trivia, when the GT-One ran in LMGTP class in 1999, the car's name technically was NOT GT-One, it was "TS020". This is because back in the 80s Toyota ran a car in the equivilant of the LMGTP class back then called the "TS010". The TS stands for Toyota Sportscar, meaning it's implied as a Prototype car. So it makes it easier to remember which class the car was in. GT-One was a GT1, TS020 was a Sportscar LMGTP.
The Nissan R89C is a Class C1 car from 1989
The Sauber C9-Mercedes is a Class C1 car from 1989
The Mazda 787B is a Group 2 car from 1991
These three cars should all be on par, even though in 1991 Group C was renamed to Groups 1 and 2, they are still roughly the same.
Now in 1994 Group C was eliminated and GT-based cars were allowed back at LeMans (during the Group C days ONLY prototype cars ran the race). The GT-based classes were broken down to GT1 and GT2, with the Prototype categories covering a wide range of names (LMP1, LMP2, WSC, etc).
By 1997, the classes were simplified to LMP, GT1, and GT2. GT1 and GT2 categories required homologation of the car being raced, meaning that there needed to be a street-racing version of the car built before it could be made into a racing car.
In 1997, the cars that raced in GT1 class were:
McLaren F1 GTR
Porsche 911 GT1
Nissan R390
Panoz Esperante GTR-1
Lotus Elise GT1
Lister Storm GTL
The GT2 class competitors were:
Porsche 911 GT2
Chrysler Viper GTS-R
Saleen Mustang RRR
Marcos Mantara LM600
In 1998, the classes remained the same, but this is when the GT1 class became extremely powerful and for the first time a GT-based car won the entire race, beating out the Prototypes
In 1998, GT1 class competitors were:
McLaren F1 GTR
Porsche 911 GT1
Nissan R390
Panoz Esperante GTR-1
Toyota GT-One
Mercedes-Benz CLK-LM
GT2 class was:
Chrysler Viper GTS-R (This was Oreca's first class win, with the red/white/blue Vipers from GT2)
Porsche 911 GT2
Because of this domination of the GT1 class over the prototypes, the rules were changed for 1999, eliminating the old GT1 and GT2 classes and replacing them with our now GTS and GT classes, restricting them in power and requiring much more homologation cars in order to run (so that one-offs like the single street legal Toyota GT-One could no longer be used to get around the rules). Cars equivilant to the previous GT2 category were now on par with the new GTS category, and an even more street based GT category was even less sportier then what had been run before.
However obviously a lot of these companies did not want to give up LeMans, so since their cars were already so similar to Prototype cars with only the slightest bit of street legality, the cars were modified to fit into the LMGTP category, which competed alongside the normal open-cockpit LMP category.
With this the Toyota GT-One moved into LMGTP class, and the CLK-LM was evolved into the CLR. This left the LMGTP class Toyota GT-Ones and CLRs to compete against the brand new Audi R8Cs.
Following Mercedes incident, Toyota's involvement in F1, and Audi's choice of the R8R over the R8C, the LMGTP category laid dormant until 2001 when Bentley built their EXP Speed 8.
Now, for the GT-Ones, the cars that ran in 1998 in the GT1 category was red with the white streaks along its body. The GT-Ones from 1999 in LMGTP category are red with the white triangle on its nose.
This means the GT-One in GT3 and GT4 is the LMGTP car, not the GT1.
As a bit of trivia, when the GT-One ran in LMGTP class in 1999, the car's name technically was NOT GT-One, it was "TS020". This is because back in the 80s Toyota ran a car in the equivilant of the LMGTP class back then called the "TS010". The TS stands for Toyota Sportscar, meaning it's implied as a Prototype car. So it makes it easier to remember which class the car was in. GT-One was a GT1, TS020 was a Sportscar LMGTP.
I´m amased off your knowingness!!
I mean every race is 1hr!
Enough talk about who's right or wrong I just want to know if it's in the friggin game!? (I know, I know... no one knows and I'll find out when the game gets here).
the BMW V12 LMR, Le Mans Racer I guess.
