The dominant car in GT5

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dave_sz
I'm laughing at the zr1 being in the highest tier while the SLR is in the lowest. Someone is biased.
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Lol, just figure out which one is faster: 599GTB Fiorano or SLR Mclaren? Both of them are Grand Tourers which means they aren't pure performance cars, difference is: Ferrari handles better and accelerates faster ( according to reviews, i'm not a Ferrari fanguy ).

And judging by Prologue, my suzuka lap times were almost equal when using a f430 and a 599, so I can't see how the 599 can be faster in a track than a F430, the same goes for the SLR, it has brute power, but it's not nimble, it may feel heavy around the corners. To make it clear, how can a SLR be faster than a Zonda? Test it in GT4 by yourself and see, I've managed to get through nurburgring 13 seconds faster with the zonda, and it has "only" 550bhp, the SLR has 617.

I'm sure, that a Audi R8V10 can offer matching performance(same goes for a porsche carrera GT, lamborghini gallardo, SLS amg and others), but I still love the SLR.

EDIT: The Zr1 is almost fast as an Enzo, it could eat a SLR on any track, the Z06 in prologue can almost match a f430 in the hands of a good driver, why do you question the capabilites of the ZR1? I'm sure it will be Enzo fast, as jezza said.
 
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It skipped my mind that it was solely based on performance. In my eyes, the ZR1, like most other vettes, are just rental cars with powerful motors. Yes, I've driven many of them. That's why I would've put it in he lowest tier. Bust as I said, it's performance oriented which I'll agree with.
 
Dan_
Lol, just figure out which one is faster: 599GTB Fiorano or SLR Mclaren? Both of them are Grand Tourers which means they aren't pure performance cars, difference is: Ferrari handles better and accelerates faster ( according to reviews, i'm not a Ferrari fanguy ).

And judging by Prologue, my suzuka lap times were almost equal when using a f430 and a 599, so I can't see how the 599 can be faster in a track than a F430, the same goes for the SLR, it has brute power, but it's not nimble, it may feel heavy around the corners. To make it clear, how can a SLR be faster than a Zonda? Test it in GT4 by yourself and see, I've managed to get through nurburgring 13 seconds faster with the zonda, and it has "only" 550bhp, the SLR has 617.

I'm sure, that a Audi R8V10 can offer matching performance(same goes for a porsche carrera GT, lamborghini gallardo, SLS amg and others), but I still love the SLR.

EDIT: The Zr1 is almost fast as an Enzo, it could eat a SLR on any track, the Z06 in prologue can almost match a f430 in the hands of a good driver, why do you question the capabilites of the ZR1? I'm sure it will be Enzo fast, as jezza said.
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The ZR1 is quite difficult to drive. In the hands of most GT players the likes of a Nissan GTR (standard not V-spec) or Audi R8 V10 will be faster because they are so much easier to drive. My basis for that assumption is 1: The performance of the GTR and R8 in relation to the Z06 and tuned Corvette in GT5P and 2) The review of the Audi R8 vs ZR1 in the latest series of Top Gear.
 
I wouldn't think twice about taking a ZR1 over any car in the top tier. 640 HP, monster grip (more than a G of grip), FXX and Enzo brakes. I'd definitely take it over an R8 or a GTR. The ZR1's handling is brutally honest but it probably won't be too much harder than the 370Z in the time trial!



Start at 20 seconds. Look at that acceleration! lol R8, lol GTR, lol many cars!
 
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Seismica
The ZR1 is quite difficult to drive. In the hands of most GT players the likes of a Nissan GTR (standard not V-spec) or Audi R8 V10 will be faster because they are so much easier to drive. My basis for that assumption is 1: The performance of the GTR and R8 in relation to the Z06 and tuned Corvette in GT5P and 2) The review of the Audi R8 vs ZR1 in the latest series of Top Gear.
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I agree with everything you said, but I'm considering only talented drivers to be behind the wheel in the top online events.

This thread is so interesting to me because I've loved the idea of prologue not having almost any tuning possibility, when you're playing the A class for the first time, you can't even quick tune the cars and that's what makes the game so interesting, I mean, which one is fastest around suzuka a f430 or a GTR? You can test it by yourself and in factory spec cars. This is just brilliant, it's phenomenal I hope that manufacturer championships in GT5 accept only non-tuned cars( although I like to convert any japanese mommymobile in a powerful and good looking racing machine), racing in factory spec is the real deal, you compare audi, nissan, beemers and now we will have Gallardo vs F430, and SLR vs 599 and many other to compare and drive and drive more. The wait will be rewarded, I'm sure.
 
SrRd RacinG
I wouldn't think twice about taking a ZR1 over any car in the top tier. 640 HP, monster grip (more than a G of grip), FXX and Enzo brakes. I'd definitely take it over an R8 or a GTR. The ZR1's handling is brutally honest but it probably won't be too much harder than the 370Z in the time trial!
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I very much doubt that. The ZR1 is very quick in a straight line and like your average supercar through the corners. But there are much lighter cars with 600+bhp that are faster through the corners and on par with the ZR1 on the straights.

The only thing that sets the ZR1 apart is the cost against its higher end competitors, but i don't see why anyone would spend an extra 40k+cr on a ZR1 than on a Nissan GTR which will be just as fast around a circuit; And in the spirit of past GT games, you'll be able to strap a huge Turbo onto it to get it to 1000+bhp, but the ZR1 is stuck with a supercharger and not enough grip on the rear wheels to keep traction.
 
Seismica
I very much doubt that. The ZR1 is very quick in a straight line and like your average supercar through the corners. But there are much lighter cars with 600+bhp that are faster through the corners and on par with the ZR1 on the straights.

The only thing that sets the ZR1 apart is the cost against its higher end competitors, but i don't see why anyone would spend an extra 40k+cr on a ZR1 than on a Nissan GTR which will be just as fast around a circuit; And in the spirit of past GT games, you'll be able to strap a huge Turbo onto it to get it to 1000+bhp, but the ZR1 is stuck with a supercharger and not enough grip on the rear wheels to keep traction.
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That's the thing, though. How many cars have over 600BHP? I can name a handful from the Enzo to the ACR to the F1 to the Veyron to the LP670-4. But it's not like there's a million. It's going to be interesting for sure. So many matchups in GT5 will be epic!
 
SrRd RacinG
That's the thing, though. How many cars have over 600BHP? I can name a handful from the Enzo to the ACR to the F1 to the Veyron to the LP670-4. But it's not like there's a million. It's going to be interesting for sure. So many matchups in GT5 will be epic!
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I really want the Noble M600 in GT5 now... That would beat a ZR1 on the straights easily, 250kg lighter FTW :sly:

The ACR would probably be dominant as stock because of the sheer downforce it produces compared to a ZR1 and the like.
 
Seismica
I really want the Noble M600 in GT5 now... That would beat a ZR1 on the straights easily, 250kg lighter FTW :sly:

The ACR would probably be dominant as stock because of the sheer downforce it produces compared to a ZR1 and the like.
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There's a lot of 600+BHP cars that deserve a chance in GT5, mostly from Europe. And I really look forward to the ZR1 VS. ACR. Those two will probably be the top dogs in the west (for production cars). The Ford GT could be up there, too. And the SSC Ultimnate Aero, but I doubt it'll appear.
 
http://www.fastestlaps.com/comparisons/4717b80e35715-vs-4769c1746c636.html

I think the ZR1 can hold its own against the GT-R. However, Las Vegas was the only track where they ran on the same day.

One thing to remember about the ACR, is that the downforce produces a lot of drag, and the car has horrible gearing. High speed tracks may not favor the Viper (Sarthe), and I think it's only mid tier as well (though it was very closer to the Mosler on VIR).

The Ford GT doesn't seem much quicker than the Z06, though one thing a lot of US cars have going for them in GT is fantasy generic tires. Most US supercars run on garbage run flats, the 08 Viper was the first to do away with them, then the ZR1. The GT never had decent rubber.
 
SrRd RacinG
That's the thing, though. How many cars have over 600BHP? I can name a handful from the Enzo to the ACR to the F1 to the Veyron to the LP670-4. But it's not like there's a million. It's going to be interesting for sure. So many matchups in GT5 will be epic!
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👍 Really looking forward to those epic matchups.

If you consider anything with over 400 bhp/ton to be in the top tier (ZR1 has 424bhp/ton) then there are 31 cars in the supercar category of the Evo website that fit the bill. Granted this isn't a definitive list and not all will be in GT5 but it's still a good indication.

Seismica
I really want the Noble M600 in GT5 now... That would beat a ZR1 on the straights easily, 250kg lighter FTW :sly:

The ACR would probably be dominant as stock because of the sheer downforce it produces compared to a ZR1 and the like.
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👍 Ditto the Nobel M600, I wonder if they would incorporate the "power switch" in the in race tuning options?
 
SrRd RacinG
I wouldn't think twice about taking a ZR1 over any car in the top tier. 640 HP, monster grip (more than a G of grip), FXX and Enzo brakes. I'd definitely take it over an R8 or a GTR. The ZR1's handling is brutally honest but it probably won't be too much harder than the 370Z in the time trial!



Start at 20 seconds. Look at that acceleration! lol R8, lol GTR, lol many cars!
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I would agree, ZR1 should be a dominant car, cheaper then most super sports cars, with money left over, just imagine, a person will make a great tuner out of it.

I predict this car will be in top 10 leaderbords in GT5 Street car class for all circuits both non tunned and tuned cars.
 
SrRd RacinG
There's a lot of 600+BHP cars that deserve a chance in GT5, mostly from Europe...
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👍 Gumpert Apollo S, Noble M600, Ascari A10, Koenigsegg CCXR;

Mosler MT900S from US;

We already have McLaren F1 and Jaguar XJ220, I'm just waiting to see a EB110 in the game, it is possible to happen, I'm confident to see it in the game.
 
Dan_
And judging by Prologue, my suzuka lap times were almost equal when using a f430 and a 599, so I can't see how the 599 can be faster in a track than a F430, the same goes for the SLR, it has brute power, but it's not nimble, it may feel heavy around the corners.
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I'm willing to bet that on a different track the 599 would leave the F430 behind. Much in the same way as an Audi R10 would leave a Porsche RS Spyder for dead at La Sarthe even though they're quite even at Laguna Seca...

Just food for thought, here's a comparison of the ZR1 & the 599. Both are truly awesome cars.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0901_chevrolet_corvette_ferrari_599_gtb_comparison/index.html

And since we're talking Ferrari, I would love to see the 599xx!!! I haven't been so excited by a Ferrari since the 288 GTO & the F40!

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How about a Dmominant car that costs below 50k Credits?

One thing GT5 might have is PP restrictions, with 50k cr. car, you can enter lower PP point racing as well tune it up for high PP races. With Ferrari, ZR1, GTR, these cars right away will have high PP points, so half of the races or more they wont be able to enter...

I might change my mind to a Subaru STi, BMW M3, Heck, even Nissan 240zx! Something with good lower-mid point PP and tunable for most of the higher PP events
 
NoxNoctis Umbra
One thing GT5 might have is PP restrictions, with 50k cr. car, you can enter lower PP point racing as well tune it up for high PP races. With Ferrari, ZR1, GTR, these cars right away will have high PP points, so half of the races or more they wont be able to enter...
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In fact, GT5 should have ( not just might ) PP restrictions, because they make the game far more interesting IMO, but as we saw in the previous games, the race check-in for most of the competitions is limited by features like nationality, power, weight and drivetrain layout, and I hope that power and weight restrictions were removed and replaced by the PP restrictions which, by the way, enables a really fair competition, so we might have a "german sportsedan 600PP competition" and a "mid-engined european car 700PP showdown". That's just my guess, and seems like the smartest approach to level the performance of the cars IMO.
 
arvin charles
I'm willing to bet that on a different track the 599 would leave the F430 behind. Much in the same way as an Audi R10 would leave a Porsche RS Spyder for dead at La Sarthe even though they're quite even at Laguna Seca...

Just food for thought, here's a comparison of the ZR1 & the 599. Both are truly awesome cars.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0901_chevrolet_corvette_ferrari_599_gtb_comparison/index.html

And since we're talking Ferrari, I would love to see the 599xx!!! I haven't been so excited by a Ferrari since the 288 GTO & the F40!

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There is a rumored production version of the 599XX called the 599 GTO :D
 
Dan_
In fact, GT5 should have ( not just might ) PP restrictions, because they make the game far more interesting IMO, but as we saw in the previous games, the race check-in for most of the competitions is limited by features like nationality, power, weight and drivetrain layout, and I hope that power and weight restrictions were removed and replaced by the PP restrictions which, by the way, enables a really fair competition, so we might have a "german sportsedan 600PP competition" and a "mid-engined european car 700PP showdown". That's just my guess, and seems like the smartest approach to level the performance of the cars IMO.
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I hope to.

For me the more restrictions the better. In GT4, there were very few restrictions, and you could bring a race car with 500HP to a 200 HP race.. that was too lame and too easy.
 
I think that's the exact reason, PP restriction will no be very strict. Those who aren't good, won't be able to bring in an overpowered car in order to win. They'll complain and moan forever. Eventually pd will have to release a patch. This always happens with games.
 
NoxNoctis Umbra
I hope to.

For me the more restrictions the better. In GT4, there were very few restrictions, and you could bring a race car with 500HP to a 200 HP race.. that was too lame and too easy.
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Dude, I was playing GT5P a few minutes ago, and I got a Z06 vette and detuned it to factory spec, it has by default 701PP! So I guess the ZR1 may have more than 800! Just to compare, Audi R8 V8 4.2 cannot reach 700PP even if you set it at 85% of the weight and increase power to the maximum.
 
I'm really hoping for an insane amount of custom options online.
Races by
Engine: IL4, V6,V8, Turbo,etc.
Transmission: Auto, Manual, Sequential,
Types of Cars :FWD,AWD,RWD
Separate races for Tuned and Stock

Just to name a few things, also rules you can adjust like what type to tires can be used, damage on or off, penalties on or off, laps, etc.

I know this may seem off topic, but it goes back to your question. It really depends on how the online is set up. I know driving Ferraris and Maseratis are cool but i would just as much race a lancer, holden, ford gt, honda civic,cts4.

It the online is built in a way where your forced to just pick those faster cars, then I don't think there will be just one dominant car.
 
As of right now?
I would pick a '10 Viper ACR, they revised the front splitter and shortened 5th gear. Although 5th gear wouldn't really matter on shorter tracks, on the Nurburgring they can probably achieve well into the 7:teens (7:19 and below).

Car & Driver has been doing the Lightning Lap for I think 4 years now (since '06), and the fastest time done by any car was the Mosler MT900s (550hp 2584lbs), and 3 seconds behind that was the '08 Viper ACR (600hp 3364lbs).

I really hope they make take their time and effort on making the baddest cars available in factory colors, because the ACR's come in all sorts of shades. :drool:
 
^Yea, the ACR will be a dominant car in GT5, and not just in the west. From the videos of TGS and such, we know it's in the top tier along with the ZR1, McLaren F1, 458 Italia, Enzo, GT byCitroen, etc. So it's a sick ride. Looks so good too. Very American. Very muscle. Very nice.
 

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