The dominant car in GT5

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The Viper is historically bad in gt games (far worse than it is in real life)
the dominant car will be something kaz likes and is biased towards like a skyline or the ford gt (see prologue) or possibly the SLS seeing how much it has been used in the games promotion so far.
I REALY hope there isnt a far superior car in each class especially online because it will end up everyone using the same car.
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What a load of rubbish. The characteristics of the cars are measured and implanted into the games engine, there is no bias involved. Besides, the Nissan GTR and the Ford GT were far from dominant. The tuned variant of the GT doesn't really count, it is a fictional car.

The Viper in prologue was actually pretty decent to be fair (The SRT/10, not the GTS - which is bad in real life too)
 
Seismica
What a load of rubbish. The characteristics of the cars are measured and implanted into the games engine, there is no bias involved. Besides, the Nissan GTR and the Ford GT were far from dominant. The tuned variant of the GT doesn't really count, it is a fictional car.

The Viper in prologue was actually pretty decent to be fair (The SRT/10, not the GTS - which is bad in real life too)
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Load of rubbish eh !, your clearly playing a different game. the std ford gt in prologue can out run any car in its class on any track in online play, the integra type R the clio V6. and the nsx type R. are all biased cars in the game.
Heres one for you to try take the elise 111R and the clio v6 on any track see which one easily wins ( i'll bet the clio everytime)
 
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Load of rubbish eh !, your clearly playing a different game. the std ford gt in prologue can out run any car in its class on any track in online play, the integra type R the clio V6. and the nsx type R. are all biased cars in the game.
Heres one for you to try take the elise 111R and the clio v6 on any track see which one easily wins ( i'll bet the clio everytime)
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Not if they are stock. Sure, some cars are a little inbalanced when it comes to performance points, but that in no way alters the stock performance of a car, or indicates that certain cars have been given preferential treatment by developers by making them better than they should be.
 
Seismica
Not if they are stock. Sure, some cars are a little inbalanced when it comes to performance points, but that in no way alters the stock performance of a car, or indicates that certain cars have been given preferential treatment by developers by making them better than they should be.
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Yes it does, real world the 111R is way faster than the cliov6 in any situation. But in the game the roles are reversed the clio is much much faster ! so the developers have made it perform better than it actually is ! like i said, they are Biased towards certain cars.
 
Seismica
What a load of rubbish. The characteristics of the cars are measured and implanted into the games engine, there is no bias involved. Besides, the Nissan GTR and the Ford GT were far from dominant. The tuned variant of the GT doesn't really count, it is a fictional car.

The Viper in prologue was actually pretty decent to be fair (The SRT/10, not the GTS - which is bad in real life too)
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Meh. It's all numbers and it depends what numbers PD use for what car. Bias can easily be implemented. Nothing is perfect.
 
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Yes it does, real world the 111R is way faster than the cliov6 in any situation. But in the game the roles are reversed the clio is much much faster ! so the developers have made it perform better than it actually is ! like i said, they are Biased towards certain cars.
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Well dont forget you have to be able to control these cars, and the Elise is a tricky one, V6's have better torque, plus the results hinge on the tune.

I think you're jumping to conclusions, what you're really pointing out is flaws in the PP system.
 
erm well...it depends on the track and the set-out. On le mans and tracks with a lot of straights the veyron owns, on tight tracks the 4wd murcielago will be great, on tracks with slight corners (like HSR) i'd say the zonda or mclaren f1 and again the veyron. Overall though the formula one cars will own obviously.
 
I think our idea of a dominant car is based on our online experiences in GT5P, where there are only a handfull of events to join and dominant cars are exploited over and over. With the amount of variety (cars and tracks) plus private rooms in the full game each race should be different enough to prevent cars from becoming too dominant.
 
Real interesting topic. Good logic with the Lambos, they do look like a good bet. It's gonna come down to PP system in the end, which I hope is really tight. Also good point grog - the more things are mixed up, the better. Maybe the overhauled physics will go some way to improving things also, ie. no more easy Clio V6, since it should be a slippery pig, realistically.

Road cars: At stock level, I'd expect the Murcielago to be top of the pile on average, but once downforce and extensive tuning are done, any car should be up to it. All depends on the tuning :)
 
Like the OP, I will be heading straight to Italy. Unlike the OP, I will be searching for the Fiat badge and heading straight for the 500 :lol:
 
I normally try to get a few classic American muscle cars first.
 
grog
Well dont forget you have to be able to control these cars, and the Elise is a tricky one, V6's have better torque, plus the results hinge on the tune.

I think you're jumping to conclusions, what you're really pointing out is flaws in the PP system.
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A 111R may be tricky for the average person to handle in real life, absolutely, but a Clio V6 is far more likely to bite back and send someone into a hedge. Heavy V6 in an unfortunately high-mounted position combined with a short wheelbase and ample torque means the car had a reputation as being essentially a modern 911 (since Porsche has actually tamed their car's natural tendencies these days). I've yet to ever read about a Clio V6 (even the more powerful and better handling 255, not in Prologue) lapping a track faster than one of the Toyota-engined Lotii.

For the people saying there's no bias in GT's... load up GT4 again and run cars like the Ford GT, Amuse S2000, NSX Type-R, or M3 CSL against cars with similar power and weight figures, on the same level of tires. They will utterly destroy anything else, and not even by a small portion. Or the McMerc SLR; it should not be able to handily outrun nearly any other supercar on stock tires. It's a minor thing I suppose, since with such a large car lineup, some exceptions are bound to happen. But it exists.

Same with older cars in the game being needlessly slower than their more modern counterparts (I'm talking just one generation change). I would imagine, that if I'm upgrading my Viper GTS to R3 tires, and my SRT-10 to R3 tires, that they're supposed to be essentially the same (other than size difference). That is, they're supposed to represent a modern race tire, not a period-specific one. Though maybe that's how PD wants it... either way, it's disappointing that new cars are almost always fastest.
 
Class wise Elise 111r would gap any car in its power range. Evora wouldnt do too bad either. Like in gt5p fordgt & Covette could cause problems on long circults. Powerhouses like Murcielago and Enzo should excel also.
 
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Load of rubbish eh !, your clearly playing a different game. the std ford gt in prologue can out run any car in its class on any track in online play, the integra type R the clio V6. and the nsx type R. are all biased cars in the game.
Heres one for you to try take the elise 111R and the clio v6 on any track see which one easily wins ( i'll bet the clio everytime)
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erm..

Every time a 750pp time trial is on Suzuka the Lotus 111R is always proven faster than the GT. Likewise with Daytona Road and the R35 GT-R.

Hell the GT-R is quicker at Daytona Road and London. The Ford GT is hardly overpowered.
 
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A 111R may be tricky for the average person to handle in real life, absolutely, but a Clio V6 is far more likely to bite back and send someone into a hedge. Heavy V6 in an unfortunately high-mounted position combined with a short wheelbase and ample torque means the car had a reputation as being essentially a modern 911 (since Porsche has actually tamed their car's natural tendencies these days). I've yet to ever read about a Clio V6 (even the more powerful and better handling 255, not in Prologue) lapping a track faster than one of the Toyota-engined Lotii.

For the people saying there's no bias in GT's... load up GT4 again and run cars like the Ford GT, Amuse S2000, NSX Type-R, or M3 CSL against cars with similar power and weight figures, on the same level of tires. They will utterly destroy anything else, and not even by a small portion. Or the McMerc SLR; it should not be able to handily outrun nearly any other supercar on stock tires. It's a minor thing I suppose, since with such a large car lineup, some exceptions are bound to happen. But it exists.
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So you're comparing the Ai in gt4 to your laps or what?
You seem to have quite a few assumptions about various cars and I'm not going to try to change your mind, but consider this not all cars are created equal and all cars have limitations.

On a side note I assume GT5P's online environment is to blame for peoples hatred of the Clio.
 
Slurm
Real interesting topic. Good logic with the Lambos, they do look like a good bet. It's gonna come down to PP system in the end, which I hope is really tight. Also good point grog - the more things are mixed up, the better. Maybe the overhauled physics will go some way to improving things also, ie. no more easy Clio V6, since it should be a slippery pig, realistically.

Road cars: At stock level, I'd expect the Murcielago to be top of the pile on average, but once downforce and extensive tuning are done, any car should be up to it. All depends on the tuning :)
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I never played Prologue, but as far as I know the Clio V6 in stock form is one of the cars with the most traction. According to JC from Top Gear, even if he dumps the clutch at 5k rpms there is no wheelspin whatsoever. When it reaches the limits of grip, however, it just spins out because the wheelbase is so short.

The most dominant car so far is the F2002, of course.
 
grog
So you're comparing the Ai in gt4 to your laps or what?
You seem to have quite a few assumptions about various cars and I'm not going to try to change your mind, but consider this not all cars are created equal and all cars have limitations.

On a side note I assume GT5P's online environment is to blame for peoples hatred of the Clio.
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I'm comparing it to my own laps only, perhaps I should've been more clear. AI has nothing to do with what I said. I took dozens upon dozens of cars to the 'Ring, Grand Valley, and Motorsports Land in GT4, and those cars I mentioned consistently outpunch other cars that have near-identical power/weight ratings (or even sometimes better). The Ford GT for example could comfortably run in the 7:0x mark around the 'Ring on N3 tires. The SLR can turn in similar times. Even stranger, a Vanquish was quicker around there than an Esprit 350. I know certain cars in real life just inherently punch above their own weight (the GT-R, for another example), but it's not surprising that most cars that Kaz owns seems to have that happen to them. There are some strange discrepancies in GT4 when it comes to which cars will beat out others on tracks, at least compared to, say, EVO magazine. Again, a small issue, and it's to be expected.

As for the Clio; I love it, I genuinely do. And I got into Prologue late enough that I don't share people's hatred for it's ubiquity. But every single real life review mentions it can be a handful very quickly, so I trust there's a reason for that. A 230hp, 1300+ kg machine with the physical layout (and inherent drawbacks due to it) wouldn't know which way an Elise 111R went on a track.

On to the topic of the thread though; I imagine the X1 will be the dominant car in GT5. It was afterall designed without rules...
 
Thread revival detected. :p

The dominant car performance-wise, or the dominant car is the most driven car? :confused:

When it comes to performance, the X1 should destroy pretty much everything on every track.
 
Dan_
Thread revival detected. :p

The dominant car performance-wise, or the dominant car is the most driven car? :confused:

When it comes to performance, the X1 should destroy pretty much everything on every track.
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Big deal!!! it's not even real and It only reached 397kmh (trailer) and its not legal.
 
Negativo
Big deal!!! it's not even real and It only reached 397kmh (trailer) and its not legal.
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How so? It's a blend of LMP brutal speed and acceleration with F1 driving dynamics, what's faster than that in four wheels? Nothing.

That is what exactly begs my question: Dominant performance-wise or dominant when it comes to how many times a given car was driven? Also, being real or not doesn't have nothing to do with the point of this thread, if I'm not mistaken.

Performance-wise it will be the X1, as for the most used car, I would go with the 458 Italia or the Gallardo, people seems to have a blatant bias toward Italian metal.
 
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I agree, the Redbull X1 would be the most dominant. However, I don't believe it's the one everybody would fly to. Since GT4, racing events have been pretty specific and GT5p has pretty much settled everyone's complaints on performance discrepancies. GT5's playing field is going to be pretty leveled. The variety of events, the amount of cars, tuning, etc. There are just too many factors to have one car stand out above the rest, and Im pretty sure the X1 wouldn't be allowed in the majority of events(special car?) We have come a long way from choosing the GT-One or 787B for every race in GT3, lol.
 
Dan_
How so? It's a blend of LMP brutal speed and acceleration with F1 driving dynamics, what's faster than that in four wheels? Nothing.

That is what exactly begs my question: Dominant performance-wise or dominant when it comes to how many times a given car was driven? Also, being real or not doesn't have nothing to do with the point of this thread, if I'm not mistaken.

Performance-wise it will be the X1, as for the most used car, I would go with the 458 Italia or the Gallardo, people seems to have a blatant bias toward Italian metal.
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My bad Dan i wasnt arguing about the x1 being the best (suppose to be) it is just unfair to compare it with real and abundant type of cars.

In addition gt isnt about the best cars as in some cases it would be useless e.g career mode regulations blablabla. But about your skill to nurture your favourite car to becoming thd best.
 
Negativo
Big deal!!! it's not even real and It only reached 397kmh (trailer) and its not legal.
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You did see that the speed was still climbing during before it cut to something else. right? We know the car can easily do 400kph.
 
dave_sz
You did see that the speed was still climbing during before it cut to something else. right? We know the car can easily do 400kph.
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Davey, it reached 397 then stopped, Veyron can do 420 odd and Mclaren/CCx is not far either.
 
It didn't stop at 397, the shot cut as it was still climbing. Vettel was heard recording some narration saying a car can easily reach 400kmh, which has to be this car. There's also proof saying Vettel drove the car around Suzuka 20 seconds faster than the current F1 record. It WILL be the dominant car in terms of lap times. It is based off of an F1 car, and LMP car, so it will have far superior grip, braking, and handling abilities compared to any street car you are talking about Negativo.
 
Negativo
Davey, it reached 397 then stopped, Veyron can do 420 odd and Mclaren/CCx is not far either.
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We're watching different videos then cause it was at 398 when the vid cuts. The car was nowhere near it's top speed at 398. You can tell just by looking at how fast the speed was going up between 395 and 398.

Falango
It didn't stop at 397, the shot cut as it was still climbing. Vettel was heard recording some narration saying a car can easily reach 400kmh, which has to be this car. There's also proof saying Vettel drove the car around Suzuka 20 seconds faster than the current F1 record. It WILL be the dominant car in terms of lap times. It is based off of an F1 car, and LMP car, so it will have far superior grip, braking, and handling abilities compared to any street car you are talking about Negativo.
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