The Earth is Flat?

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What if people believe the earth is flat cause they've only seen maps and never seen a globe?
I know I know, the earth isn't a circle on a map, it's an adapted 2-D image(an oval, which should kill the argument) and most people know what a globe is. Still though...
Where do sinusoidal projections fit in?
 
Where do sinusoidal projections fit in?
I didn't know that map existed. Is it a FE theory or a map maker trying to make a more accurate map?
I just read the Google preview.
 
I didn't know that map existed. Is it a FE theory or a map maker trying to make a more accurate map?
I just read the Google preview.

It's for more accuracy, well sorta but it's nothing to do with flat earthers.

Based on your other post I'm going to guess it makes no difference what map a person is shown who might be prone to conclude the earth is flat afterwards.
 
It's for more accuracy, well sorta but it's nothing to do with flat earthers.

Based on your other post I'm going to guess it makes no difference what map a person is shown who might be prone to conclude the earth is flat afterwards.
Yes, it's just a hypothetical question.
 
On the topic of maps and globes...

Spoilered as it may be considered pornographic:

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I mean...

:drool:
 
On the topic of maps and globes...

Spoilered as it may be considered pornographic:

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I mean...

:drool:

Those curves, bro...that shine.

This is like the adult version of those bikini models that slather themselves in baby oil.

What if people believe the earth is flat cause they've only seen maps and never seen a globe?
I know I know, the earth isn't a circle on a map, it's an adapted 2-D image(an oval, which should kill the argument) and most people know what a globe is. Still though...

If people believe the world is flat because that's the only information that they've had access to, then that's totally acceptable. As I've said earlier in the thread, if one were simply to look out the window with no other reference that might be a reasonable assumption to make. The world looks flat at first glance.

But inevitably, someone will show and explain to them the reasons why that's incorrect. At that point, if they refuse to consider the idea that they might be wrong, then that's irrational.

Generally, when we talk about Flat Earthers we're only referring to people who despite having all the information and capability necessary to recognise that the flat earth hypothesis doesn't match observed reality still insist that it's flat. There's nothing wrong with being ignorant (in the sense of not having been exposed to certain knowledge), there's a lot wrong with wilfully ignoring reality in order to create your own fantasy world. Mostly we consider people who do that to be kind of scary, because their judgement in other matters becomes questionable.
 
Sounds like a certain orange individual.

Don't be so harsh on yourself, your text is stunning. ;)

But yes, that's exactly why Trump is scary. You can totally imagine him pushing the nuclear button based on pretty much anything. Logic need not be involved. Although I've still got my money on him starting WWIII just to prove that his presidential member is totally larger than Kim Jong Un or Putin. It's massive. Everyone says so. Bigly.

I got a massive giggle from him bragging about the size of his nuclear button. President of the United States, and still insecure. :censored:ing incredible.
 
Don't be so harsh on yourself, your text is stunning. ;)
:lol:

Well done.

Edit: I'd have laughed more at that button tweet if I wasn't so focused on getting my eyes to roll back into their usual place in their sockets. I'd just like to wake up one morning and not wonder what imbecilic thing he's said or done while I slept.
 
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Thought:

What if aliens visit us and are so awestruck by that bigass turtle that they miss us entirely?

Scarier thought:

Countless films would have us believe that visiting lifeforms are surely going to be hostile; what happens to us if they kill the turtle?

:scared:
 
Thought:

What if aliens visit us and are so awestruck by that bigass turtle that they miss us entirely?

Scarier thought:

Countless films would have us believe that visiting lifeforms are surely going to be hostile; what happens to us if they kill the turtle?

:scared:

No problem, we'll just use the backup turtle underneath it. It's only when we start to get to the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup turtle that there's maybe an issue.
 
Thought:

What if aliens visit us and are so awestruck by that bigass turtle that they miss us entirely?

Scarier thought:

Countless films would have us believe that visiting lifeforms are surely going to be hostile; what happens to us if they kill the turtle?

:scared:
Um, how is a turtle related to this thread?
 
Birds, scorpions, bulls, serpents and other animal images make up the zodiac, and are considered to be of archeoastronomical and religious significance. Elephants and turtles also play a role in archeoastronomy and religious myth, it would seem.

Bottom line of this article below:
The "Flat Earth Myth" is indeed correct - if understanding it correctly. An Island of Light, surrounded of a flattish disc is indeed floating in the Cosmic Sea. This Island with its Mound/Mountain can only be the Milky Way with its hill-shaped bulge centre, which our Solar System are revolving around.

- From being a most ridiculed naive hear-saying myth, started of by people that have forgotten the real Milky Way Myth and later on by scholars that were/are unable to grasp the full Mytho-Cosmological implications, the truth strikes back and restores the stunning spiritual knowledge of our Ancestors.

http://www.native-science.net/Turtle_Elephant_Myth.htm
THE TURTLE AND ELEPHANT - AND THE "FLAT EARTH MYTH"


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The World Turtle Myth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Turtle
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The Turtle Myth in China

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The Turtle Myth in India
Main article: Kurmaraja
Hindu mythology has various account of World Tortoises, besides a World Serpent (Shesha), Kurmaraja and world-elephants.

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The Turtle Myth in North America
The Lenape myth of the "Great Turtle" was first recorded between 1678 and 1680 by Jasper Danckaerts. The myth is shared by other Northeastern Woodlands tribes, notably the Iroquois.

Iroquois Creation Myth

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The World-Elephant Myth
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Conclusion:

Creator Goddesses; Creator Gods and Creator Animals are most always all wrongly connected to the Earth - and, in the better case, connected to the Solar System and the planets, but they correctly should be connected very specifically to the Story of Creation and to the myths of the Milky Way.

- If the scholars are confused, it is because they are having great difficulties to, in the first hand with connecting the right animal symbols to the right celestial objects, and secondly they also have difficulties imaging that different cultures could have changed the older animal symbols, even that they mythological and cosmological of course meant the very same. Having these difficulties, the scholars themselves corrupts and distorts the mythological telling.

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The "Flat Earth Myth" is indeed correct - if understanding it correctly. An Island of Light, surrounded of a flattish disc is indeed floating in the Cosmic Sea. This Island with its Mound/Mountain can only be the Milky Way with its hill-shaped bulge centre, which our Solar System are revolving around.

- From being a most ridiculed naive hear-saying myth, started of by people that have forgotten the real Milky Way Myth and later on by scholars that were/are unable to grasp the full Mytho-Cosmological implications, the truth strikes back and restores the stunning spiritual knowledge of our Ancestors.

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To delete as many thoughts as possible.
 
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While on the topic of turtles, here's a quote from A Brief History of Time, by Stephen Hawking:

A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"

Most people would find the picture of our universe as an infinite tower of tortoises rather ridiculous, but why do we think we know better? What do we know about the universe, and how do we know it? Where did the universe come from, and where is it going? Did the universe have a beginning, and if so, what happened before then? What is the nature of time? Will it ever come to an end? Can we go back in time? Recent breakthroughs in physics, made possible in part by fantastic new technologies, suggest answers to some of these longstanding questions. Someday these answers may seem as obvious to us as the earth orbiting the sun—or perhaps as ridiculous as a tower of tortoises. Only time (whatever that may be) will tell.
 
Bottom line of this article below:
The "Flat Earth Myth" is indeed correct - if understanding it correctly. An Island of Light, surrounded of a flattish disc is indeed floating in the Cosmic Sea. This Island with its Mound/Mountain can only be the Milky Way with its hill-shaped bulge centre, which our Solar System are revolving around.

- From being a most ridiculed naive hear-saying myth, started of by people that have forgotten the real Milky Way Myth and later on by scholars that were/are unable to grasp the full Mytho-Cosmological implications, the truth strikes back and restores the stunning spiritual knowledge of our Ancestors.

http://www.native-science.net/Turtle_Elephant_Myth.htm
THE TURTLE AND ELEPHANT - AND THE "FLAT EARTH MYTH"

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"When Columbus lived, people thought that the earth was flat. They believed the Atlantic Ocean to be filled with monsters large enough to devour their ships, and with fearful waterfalls over which their frail vessels would plunge to destruction". (From Myth of the Flat Earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth)


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Gas and dust are heated up and the different elements are melted together, forming larger lumps of gas that becomes Stars and larger lumps of matter/"soil" that becomes Planets of all kinds. These new formed stars and planet are gently slung out from the swirling center of the galaxy, a center that is called Eden in the Bible from where all life have origin. Observed from our Solar system this galaxy centre is located in the star constellation of Sagittarius.

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- An Stone Age artifact from Denmark and a Bronze Age artifact replica from Finland, most likely both illustrating the Milky Way Galaxy and the location of our Solar System in the galaxy. The Turtle shell pattern is a very good symbol in order to illustrate both the Milky Way bulge and the concentricity of the Milky Way surroundings.

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The galaxy centre is mythological also called The Primordial Mound, The World Mountain or Hill, The Enclosed Light, The First Island, The First Light etc., and they all describe the very centre bulge of the Milky Way which seen from the plane has a flat disc look with the bulge centre in the middle as seen on the picture above. All over the World ancient people have build a lot of hills symbolizing this Milky Way Central Hill and they also have told a lot of stories combined with different symbols of both animals and human beings in order to tell the Mytho-Cosmological story of origin.

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The very shape of a Turtle shell and its pattern are used by several cultures to describe the bulgy center of the Milky Way with its flattish disc. - In the following, I'll comment in this font color and size between the quoted text from Wikipedia and illustrate where it goes very wrong when scholars and laymen underestimate the spiritual knowledge of our Ancestors. The conclusion can very easily turn out to be that the "flatness of the Earth" more describe the mentally flatness and ignorance of the interpreting scholars and laymen.

The World Turtle Myth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Turtle
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The mytheme of a giant turtle or tortoise supporting or containing the world occurs in Hindu mythology, in Chinese mythology and in Native American mythology. The mytheme of a World-Tortoise, besides that of a world-bearing elephant, (see below, Ivar) was discussed comparatively by Edward Burnett Tylor (1878:341).

The Turtle Myth in China
In Chinese mythology the creator goddess Nüwa cut the legs off the giant sea turtle Ao (鳌) and used them to prop up the sky after Gong Gong damaged the Buzhou Mountain that had previously supported the heavens. Researchers of early Chinese mythology also note that the flat undershell and round domed upper shell of a turtle resemble the ancient Chinese idea of a flat earth and round domed sky.

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My comments: How can a geographical located mountain on Earth support "the heavens"? And how can an earthly goddess "repair the Sky"? When the story tells of something going on in the Sky, the cosmological interpretation and understanding should logically focus only on something in the Sky and not on the Earth.

The story tells of the Creation even BEFORE the Earth was created! So how can the story become mixed up to such a degree? Well, this confusion and distortion of a myth happens only because modern scholars and laymen have GREAT difficulties to grasp that our Ancestors used their spiritual skills so brilliantly that they intuitively got the cosmological knowledge via spiritual journeys of-of-the-body-like travels in cosmos where The Creation itself told the cosmological stories.

Because the Milky Way Galaxy has a flat disc from where the Solar System and the Earth once was created, the scholars and laymen are unable to connect the right mythological dots to the right celestial objects and their connected cosmological facts. The Milky Way World Mountain on a flat disc, floating in Cosmos, then becomes "a mountain on an Earth which is flat", completely distorting this mythological Story of Creation.

Wikipedia: "Buzhou Mountain was an ancient Chinese mythological mountain which according to old texts lay to the northwest of the Kunlun Mountains, in a location today referred to as the Pamir Mountains. It is the mountain said to have supported the heavens, against which the Chinese water god Gong Gong smashed his head in a fit of anger, requiring the goddess Nüwa to repair the sky".

- Here we very sadly have the Milky Way Centre Mountain creation supposed by mythological scholars to be located "to the northwest of Kunlun Mountains, today referred to as the Pamir Mountains".

The Turtle Myth in India
Main article: Kurmaraja
Hindu mythology has various account of World Tortoises, besides a World Serpent (Shesha), Kurmaraja and world-elephants.

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The most widespread name given to the tortoise is Kurma or Kurmaraja. The Shatapatha Brahmana identifies the earth as its lower shell, the atmosphere as its body and the vault of heaven as its upper shell. The concept of World-Tortoise and World-Elephant was conflated in popular or rhetorical references to Hindu mythology. An alleged tortoise Chukwa supporting Mount Meru.

Mount Meru Mythology
- As mentioned above the mythological mountain/mound/hill/island/first light represents the bulging centre of the Milky Way.




Bhutanese thanka of Mount Meru and the Buddhist Universe, 19th century,
Mount Meru, also called Sumeru i.e the "Great Meru") is a sacred mountain in Hindu and Buddhist cosmology as well as in Jain cosmology, and is considered to be the center of all the physical, metaphysical and spiritual universes. It is also the abode of Lord Brahma and the Demi-Gods (Devas).

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The mountain is said to be 84,000 Yojanas high (which is around 672,000 miles or 1.082 million kilometers). Many famous Hindu and Jain temples have been built as symbolic representations of this mountain. The highest point (the finial bud) on the pyatthat, a Burmese-style multi-tiered roof, represents Mount Meru.

- Now: Which earthly mountain can have these proportions? Maybe the measures mentioned above is not very precise measurements of the Milky Way, but they still are "astronomically dimensions" very well fit to describe the large flat disc of our Milky Way with the Milky Way Bulge/Centre.

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The photo of the Milky Way Centre over the Aboriginal holy Hill, Uluru, is a very good illustration of the World Mountain Myth. (Photo Credit: http://cfloydphotography.com/chris_floyd_photography LANDSCAPES.htm)



The Turtle Myth in North America
The Lenape myth of the "Great Turtle" was first recorded between 1678 and 1680 by Jasper Danckaerts. The myth is shared by other Northeastern Woodlands tribes, notably the Iroquois.

Iroquois Creation Myth
Long before the world was created there was an island, floating in the sky, upon which the Sky People lived. They lived quietly and happily. No one ever died or was born or experienced sadness. However one day one of the Sky Women realized she was going to give birth to twins. She told her husband, who flew into a rage. In the center of the island there was a tree which gave light to the entire island since the sun hadn't been created yet. He tore up this tree, creating a huge hole in the middle of the island. Curiously, the woman peered into the hole. Far below she could see the waters that covered the earth. At that moment her husband pushed her. She fell through the hole, tumbling towards the waters below.
The Sky "People"

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The image above shows the main Star Atlas contours of the Milky Way as observed on the northern and southern hemisphere on a favorable night and season. With just a little imagination one can picture a man standing to the left and a woman to the right, symbolizing the Sky People living "on a Island floating in the Sky" i.e. "on the Milky Way disc as described above.

The inserted Earth In the centre between the 2 figures is marking the Earth axis pole, and the also inserted orange "sun-light" symbol marks the centre of the Milky Way, the "First Light" and "the enclosed Sun", located in the constellation of Sagittarius. The common world myths of Creation states that it is "from the womb of this Great Goddess that all life have origin". That is really: Our Solar System was once created directly out from the very centre of the Milky Way.

These Milky Way images of a man and a woman are the main cause for the Forefather Worshipping and they are of cause also the origin for the telling of Adam and Eve in the Bible.

The context also says: "In the center of the island there was a tree which gave light to the entire island since the sun hadn't been created yet", which is very similar to the biblical story with the biblical "Garden of Eden" and the Tree of Life". And since it states that the sun wasn't yet created, this telling also is dealing with the Story of Creation, very well accordingly to my comments above.

Water animals already existed on the earth, so far below the floating island two birds saw the Sky Woman fall. Just before she reached the waters they caught her on their backs and brought her to the other animals. Determined to help the woman they dove into the water to get mud from the bottom of the seas. One after another the animals tried and failed. Finally, Little Toad tried and when he reappeared his mouth was full of mud. The animals took it and spread it on the back of Big Turtle. The mud began to grow and grow and grow until it became the size of North America.

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Then the woman stepped onto the land. She sprinkled dust into the air and created stars. Then she created the moon and sun.

As mentioned above: The common world myths of Creation states that it is "from the womb of this Great Goddess that all life and elements have origin". That is really: Our Solar System was once created directly out from the very centre of the Milky Way, symbolized by the Cosmic Woman. This is of course very contra dictionary to the modern scientists - but then again: Their cosmological science contains a lots of contradictions itself.

The Sky Woman gave birth to twin sons. She named one Sapling. He grew to be kind and gentle. She named the other Flint and his heart was as cold as his name. They grew quickly and began filling the earth with their creations.

Sapling created what is good. He made animals that are useful to humans. He made rivers that went two ways and into these he put fish without bones. He made plants that people could eat easily. If he was able to do all the work himself there would be no suffering.

Flint destroyed much of Sapling's work and created all that is bad. He made the rivers flow only in one direction. He put bones in fish and thorns on berry bushes. He created winter, but Sapling gave it life so that it could move to give way to Spring. He created monsters which his brother drove beneath the Earth.

Eventually Sapling and Flint decided to fight till one conquered the other. Neither was able to win at first, but finally Flint was beaten. Because he was a god Flint could not die, so he was forced to live on Big Turtle's back. Occasionally his anger is felt in the form of a volcano.

The Iroquois people hold a great respect for all animals. This is mirrored in their creation myth by the role the animals play. Without the animals' help the Sky Woman may have sunk to the bottom of the sea and earth may not have been created. Link: http://www.cs.williams.edu/~lindsey/myths/myths_12.html

- When knowing of some cosmological clues that really and beautifully support the ancient mythological stories, this telling is not at all an naive mumbo jumbo story, it is a beauty in it self! Even the telling of the Sky Woman "who may have sunk to the bottom of the sea" is very correctly:

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The Sky Woman is really located on the southern hemisphere in "the Underworld" and "she", as well as "he" on the northern hemisphere, represents the Heavenly Waters of the Milky Way River. (NB: Some of the "Sky People" can ALSO possibly be connected to some Star Constellations)

For more Turtle Myths, see here: http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&safe=off&biw=1099&bih=568&gbv=2&q=turtle+myth&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw

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The World-Elephant Myth
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Classical Sanskrit literature has references to "World-Elephants" as mythical animals supporting the world in Hindu cosmology. This image augments the stock of mythological world-bearers over the earlier World Turtle (Kurmaraja) and World Serpent (Nagaraja or Shesha). Indeed, Wilhelm von Humboldt suggested that the idea of a world-elephant was due to a confusion, caused by the Sanskrit noun Nāga having the dual meaning of "serpent" and "elephant" (named for its serpent-like trunk), thus representing a corrupted account of the world-serpent. The various Hindu myths of the world being carried or enclosed by either a tortoise, a serpent or an elephant were referred to by Taylor (1878:339) In the epics and major Puranas, there "is no myth of a world-upholding elephant", and Al Biruni makes no mention of it, only quoting Brahmagupta who states "the earth is the only low thing".

- If the scholars are confused, it is because they are having great difficulties to, in the first hand with connecting the right animal symbols to the right celestial objects, and secondly they also have difficulties imaging that different cultures could have changed the older animal symbols, even that they mythological and cosmological of course meant the very same. Having these difficulties, the scholars themselves corrupts and distorts the mythological telling.

The elephants are supposed to be guarding (and supporting) the earth at the compass points of the cardinal directions, and they cause earthquakes when shaking their bodies.

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The 4 Elephant that "supports the Earth" is not supporting the Earth, but the represent the 4 cardinal directions from the Solar System in the Galaxy. One have to imagine that the contours of the Milky Way seemingly revolves around the Earth axis pole, and therefore the contours can be used in order to illustrate the 4 directions. Regarding the shaking effect, this must originally have described the "the strong force that is emerging from the Milky Way centre", a kind of cosmic birth contractions when the Milky Way creation is going on.

Thus there are four, eight, or sixteen of them. The Amarakosha (5th century) lists the names of eight male elephants bearing the world (along with eight unnamed female elephants). The names listed are: Airavata, Pundarika, Vamana, Kumunda, Anjana, Pushpa-danta, Sarva-bhauma, Supratika. Four names are given in Ramayana 1.41: Viru-paksha, Maha-padma, Saumanas, Bhadra.

- I would not be surprised at all if the names mentioned here are telling some very specific information regarding the Solar System and the cardinal directions in the Milky Way.

Mahapadma also appears as the name of a treasure-guarding naga (serpent, dragon) in Harivamsa and Vishnu Purana. Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable lists Maha-pudma and Chukwa are names from a "popular rendition of a Hindu myth in which the tortoise Chukwa supports the elephant Maha-pudma, which in turn supports the world". The spelling Mahapudma originates as a misprint of Mahapadma in Sri Aurobindo's 1921 retelling of a story of the Mahabharata, Love and Death.

And again we here have several animal-symbols representing the very same Milky Way Myths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World-elephant

The Gaja Elephant Myth

Gaja (a Sanskrit word for elephant) is one of the significant animals finding references in Hindu scriptures and Buddhist and Jain texts. In general, a gaja personifies a number of positive attributes including fertility and richness; boldness and strength; and wisdom and royalty.

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"Abundance, fertility and richness; boldness and strength; and wisdom and royalty" also are qualities connected to the Great Milky Way Mother as well. Note that the elephant Gaja and the womanly Gaia is very similar, Gaia not meaning the "Mother Earth" of course, but meaning the great Milky Way Mother figure.

In European Portuguese it means "physical attractive female", its origin in the Portuguese language can be related to a personification of fertility as mentioned. The legend states that Airavata, the first elephant, emerged from the churning of the ocean. There is another mythological account, which states that Brahma created elephants.

Wikipedia: Churning the Milky Ocean

The churning of the Ocean of Milk was an elaborate process. Mount Mandaranchal was used as the dasher (churning tool), and Vasuki, the king of serpents, became the churning rope. The gods held the tail of the snake, while the demons (Asuras) held its head, and they pulled on it alternately causing the mountain to rotate, which in turn churned the ocean. However, once the mountain was placed on the ocean, it began to sink. Vishnu in his second incarnation, in the form of a turtle Kurma, came to their rescue and supported the mountain on his back.

- Which kind of earthly mount can be used as a rotation tool? Which cosmic mound is likely turning? Just like the Earth is turning, the same goes for the Milky Way which also globally is symbolized by Serpents and Snakes.

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Churning of the ocean deals mythological not with any earthy waters. It deals foremost with the churning in the Milky Way Mound centre that creates the Milky Way contours that again is mythological imagined as several animals and human beings - and even as anthropomorphic beings of all kind.

The Buddhist tradition states that Buddha came into the womb of his mother in the form of an elephant having six tusks. According to Jaina tradition, each of the mother of the twenty-four thirthankars dreamt of fourteen auspicious objects, which included an elephant.

- Here we have a mix up with both the Cosmic Great Mother and the Cosmic Elephant which mythological means the very same.

In Hinduism, Ganesh, a god with the elephant’s head has been an object of reverence and worship for more than two millennia. He is therefore called as Gajanan(Gaj=elephant, aanan= faced). Several deities and mythological figures have elephants as their conveyance (vahan) including Balarama, Skanda and aiyanar.

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- The southern womanly Milky Way contour, with marking of the Milky Way "Womb Centre" to the right, also imagined by humans as an Elephant.

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- Some ancient images of Elephants.

An elephant is also one of several attributes of a Chakravartin, which he is expected to own to be bestowed with the title of Chakravatin, that is, the supreme and universal ruler. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaja

Google results for "Elephant Myth": http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&s...68&gbv=2&q=elephant+myth&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw

Conclusion:

Creator Goddesses; Creator Gods and Creator Animals are most always all wrongly connected to the Earth - and, in the better case, connected to the Solar System and the planets, but they correctly should be connected very specifically to the Story of Creation and to the myths of the Milky Way.

- If the scholars are confused, it is because they are having great difficulties to, in the first hand with connecting the right animal symbols to the right celestial objects, and secondly they also have difficulties imaging that different cultures could have changed the older animal symbols, even that they mythological and cosmological of course meant the very same. Having these difficulties, the scholars themselves corrupts and distorts the mythological telling.

Turtle3.jpg


The "Flat Earth Myth" is indeed correct - if understanding it correctly. An Island of Light, surrounded of a flattish disc is indeed floating in the Cosmic Sea. This Island with its Mound/Mountain can only be the Milky Way with its hill-shaped bulge centre, which our Solar System are revolving around.

- From being a most ridiculed naive hear-saying myth, started of by people that have forgotten the real Milky Way Myth and later on by scholars that were/are unable to grasp the full Mytho-Cosmological implications, the truth strikes back and restores the stunning spiritual knowledge of our Ancestors.
A link would have sufficed, rather than posting nine pages of someone else's thoughts for everyone to scroll past.
 
That's why I referred to it as "climate change" in my comment regarding the two earlier.
Climate change has always seemed to me to be the more correct term in describing stuff. As to where Global Warming is a more off phrasing, that only describes part of the issue.
 
As to where Global Warming is a more off phrasing, that only describes part of the issue.
"Global warming" allows orange idiots who can't/won't see a logical link between the warming of the planet as a whole and extreme lows during the cold season to justify (if only in their own minds) sending out mindless tweets mocking the concept.
 
"Global warming" allows orange idiots who can't/won't see a logical link between the warming of the planet as a whole and extreme lows during the cold season to justify (if only in their own minds) sending out mindless tweets mocking the concept.
Says the one who types in orange...
 
Says the one who types in orange...
Yeah, that's been touched on before, though far more cleverly. I myself am not orange, however, and my text color choice is founded in pride for my alma mater:

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Yeah, that's been touched on before, though far more cleverly. I myself am not orange, however, and my text color choice is founded in pride for my alma mater:

UTAustin_logo.jpg
I'm sure. I learned a long time ago not to look for likes or laughs here. I'm not as "witty" like someone said a long time ago.

Though your joke leaves you open for jokes in return.

I'll say what I always say to keep it on topic. THE CLIMATE CHANGES! THE EARTH ISN'T FLAT!
Nothing our taxes need to be wasted on. Just like my time in this thread...
 
Though your joke leaves you open for jokes in return.
What joke? Trump's orange and he mocks global warming on Twitter. I respect the office of the President, but its occupant does not--nothing funny about that.
 
What joke? Trump's orange and he mocks global warming on Twitter. I respect the office of the President, but its occupant does not--nothing funny about that.
That's your opinion. My opinion is all government officials disrespect their position and give themselves a raise every year disrespecting us tax payers.
At least he keeps it real. And I'd bet you'd consider me orange if you looked at me. Like Trumps golf time, you get tan being outside a lot.
 
I'll say what I always say to keep it on topic. THE CLIMATE CHANGES!
Nothing our taxes need to be wasted on. Just like my time in this thread, the earth isn't flat...
In 4.5 billion years one would kind of expect that to happen, I hope so anyway. It's an arrogance by a small minority to insist humans existence is detrimental to the earth whether it is flat or not. Maybe if it was flat we could just sweep all our pollution off the edge.

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