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RESHIRAM5
I personally will miss Yas Marina circuit but the Abu Dhabi GP isn't very well organized as a legit event.

I'll probably be in the minority when I say this but Monaco should either be improved for today's standards or get kicked out entirely. F1 is really the only reason why this track exists and sadly it'll stay that way due to popularity over in Europe.
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Tilke and his pals need to keep their hands away from Monaco, and it should never be dropped. There may not be much action in the race, but the glamour, history, and the cars inches from the walls, thundering through the city is what makes it so special and so popular.

Dropping the Monaco Grand Prix would be like NASCAR getting rid of the Daytona 500, Indycar getting rid of the Indianapolis 500, V8 Supercars dropping the Bathrust 1000, or the WEC/ACO getting rid of the 24 hours of Le Mans.
 
ukfan758
Tilke and his pals need to keep their hands away from Monaco, and it should never be dropped. There may not be much action in the race, but the glamour, history, and the cars inches from the walls, thundering through the city is what makes it so special and so popular.

Dropping the Monaco Grand Prix would be like NASCAR getting rid of the Daytona 500, Indycar getting rid of the Indianapolis 500, V8 Supercars dropping the Bathrust 1000, or the WEC/ACO getting rid of the 24 hours of Le Mans.
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Unlike the Monaco GP. The races you mentioned keep being improved to todays standards of racing. Monaco GP doesn't, though I don't think they can, so personally I reckon it should just be dropped as it seems to only serve good to the nostalgics.
 
One solution for the Monaco GP would be to turn it into a historic special, using cars that could actually overtake there. Cars that the circuit was originally picked out for. Yes, that's right, 1920s-30s beercan cars.
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It would be like the NHL's awesome historic special hockey games, with old jerseys and playing in the freezing cold outdoors, but with current players.

What they could do is get a company like Pur Sang to make Bugatti Type 51 replicas for the race; they would be fitted with rollbars and seatbelts, and chassis strengthening, but everything else would be pretty much the same as the original. And if they get wrecked, there's nothing to worry about as they are "just" replicas. Teams could put their sponsorship liveries on them if they wanted. Since the teams didn't actually build the car, they only get half constructors points, and the drivers get full points. This event would show who the most badass drivers are in the field, as the cars have no driving aids and are all essentially equal. The upsides for the teams are the cutting of costs of preparing a current car for the race, and not having to use up a power unit or gearbox.

Why the Bugatti Type 51, you might ask? Because that was the car that won the 1933 Monaco GP, one of the most dramatic races in the circuit's history, with 21 overtakes for the lead. :D

If Ferrari object to painting a Prancing Horse on a Bugatti engine cover, Pur Sang could even build them a couple of Alfa 8C Monzas for the event. :lol:


No, this is not a serious suggestion. :P However, it would at least be entertaining. :D
 
Monaco GP may not be as interesting as some other races, as a race, but the track itself is probably the most interesting in the season. Just look at an onboard video, and you can see how much more happens in a lap, even if there isn't any overtakes. Apart from couple of corners in some of the more legendary tracks, nothing comes even close to the Monaco, with its close barriers and low grip surface.

Then, you have to remember, it's a legend that has been the highlight of the season for decades. I can't remember who won the German GP in 2012 without checking it from the internet, and I couldn't really even care much, but I don't need to think long before I remember the winner of same year's Monaco GP.
 
Legro
Monaco GP may not be as interesting as some other races, as a race, but the track itself is probably the most interesting in the season. Just look at an onboard video, and you can see how much more happens in a lap, even if there isn't any overtakes. Apart from couple of corners in some of the more legendary tracks, nothing comes even close to the Monaco, with its close barriers and low grip surface.

Then, you have to remember, it's a legend that has been the highlight of the season for decades. I can't remember who won the German GP in 2012 without checking it from the internet, and I couldn't really even care much, but I don't need to think long before I remember the winner of same year's Monaco GP.
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That's where I disagree. Out of all 3 races in the Triple Crown of Motorsport, Monaco GP is the most forgettable. Probably since I'm in Australia where we only care for the Aussie GP but Le Mans and the Indy 500 havethe same treament here. It is an interesting track indeed but I think it would better if the track had Racing with the old school cars, which the tracks suits more and not Driving cars that are pretty much racing on a track that never grew up with them.
 
RESHIRAM5
That's where I disagree. Out of all 3 races in the Triple Crown of Motorsport, Monaco GP is the most forgettable. Probably since I'm in Australia where we only care for the Aussie GP but Le Mans and the Indy 500 havethe same treament here. It is an interesting track indeed but I think it would better if the track had Racing with the old school cars, which the tracks suits more and not Driving cars that are pretty much racing on a track that never grew up with them.
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Indy 500 is only remembered in the US, and the Le Mans 24H is all about the car that wins it. If you want to win one race and be remembered in Europe, Monaco GP is the race that is closest to giving the said outcome. But if you can say that the Monaco GP provides the least interesting races of the season over all the other extremely dull races held all around the world, with straight face, then fair enough.
 
Legro
Indy 500 is only remembered in the US, and the Le Mans 24H is all about the car that wins it. If you want to win one race and be remembered in Europe, Monaco GP is the race that is closest to giving the said outcome. But if you can say that the Monaco GP provides the least interesting races of the season over all the other extremely dull races held all around the world, with straight face, then fair enough.
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F1 is really just about the car too though it is promoted as driver based, :lol:. Which is kinda hard for Le Mans sinceevery car had 3 drivers

I find Indy 500 easier too remember than the Monaco GP here. Probably because the broadcast here treats it just as another F1 Race.

Probably the biggest damage to Monaco GP is how irrelevant it is towards to the F1 Title. It is a lot different compared to the other tracks but whats the bother working hard for this race when no extra points are rewarded in a 15-20 Race Calendar and other tracks are more in common. Indy 500 is an Oval which Indycar has and uses in other races so there are set ups already while Le Mans is worth Double Points in the WEC in a 8 race series, so not getting much points there is damaging, so they need a set up to survive the 24 hours.
 
This conversation is awesome! Get rid of the modern circuits and limit it to the old-fashioned ones. I bet no-one has ever thought of this before!
 
prisonermonkeys
This conversation is awesome! Get rid of the modern circuits and limit it to the old-fashioned ones. I bet no-one has ever thought of this before!
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Carrying on with this idea, we should bring back the AVUS Grand Prix as it was in 1939. That'll make for some thrilling racing...
 
RESHIRAM5
That's where I disagree. Out of all 3 races in the Triple Crown of Motorsport, Monaco GP is the most forgettable.
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In your opinion, of course.

RESHIRAM5
It is an interesting track indeed but I think it would better if the track had Racing with the old school cars, which the tracks suits more and not Driving cars that are pretty much racing on a track that never grew up with them.
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It does.

And which track "grew up with the cars"? Few teams field an identical prototype in two consecutive races, certainly not in consecutive years. And some of the drivers grew up there :)

Monaco is a fascinating country and an amazing place to visit. It's an incredibly difficult track with a surprisingly low average speed but that makes for an amazing F1 spectacle. Its often one of the most action-packed races of the year and, most importantly, it's the shop-window for F1 in the home of the truly rich aka the people who really pay for F1.

It would be a tragedy if it fell from the calendar but I genuinely doubt that will happen in Bernie's lifetime.
 
TenEightyOne
In your opinion, of course.



It does.

And which track "grew up with the cars"? Few teams field an identical prototype in two consecutive races, certainly not in consecutive years. And some of the drivers grew up there :)

Monaco is a fascinating country and an amazing place to visit. It's an incredibly difficult track with a surprisingly low average speed but that makes for an amazing F1 spectacle. Its often one of the most action-packed races of the year and, most importantly, it's the shop-window for F1 in the home of the truly rich aka the people who really pay for F1.

It would be a tragedy if it fell from the calendar but I genuinely doubt that will happen in Bernie's lifetime.
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When I mean "growing up with the cars". I mean that most tracks have improvements for modern cars so it still has a lot of action (not crash action, more on the lines of close racing action) and safer. Monaco is way too squished in for todays cars and it looks pretty uncomfortable too, as there seems to be no flow on the track too, kinda like a 2 year old designed it, using something basic. I'll admit it is pretty popular but I feel like it is now only because of what it was in the past. If it never existed before hand, it wouldn't get this much popularity in Europe. It's really just a race for "nostalgics".
 
RESHIRAM5
Monaco is way too squished in for todays cars and it looks pretty uncomfortable too
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In which era do you think it was most suited to fast racing cars? The days when they used to drop into the harbour?

RESHIRAM5
there seems to be no flow on the track too, kinda like a 2 year old designed it, using something basic
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I did read what they used, I think it was something to do with "where the streets already were".

RESHIRAM5
I'll admit it is pretty popular but I feel like it is now only because of what it was in the past. If it never existed before hand, it wouldn't get this much popularity in Europe. It's really just a race for "nostalgics".
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I have to disagree, it's a race that throws up drama of one kind or another each year.
 
TenEightyOne
In which era do you think it was most suited to fast racing cars? The days when they used to drop into the harbour?



I did read what they used, I think it was something to do with "where the streets already were".



I have to disagree, it's a race that throws up drama of one kind or another each year.
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I guess this track isn't made for cars like this at all. :lol:.

I actually find that to be lazy track design, though I have this issue with other street tracks so MGP isn't the
only one to blame.

Yeah, the drama of watching Maldanado do something stupid and someone with an OP car lead the entire race.,,
 
RESHIRAM5
I actually find that to be lazy track design, though I have this issue with other street tracks so MGP isn't the
only one to blame.
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You find following the streets in a tiny principality like Monte Carlo to be "lazy track design"? Not much point discussing it then.

Have you ever actually been there? I'm guessing not...
 
Like I said, I have this issue with other street tracks. Since the tracks weren't originallly designed for racing and are not even improved on when it is used for racing. I can just make a race track using the streets near my house if it meant getting a popular GP.
 
RESHIRAM5
Since the tracks weren't originallly designed for racing and are not even improved on when it is used for racing. I can just make a race track using the streets near my house if it meant getting a popular GP.
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If you think Monaco hasn't been improved with racing in mind over previous years then you haven't watched it for very long at all.

The street race near your house sounds good. Providing you live in an enclave of some of the richest people in your hemisphere, in a principality built on the side of a steep hill and have a harbour where billionaires park then it should really evoke the whole Monaco-in-the-Southern-Hemisphere thing.

Don't be lazy though, remember to knock down schools/hospitals/casinos/apartments if they interfere with your vision.
 
TenEightyOne
If you think Monaco hasn't been improved with racing in mind over previous years then you haven't watched it for very long at all.

The street race near your house sounds good. Providing you live in an enclave of some of the richest people in your hemisphere, in a principality built on the side of a steep hill and have a harbour where billionaires park then it should really evoke the whole Monaco-in-the-Southern-Hemisphere thing.

Don't be lazy though, remember to knock down schools/hospitals/casinos/apartments if they interfere with your vision.
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I don't see anything new with M.G.P design since 1996...
 
prisonermonkeys
They did actually unveil plans for a circuit a while ago done by Apex - the group who did the Silverstone reconfiguration - but nothing happened because of sanctions.
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Iran don't allow lots of TV companies like the BBC in the country at all, so that would make a GP impossible to cover properly.
 
GTPorsche
That Monaco layout had changes done to it a couple times in the 2000s.
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Can't recall many changes since the swimming pool complex was made a lot faster for the 1997 race, other than a few relaxed bits here and there. The modified Harbor Chicane added to the circuit length a smidgen for the '86 race. Before that, Saint Devote had the traffic island added in '76, but the swimming pool, Rascasse, and Anthony Nouges were the biggest changes for the '73 event. Otherwise, I think it was the same layout from 1929 to 1972; much of today's circuit is along the exact same alignment, out of necessity.

It's such a nuisance of a track, but that place just seeps tradition and history, even if there isn't a single yacht nor movie star around.
 
The swimming pool complex was opened up more on exit around 04 or 05 I think, along with the pitlane exit extending around turn 1 instead of emptying out into higher speed track. The run up to Rascasse was also adjusted. Nothing major, of course, since there's nothing major they could do without redeveloping and rerouting the city itself.
 

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