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The whole point of stopping radio coaching is because drivers are the ones that are suppose to be driving the cars, not the teams in the pits.
 
twitcher
Do they honestly think teams won't find a way to circumvent this, by basically talking in code, and then playing ignorant?
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They can certainly try, but they are limited to approved subjects. It would be very hard to make the case that "the recipe calls for three eggs" refers to an approved subject. And they can't really play dumb, since why are they talking about their dinner plans in the middle of a race? In terms of penalising it, the stewards won't have any choice but to penalise any communication that isn't explicitly linked to approved subjects because they can't take the chance that the teams are trying to circumvent the ban. Sure, it presumes guilt, but the teams can't afford to risk it. And they will have to go along with it to show that they are serious about responding to fans.

There is already a partial ban in effect - this was actually something that the FIA wanted to introduce last year, but went for a scaled-back version. At the moment, teams cannot discuss the performance of other drivers, such as where a rival is stronger than them in qualifying. There haven't been any problems - aside from the occasional message of "How far back is Driver X? / I can't tell you that, mate" - so far, so this is nothing new to the teams and drivers.
 
GTPorsche
The whole point of stopping radio coaching is because drivers are the ones that are suppose to be driving the cars, not the teams in the pits.
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I understand why they would want to limit the communication. I think maybe why I'm struggling with the idea so much is that, to me, it seems like F1 is so far down the rabbit hole, that this seems like a rather strange attempt to dig itself out.


My dad is the one who got me into F1 and racing in general as a kid. He's since turned into a bit of a hippy, and has completely fallen out of touch with motorsport, but we still have conversations about it on a certain level. I'm trying to picture the conversation between him and I where I'm trying to explain this concept of pre-approved radio communication, and I can't picture him having any reaction other than drawing a completely blank face, pausing, and then bursting out into hysterical laughter.

I can almost gaurentee he would say something along the lines of "So why not get rid of the damn radio all together...saves weight no?"

To which I woild reply "I don't know...probably for safety reasons?" At which point he would scoff (he grew up in Europe in the 50s and 60s, watching the gnarliest of the gnarly...he's not too keen on safety culture :lol:) and change the subject.

Not sure what that has to do with anything...I'm rambling now, sorry.
prisonermonkeys
They can certainly try, but they are limited to approved subjects. It would be very hard to make the case that "the recipe calls for three eggs" refers to an approved subject. And they can't really play dumb, since why are they talking about their dinner plans in the middle of a race? In terms of penalising it, the stewards won't have any choice but to penalise any communication that isn't explicitly linked to approved subjects because they can't take the chance that the teams are trying to circumvent the ban. Sure, it presumes guilt, but the teams can't afford to risk it. And they will have to go along with it to show that they are serious about responding to fans.

There is already a partial ban in effect - this was actually something that the FIA wanted to introduce last year, but went for a scaled-back version. At the moment, teams cannot discuss the performance of other drivers, such as where a rival is stronger than them in qualifying. There haven't been any problems - aside from the occasional message of "How far back is Driver X? / I can't tell you that, mate" - so far, so this is nothing new to the teams and drivers.
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Ya, I suppose that could work, hadn't thought of it from the "presumed guilty" approach. I guess we'll have to wait until Belgium to see.

Also, I wasn't aware of the current restrictions :dopey: Like I said, I'm a casual. Can I come watch F1 at your place? You really know your stuff 👍
 
I'm watching the World Touring Car Championship from Vila Real in Portugal. If ever Formula 1 wanted to revive the Portuguese Grand Prix, this is the place they should do it (provided that they get rid of the chicanes):

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It's very fast - the average lap speed for a touring car is 140km/h, even with the second-gear chicanes - and full of undulations and fast sweepers.
 
prisonermonkeys
There haven't been any problems - aside from the occasional message of "How far back is Driver X? / I can't tell you that, mate" - so far, so this is nothing new to the teams and drivers.
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And something along the lines of

Hamilton: How's the weather in Turn 1?

Team: Looking nice.
 
prisonermonkeys
I'm watching the World Touring Car Championship from Vila Real in Portugal. If ever Formula 1 wanted to revive the Portuguese Grand Prix, this is the place they should do it (provided that they get rid of the chicanes):

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It's very fast - the average lap speed for a touring car is 140km/h, even with the second-gear chicanes - and full of undulations and fast sweepers.
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That track is amazing. I've been waiting all year to see WTCC on it. Will be watching the replay later tonight :)

Here's some automotive porn. This has become of one my favorite videos to watch. The track is spectacular. This is what an F1 track should be :lol:

 
prisonermonkeys
I'm watching the World Touring Car Championship from Vila Real in Portugal. If ever Formula 1 wanted to revive the Portuguese Grand Prix, this is the place they should do it (provided that they get rid of the chicanes):

Circuito_Internacional_de_Vila_Real.png


It's very fast - the average lap speed for a touring car is 140km/h, even with the second-gear chicanes - and full of undulations and fast sweepers.
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I think Estoril or Portimao would be better and I doubt they would be santised as much if at all.
 
I've always had great fun racing Indycars in Grid Autosport and F1 cars from various seasons around Portimao. I'd say go for it - oh wait, Bernie's gonna make them pay through the nose to host.
 
The first corner (without the chicane), the last corner (either version) and the bit across the top of the hill are good, but the rest of it is just long straights linked by hairpins.
 
Singapore is being slightly changed for this years race.
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In terms of corners to edit, this was a good choice. The 11/12 chicane was just one of those awkward chicanes that wasn't brilliant. It'll be interesting to see the other side of the bridge being used.
 
I'm trying to picture the track out in my head and it's just not working. I'll have to have a look at a picture later.
 
Looks interesting. A straighter exit, so should allow for higher entry and mid corner speeds, as well as higher exit speeds. Hopefully they can carry enough speeds through the chicane to make the right hand kink onto the bridge somewhat challenging.

Don't see it helping the bottleneck that is Singapore though...
 
The circuit needs to be faster really, as it's been timed out a few times now (and it would be worse if it had rained in any of them). I still think that the idea of carrying on from turn 7 a bit longer, going around the memorial and through a fast chicane into the current turn 9 would be perfect. (Almost) same distance as the current track, a longer straight for overtaking, a fast chicane and an increase in average lap speed. WinWinWinWin situation.
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6672609
 
Codemasters have their work cut out for them now! :lol:
 
I'm liking the change. Probably won't lead to overtaking, but it looks like it allows the drivers to carry a lot more speed through there.
 
Jimlaad43
The circuit needs to be faster really, as it's been timed out a few times now (and it would be worse if it had rained in any of them).
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Arguably the tight nature of the circuit leads to more nerfs/bodywork losses and therefore more safety cars. Still, if every race ran at Lewis Hamilton's fastest lap pace for 2014 (110.40s) then the race would have taken 1h 52 min, clearly too long. I agree that this is probably a good change for that reason although it'll only be worth about 5s a lap, I think. For 61 laps that's a benefit of roughly 5min.
 
niky
I'm liking the change. Probably won't lead to overtaking, but it looks like it allows the drivers to carry a lot more speed through there.
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I think that the most that could be hoped for is that it might open up extra lines into Turn 13; a tight entry with wide exit and wide entry with tight exit. That, in turn, would allow drivers to get a better run along the Esplanade Bridge and maybe create an overtaking opportunity into Turn 14.
 
I'm guessing that the New Jersey organizers have abandoned ship? There hasn't been any word about them in about a year.
 
prisonermonkeys
Baku circuit layout has approval - they're just waiting on homologation, because from the sounds of things, they're trying to do some interesting stuff with their temporary structures to allow them to set up and pack up much faster, which, if it works, will have some interesting ramifications fkr future projects:

http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120210/baku-waiting-for-circuit-approval
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I think the FIA will want that mile long straight split in half along with a safer pit entry.
 
It's almost 3/4 of a mile.

I agree that there's something to be done on the pit lane access. like putting a chicane there or something.
 
Damn that's a lot of left turns....for some reason I've got the Southpark episode about NASCAR running through my head, Cartman yelling "Turn Left!!!"
 

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