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prisonermonkeys
According to Spanish newspapers, Bernie wants to move the Spanish Grand Prix away from Barcelona once the current contract runs out in 2017, and instead have the race in Madrid.
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Hope it is Jarama and not another frickin street circuit. Jarama has a similar old-school vibe to how i imagine Interlagos is. It would need some serious infrastructure work though.
 
The drivers used to hate Jarama. It was (and still is) slow corners linked by short straights. Why do you think Gilles Villeneuve was able to win there in 1981 in an underpowered Ferrari? All he had to do was stick his elbows out on the main straight and there was nothing anyone could do.
 
prisonermonkeys
The drivers used to hate Jarama. It was (and still is) slow corners linked by short straights. Why do you think Gilles Villeneuve was able to win there in 1981 in an underpowered Ferrari? All he had to do was stick his elbows out on the main straight and there was nothing anyone could do.
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Just to note, it wasn't the engine that was the problem with the 126 C, it was the aerodynamic efficiency, or therein lack of.

But I agree, Jarama was a terrible circuit for drivers.
 
Pupik
Try as I might, I've never thought that the casino owners would allow for streets in and around their pleasure palaces to be closed off, and this, to be financially inconvenienced. Most tourists and locals get around on foot in the area, as well as by limo, taxi, and shuttle services, so that doesn't help them in any way.

Pipe dream or video game concept at best; this Vegas circuit idea was floated around 1997 or so but once Indianapolis opened up for an option, it was quietly shelved. Of course, there was that Caesar's Palace parking lot (by my eyes, it was a really large expanse of pavement) but let's not bring that up again.
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Yup, Vegas was the worst F1 race ever - I can't see them going back there.

prisonermonkeys
The drivers used to hate Jarama. It was (and still is) slow corners linked by short straights
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Okay, maybe the worst after Jarama...
 
No, Caesar's Palace was the worst. Zeltweg was also pretty poor. And so were Aida, Le Mans Bugatti and the short form of Buenos Aires.
 
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I don't see much wrong with Jarama. I prefer Jerez but this is still much better than anything you know who has done.

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You know, if you turned the section from turns three through five into one high speed corner it'd be a much better layout.
 
Roger the Horse
You know, if you turned the section from turns three through five into one high speed corner it'd be a much better layout.
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The section between the 1st turn and turn 6 are the best part of the circuit. Plenty of overtaking opportunities, even in a modern high-powered single seater.
 
Face it guys, there aren't actually any circuits in Spain that would make a good F1 race. The ones that have been used were either unsafe (Pedralbes, Montjuic) or just crap for racing (Jerez, Jarama, Catalunya, Valencia). Other circuits there (Monteblanco, Aragon, Valencia) would also be dull as hell. Basically, Spain either needs to give up on F1 or create a whole new track (and we all know how popular that would be).
 
Out of interest, just how inappropriate would Montjuic be for modern F1 cars in comparision to, say, Monaco?

My guess would be very.
 
Montjuic is much faster circuit than Monaco is, so speed would be big problem.

I don't see F1 going there again, except for some non-race event.
 
prisonermonkeys
No, Caesar's Palace was the worst. Zeltweg was also pretty poor. And so were Aida, Le Mans Bugatti and the short form of Buenos Aires.
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I didn't realise they'd ever raced on Bugatti - I'll have to go look it up.

Caesar's Palace, more specificallly the car park of Caesar's Palace, yes, probably was the worst of all time. That was back in the days when the sport was just becoming really rich/corrupt but without being too worried about delivering a TV spectacle. In my opinion, naturally.

For all the anti-Tilke-ism (a lot of it from me, over the years), I was really impressed with Sochi (Turn 1/2 notwithstanding). I think the only reason the race was a bit pants was the tyre, hard enough to outlast most team's brake pads.
 
I'd probably get back into following F1 if they cut down the calender. Too many silly races at awful tracks.

Give me Albert Park, Imola, Algarve, Catalunya (as has been said, it's not like there's anywhere better in Spain to hold it), Monaco, Gilles Villeneuve, Spielberg, Brands Hatch, Nurburgring, Spa, Monza, Singapore, Suzuka, Austin, and Interlagos. Then I'll be happy.
 
Roger the Horse
I'd probably get back into following F1 if they cut down the calender. Too many silly races at awful tracks.

Give me Albert Park, Imola, Algarve, Catalunya (as has been said, it's not like there's anywhere better in Spain to hold it), Monaco, Gilles Villeneuve, Spielberg, Brands Hatch, Nurburgring, Spa, Monza, Singapore, Suzuka, Austin, and Interlagos. Then I'll be happy.
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I agree with the silliness but there's also lots of $$$ in the silliness, so tracks like Sochi, Bahrain and Abu Dhabi won't be leaving the F1 Calendar anytime soon.

Side note: Was it intentional in design for Estoril and Catalunya to look so similar?
 
I've wondered that too for many years, but I think that's just a coincidence for compact track layouts with long straights. Although, Estoril was constructed in 1972, while Catalunya was completed in 1991...though on the same peninsula. It should be noted Barcelona's track was created in a rather short span of time; I recall mentions that its asphalt was laid down about two weeks before the GP.

Jarama was also a very narrow circuit, like Zeltweg and Jerez. Still, you can have all the room in the world (Buddh, for example), but if there's too much tire slag and/or marbles, overtaking will be limited.
 
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Qatar is reportedly looking at setting up a race from 2017 to bolster their international sporting profile ahead of the 2022 World Cup. Losail is the obvious candidate, but a street race has been floated as a possibility.
 
prisonermonkeys
Qatar is reportedly looking at setting up a race from 2017 to bolster their international sporting profile ahead of the 2022 World Cup. Losail is the obvious candidate, but a street race has been floated as a possibility.
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Guess their planning on building the street track with illegal slaves too. But bernie won't see that. He'll just see the money.
 
otakukid96
So, apparently Korea may be coming back next year?
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Interesting, standing grid restarts abandoned and race-suspensions now send the drivers into the pit fast lane in race order, they queue at the exit.

"When a race is suspended, the pit exit will be closed and all cars must now proceed slowly into the pit lane, not the starting grid. The first car to arrive in the pit lane should proceed directly to the pit exit staying in the fast lane, all the other cars should form up in a line behind the first car."
 
It was expected..

The FIA wanted to move the Korean race to the early part of the season for 2014, but the organizers didn't have the money to do so, so they took the year off..

It was strange that they didn't appeared in the first lists.

I think it was going to be the same with India, but I guess the idea was dropped along with the GP...
 
I find it odd that the race is returning, but the venue has not been finalised given that Korea only has one Grade-1 circuit.
 
prisonermonkeys
I find it odd that the race is returning, but the venue has not been finalised given that Korea only has one Grade-1 circuit.
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I suspect that the whole event is TBC rather than the track; as you say they only have one suitable circuit so unless there's some suggestion of a street circuit (which I haven't heard) it's the only explanation that makes sense.
 

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