The Green Hell Project

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  1. BeardedWolf

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    So, I've always wanted to do time trails on the Nurburgring, so I am...across several games. I was gonna do the 24 Hour endurance course, but for the sake of conformity, I'm just doing Nordshliefe.

    But, so far, the games are:


    Project Gotham Racing 2 - Xbox - November 17, 2003
    Gran Turismo 4 - Playstation 2 -December 28, 2004
    Forza Motorsport - Xbox - May 5, 2005
    Enthusia Professional Racing - Playstation 2 - May 17, 2005
    Project Gotham Racing 3 - Xbox 360 - November 22, 2005
    Tourist Trophy - Playstation 2 - April 4, 2006
    GTR 2 - PC - September 29, 2006
    Forza Motorsport 2 - Xbox 360 - May 29, 2007
    Race 07 - PC - October 1, 2007
    Project Gotham Racing 4 - Xbox 360 - October 2, 2007
    iRacing - PC - August 26, 2008
    Forza Motorsport 3 - Xbox 360 - October 27, 2009
    Gran Turismo 5 - Playstation 3 - November 24, 2010
    Need For Speed Shift 2 Unleashed - PC - March 29, 2011
    Forza Motorsport 4 - Xbox 360 - October 11, 2011
    Gran Turismo 6 - Playstation 3 - December 6, 2013
    Assetto Corsa - PC - December 19, 2014
    Project Cars - Playstation 4 - May 6, 2015
    Automobilista - PC - February 29, 2016
    Project Cars 2 - Playstation 4 - September 21, 2017
    Forza Motorsport 7 - PC - October 3, 2017
    Gran Turismo Sport - Playstation 4 - October 17, 2017
    Ride 3 - Playstation 4 - November 30, 2018



    23+ Games, 7000+ cars, over 100,000 miles.

    Some minor rules:

    1. For the sake of time, I'm allowing handling upgrades except for Shift 2 where I'm doing a Works Run. (Also, Assetto Corsa, the Project Gotham games and Project Cars 2 don't have upgrades, so those will be stock runs.)
    2. Penalties off when I can. It's a 13 mile course, I'd rather not have to redo laps because I touched a wheel off and the game invalidated it. (This has caused me to do single races usually, because...it's just easier...and better. I can set it to one lap and not have to worry about over driving. No issues so far except AC because...it's AC.)

    Notes:
    - Generally, I'm run things either by class or by power. I like to do HP 'cause it gets faster and faster. But, some games, like PGR it's just easier to do by class. I won't do by make 'cause...some games have like 100 Fords and 100 Nissans and I'd rather not be stuck in a single make for 8 years.
    - I'm not the Stig. My times probably won't be super awesome. That's not the point. The point is actually two fold: 1. Fun. 2. Curiosity. I want to do a master list at the end and compare the same car across different games. Because handling and physics models change. So, that will be interesting to see.
    - I will add other games to the list later. I wanna add GT6, GT4, Tourist Trophy and Ride 3 just to have variety.
    - No RaceRoom 'cause...I'm not paying $116 dollars for it. I mean, it has SOME free cars, but most of them are locked behind real money and no. Just no.
    - I might add iRacing later. And I'll add AC2 eventually. And Grid 2019 if it has Nordshliefe.
    - I have a life outside of this project. I have other projects I'm working outside of gaming, so...I will work on this when I feel like it, pretty much. Also, there are games coming out that will probably keep me from this like Cyberpunk 2077.

    Link to my lap times: https://www.icloud.com/numbers/09vCxiiPKT8LaYvn9gJriUb0g#The_Green_Hell_Project_Super_List

    (P.S. Mods, I have no idea where to put this. There's no "general racing game discussion" thread, so...I'm putting it here and you can move it if you want.
    P.P.S. I'm starting with Assetto Corsa 'cause it's the earliest game I have access to. 'Cause I need a new 360 controller.)
     
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  2. Silver Arrows

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    So like this, but more wide ranging?
     
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  3. BeardedWolf

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    Yeah. But...If I did a car a day, I'd never finish the list. I mean...Forza 7 has like 837 cars. GTS has around 250....Yeah. I think I have like 2000+ cars to take around the Ring. It'll be fun. It's pretty relaxing.

    I've found AC and GTS, if I'm doing single races, I HAVE to have an opponent. But, I might switch AC to PC 'cause I can just run Time Trials with no penalties on the PC version. And I can add mods. Although, in that case it might be lower on the list. Just because....the amount of cars will grow. That's why Forza 7 is last on the list. It has the most cars by far despite it coming out like a week before GTS. (That is until I add GT4 and GT6 to the list, at least. And who knows how many cars GT7 will have.)
     
  4. BeardedWolf

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    Did the math, and I'll be doing close to 5000 laps of the Green Hell. Fun.
     
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    Well, at least you'll know your way round it by then.
     
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  6. BeardedWolf

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    Yeah. I'll be a the male, less good in every way version of Sabine Schmidt.
     
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    Just a bit of trivia for you:

    Assuming an average lap time of 8 and half minutes then 5000 laps will take around 30 days to complete - if you drive 24 hours a day, so if you budget for 2 hours a day it'll take you a year.

    Also during that period you'll drive a distance equivalent to that of 2.6 times around the earth (64,500 miles), which just happens to be the distance the Earth covers in around an hour while orbiting the Sun.

    Good luck mate.
     
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  8. BeardedWolf

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    There's a reason why I'm calling it the "Green Hell Project." Double meanings are fun.

    Also, it'll actually be closer to 6000 laps. Especially with mods. But...A year of Nurburgring isn't bad. And I get to experience the track trough the years. (I think I'm going by car count now. Just because I need a Xbox 360 controller, a PS2 controller and memory card if my PS2 still works and a PS3. Maybe I'll get a racing wheel in there somewhere, but, we'll see.
     
  9. BeardedWolf

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    So, after doing some thinking, I'm gonna go chronological order for games which currently puts GT4 and it's....well the 582 cars I'm doing first. I'm also not doing F1 style cars 'cause...we know they're super fast and...I don't wanna.
     
  10. BeardedWolf

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    Editorials

    Part 1: The Beginning - Project Gotham Racing 2 and Gran Turismo 4

    So, what was the first non-F1 game to feature the Nordschleife? As far as I can tell, that honor belongs to Project Gotham Racing 2. A game, which I dismissed 'cause the amount of work to unlock it is...a lot, but now that I realize it's genesis, I might go ahead and add it back to the list. PGR2 is the sequel to Project Gotham Racing (duh) which is a spiritual sequel to the Dreamcast game Metropolis Street Racer. It was MSR where the Kudos system that is seen in...MANY games today started.

    Project Gotham Racing 2 was developed by now defunct Bizarre Creations and I, at least, consider that series to be incredibly important. I mean, it was also one of the first "serious" racers that featured trucks and SUVs, including the Ram SRT10 as a DLC and as well as having the Kudos system and trucks, it also featured the Nurburgring Nordschliefe. Though, the Nurburgring has appeared in earlier games - going all the way back to Endurance in 1985. Endurance was a Superbike sim. - It was it's appearance in PGR2 that started a trend. Also, having a serious, technical track like the Nordshleife in PGR2, definitely cemented the series' theme of straddling the line between a arcade racer and a simulator, something the NFS series has tried a few times and I think Project Cars does to an extent today.

    However, I don't think it was until Nordschleife's inclusion in Gran Turismo 4 that REALLY inspired it to be put in...every other racing game under the sun. Like, you couldn't really take yourself seriously as a racing sim if you DIDN'T have Nordschleife after that. GT4 came out a year after PGR2 and featured 700+ cars. Whereas PGR focused on more sporty vehicles, GT4 was focused on automotive history and featured everything from Modern LMPs to the Honda Element to the Toyota Prius and the 1hp Diamler Motor Carriage. GT4 also has HDTV support, which...for this project, is welcome.


    NOTE: I'll periodically post this as I get to each game. Do a little history. Not really a review, just talking about the games and why they are important or what makes them unique. I will probably also start pictures when I can.
     
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  11. BeardedWolf

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    So, executive decision: I won't be doing ALL of the cars in PGR2. I've unlocked most of them. I think my plan is to come back to it at some other date and finish it, but for now...I'm running what I got with unlocked.

    Also, gonna add total times per game. Should be...scary.
     
  12. MrCrynox

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    I remember being introduced to the Ring via PGR2 it was dazzling that a track so big was in a game. At first I remember thinking how am I ever going to learn all of this, it seemed far too much to take in at the time. It was a great experience that led into GT4's version, which was quite a shock as it was so narrow, had more elevation & bumps, it was amazing! I couldn't get enough of it. Great memories :)
     
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  13. BeardedWolf

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    Yeah. I am impressed with PGR2 in that it has an actual see-through ghost, which...GT4 does not...a game on a newer, better system with all those lovely better graphics and it has a VERY not-see-through ghost. So...props to Bizarre Creations in that forward thinking. You don't know how important is until, you're on the ring and the your ghost is blocking your view.

    Anyway...I also have a dilemma: Google docs, for, whatever reason, can't add the times together. But...Apple's Pages can. So, what I might end up doing it making pages the main place I put in times and then I can just have a super list of every car, every game, every time on Google docs. So the list you guys see probably won't get updated much. Once I finish a game, I'll just add it to the Super List and probably have it default sorted by time.
     
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  14. BeardedWolf

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    So, I'm adding GT5 and Forza 1-3 to the list. No 5 and 6 'cause I don't want to buy another Xbox One. If Forza 5 and 6 come to Play Anywhere, sure. I would to GT6: Apex, but...I don't know. I might have to do testing on that one.
     
  15. BeardedWolf

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    PGR2 is complete! For now, anyway! Onto GT4.
     
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    I hope you already have all of the cars in GT5, as obtaining all of them is a feat in itself (I'm sure the same applies to other games on your list).
     
  17. BeardedWolf

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    I don't remember. I think I should have all the cars. But...not entirely sure. We'll see when I get a PS3 and if those game files still exist in the cloud.

    I know Forza 1 is gonna be a pain. The PS2 games I can cheat. Forza 1 I can cheat to either unlock all the cars and start at level 50 or have 900,000,000 credits at the start. The problem with the level 50 start, is you don't get any of the rewards, so, it'd be far more grinding. So, I'm doing he 900 mill start.

    But yeah. Like Gran Turismo Sport I've been doing 3 daily laps via custom race so I have a chance of either unlocking one of the super expensive cars or getting enough money too. (Although, I might just switch to time trials 'cause I've worked out I can't actually earn enough money from the dailies to buy the 15-20 million credit cars.)

    Most of the Forza games are great for this 'cause I think like 2-7 I can just drive all the cars from the start via rentals. But...I guess that will be part of the journey: Unlocking or buying all the cars.
     
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    No Enthusia?
     
  19. BeardedWolf

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    It's on my master list. I just forgot to add the PS2 games. GT4, Tourist Trophy and Enthusia. I'm excited for Enthusia.
     
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