The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Danny]

Why are idiots like him allowed to be president?

He hasn't so much been allowed as he assumed power and took out any opposition.

 

[Dan]

He hasn't so much been allowed as he assumed power and took out any opposition.

So... a bullet in the head for each opposing person?

 

[Danny]

Sometimes worse.

Although his favourite approach is political strong-arming.

 

[Liquid]

But let's not forget the British-sponsored Lancaster House Agreement which paved his way into power, and the honorary knighthood bestowed upon him by the Queen herself, in 1994.

While we send troops to Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq and so on, we just quietly pretend that Zimbabwe doesn't exist and hope it'll all go away.

 

[Carbonox]

But let's not forget the British-sponsored Lancaster House Agreement which paved his way into power, and the honorary knighthood bestowed upon him by the Queen herself, in 1994.

While we send troops to Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq and so on, we just quietly pretend that Zimbabwe doesn't exist and hope it'll all go away.

Why would anyone care? They don't have oil.

 

[Danoff]

http://planetivy.co.uk/offbeat/56531/mugabe-tells-gay-couples-to-have-a-baby-or-they-face-jail/

Got a mature anti-gay argument here. 👍

Somehow heterosexual couples who are infertile are always forgotten about in that argument.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Why would anyone care? They don't have oil.

Please educate yourself before bringing up that bull:censored:

Thank you.

 

[FoolKiller]

Why are idiots like him allowed to be president?

Guns, lots of guns.

 

[hogger129]

i don't care. if they want to call it marriage who cares?

 

[Spurgy 777]

i don't care. if they want to call it marriage who cares?

Lots of people unfortunately.

 

[Liquid]

Question of curiosity:

What UK laws, acts and statutes prevent or outlaw equal marriage at the moment?

 

[ASH32]

Lots of people unfortunately.

Yes like all the religious groups, these idiots even held a demo in my town at the weekend. It's not like anyone is trying to force them to agree with it or force them to marry homosexuals and yet they still protest. 👎

 

[Spurgy 777]

Yes like all the religious groups, these idiots are even holding a demo in my town at the weekend. It's not like anyone is trying to force them to agree with it or force them to marry homosexuals and yet they still protest. 👎

But they're arrogant enough to think, "I don't agree with it, therefore it can't possibly be allowed to happen".

 

[hogger129]

But they're arrogant enough to think, "I don't agree with it, therefore it can't possibly be allowed to happen".

i think the point he's making is that many people are indifferent and both sides of the issue force their opinions on them. i don't care. life is too short to be complaining about such things. i dont think god has a patent on marriage, nor does the church, and i dont see why gay people feel the need to go around announcing it to the whole world. i think if they want marriage, they should just get married and stop trying to make everybody accept them.

 

[Joel]

The reality is that once gay marriage becomes legal, it does just kinda go away. It's been legal here for close to 10 years, and it's just a fact of life. It's no more controversial in Canada than an interracial couple would be (read: not at all). Unfortunately, it appears that in some countries there's too many people who think that it makes Jesus cry so they should remain oppressed.

 

[Dotini]

The reality is that once gay marriage becomes legal, it does just kinda go away. It's been legal here for close to 10 years, and it's just a fact of life. It's no more controversial in Canada than an interracial couple would be (read: not at all). Unfortunately, it appears that in some countries there's too many people who think that it makes Jesus cry so they should remain oppressed.

Homosexuality remains taboo in the Islamic world. It's not faring all that well in Africa, home to Christians, Muslims and animists alike.

What is the situation in China? And in Russia?

Is it true that homosexuality is accepted only in wealthy, effete, decadent Western societies?

 

[Spurgy 777]

i think the point he's making is that many people are indifferent and both sides of the issue force their opinions on them. i don't care. life is too short to be complaining about such things. i dont think god has a patent on marriage, nor does the church, and i dont see why gay people feel the need to go around announcing it to the whole world. i think if they want marriage, they should just get married and stop trying to make everybody accept them.

I don't think that was the point at all, he was complaining about the religious protesters who want to impose rules on gays, just because it's against their own beliefs. You might as well say, why didn't the black people just stop being slaves if they wanted freedom, gay marriage is just as impossible in some places.

 

[VanquishedFox]

As an openly gay person, I personally don't understand the big issue with gay marriage.

I was raised in a Catholic, semi-liberal household. When I was 14, I told my parents that I had feelings for males and not females. They told me that no matter what I did or felt, God would still love me and so would they. This was a few years ago, maybe 2009. Since then it's become a big issue with Proposition 8 being passed and then struck down. My parents even switched churches, even though I don't go to church with them, because the original one was very homophobic.

I wish more religious people could be as accepting and loving as my parents. Of course, I also wish that the entire gay marriage thing wasn't as big of a deal as it currently is. It shouldn't even be an issue; the fact is that if you're denying someone the right to get married, you're denying them human rights that are guaranteed in the 14th Amendment, even though it's not directly stated. Getting Married doesn't just give you a "Mrs. or Mr." title. It means something, which I think people are forgetting.

But, yeah, there's my 2 cents.

 

[Danny]

They told me that no matter what I did or felt, God would still love me and so would they.

Now that's Christian. 👍

 

[Spurgy 777]

Now that's Christian. 👍

No, that's being a decent human being

 

[Danny]

Not really my point, but yes.

 

[Danoff]

Now that's Christian. 👍

No it's not.

People love to pretend that Christianity is just about being a wonderful human being, but according to the bible, Christianity and the Christian God are very much proponents of intolerance.

I've attended Christian sermons in which it was explained under no uncertain circumstances that being a good person is no substitute for being a Christian. Christians are ordained by god because they believe in him. A murderer who is Christian can repent his sins and in the eyes of god is a "decent human being", while someone who was good to his fellow man throughout his life without exception but who does not accept Jesus Christ is not a "decent human being" but is instead a monster who must be tortured for eternity.

Belief is all that matters.

 

[Encyclopedia]

Homosexuality remains taboo in the Islamic world. It's not faring all that well in Africa, home to Christians, Muslims and animists alike.

What is the situation in China? And in Russia?

Is it true that homosexuality is accepted only in wealthy, effete, decadent Western societies?

Not good. Not good at all it seems.

http://www.travelandescape.ca/2013/07/russia-says-it-will-arrest-openly-gay-tourists/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferc7df4&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Danny]

No it's not.

'Now that's what Christians occasionally claim to be their values' sounded a bit cynical.

 

[Brett]

As an openly gay person, I personally don't understand the big issue with gay marriage.

I was raised in a Catholic, semi-liberal household. When I was 14, I told my parents that I had feelings for males and not females. They told me that no matter what I did or felt, God would still love me and so would they. This was a few years ago, maybe 2009. Since then it's become a big issue with Proposition 8 being passed and then struck down. My parents even switched churches, even though I don't go to church with them, because the original one was very homophobic.

I wish more religious people could be as accepting and loving as my parents. Of course, I also wish that the entire gay marriage thing wasn't as big of a deal as it currently is. It shouldn't even be an issue; the fact is that if you're denying someone the right to get married, you're denying them human rights that are guaranteed in the 14th Amendment, even though it's not directly stated. Getting Married doesn't just give you a "Mrs. or Mr." title. It means something, which I think people are forgetting.

But, yeah, there's my 2 cents.

Sounds like your parents are a good set of humans.

 

[Villain]

'Now that's what Christians occasionally claim to be their values' sounded a bit cynical.

For what it's worth, I completely understood your first statement as you meant it. 👍

 

[B1G_HEAD_M0DE]

God of the old testament ordered the killing of pregnant women, but he didn't like the thought of a dude giving it to another dude.

That's really dumb.

 

[Ranman20]

God of the old testament ordered the killing of pregnant women, but he didn't like the thought of a dude giving it to another dude.

That's really dumb.

Lolwut?

 

[FoolKiller]

No it's not.

People love to pretend that Christianity is just about being a wonderful human being, but according to the bible, Christianity and the Christian God are very much proponents of intolerance.

Weird. We must have different Bibles.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

I've attended Christian sermons in which it was explained under no uncertain circumstances that being a good person is no substitute for being a Christian. Christians are ordained by god because they believe in him. A murderer who is Christian can repent his sins and in the eyes of god is a "decent human being", while someone who was good to his fellow man throughout his life without exception but who does not accept Jesus Christ is not a "decent human being" but is instead a monster who must be tortured for eternity.

Belief is all that matters.

Do not judge God based on those who claim to speak for him. Jesus even warned of them.

6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

As for how you get accepted: Well, when we aren't being told by preachers that as soon as we die we go to Heaven or Hell we can read The Book of Revelation and see how those who had died before the end are judged.

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

See, as a holy rolling teen I read this and thought that it didn't mesh with what any form of Christian pastor preached. Then I was discussing something about religion with my mom and a friend of hers, who had lost a child the year before, and we came up on this subject. I was told very strictly that her son was not in some odd sort of limbo, but was in Heaven, as she began to cry. That was when I realized the religious leaders, who people turn to as counselors, have made things more palatable. I'm sure some of it was a power move by Catholic leaders, making even the most heinous criminals attend mass and pray for forgiveness.



When Danny said, "That's Christian," it is Christian to love those around you, even if you believe them to be non-believers. It is also Christian to recognize that we all sin and that someone doing something you believe to be a sin, but not harming others, is no worse than you. And by 'Christian' I mean following the teachings of Christ (or the fiction of his teachings, as you think of them), not following the teachings of some guy claiming to speak for God and whose only authority is given by his ability to make a group of people sit and listen to him at least once a week.

 

[arora]

Believers and non believers alike, spew falsehoods about what the teachings of Jesus are all about. Nothing new there lol.

There is no fire and brim stone imo, perish or live. The bit about going to heaven right off, I'd say there is a simple period of rest awaiting the return(as I divide the book).

One sin over another? Well, it doesn't really mater if one considers homosexuality a sin or not, all sin are equal. It's kinda the point of the whole thing.

Attacking someone's religion really doesn't cut it anyway, we are speaking of law and things of the earth in this thread. Render under Caesar and all that.

Perhaps the question of accepting one's sexuality should only concern the violation of someone else's rights. I contend that state recognized marriage is a violation in the first place for instance.

I'm not down for being grouped into some ignorant's classification of what Christianity is to them tbh.

Maybe I should try to keep up with my yt vids that pertain to the situation in a way only I can understand Here ya go...

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