I'm sure it doesn't mean all that much in the grand scheme of things, but I do think it's pretty funny. And Toyota isn't really all that green in the first place building the Land Cruiser, LX, Sequoia, Tundra, Tacoma, Highlander, 4Runner and probably a few other things. VW is probably a lot greener than Toyota.
I've never heard of a manufacturer that is green at all. Even if it's a manufacturer that produces hydrogen cars or electricity cars, you're still polluting by producing them.
Smart is pretty good by most standards compared to virtually any other maker. They produce small cars (less energy to produce) with very small engines (less energy to produce and low fuel consumption), most of the out-sourced parts are still produced in the same factory (little transport of bits and pieces), waste heat used for curing paint etc.
But yeah. Car production isn't the cleanest thing ever whatever you're producing...
The problem I'm having with all this Prius bashing is that everyone seems to ignore manuacturers that bring cars onto the market with engines that go trough enormous amounts of fuel. Granted, the Prius isn't the most green car driving around, but if Toyota managed to produce and sell the Prius on one spot, it could be a whole lot greener. But of course, who'll be driving to that one spot just to buy a car? What I'm having a problem with is that people seem to put Toyota down for producing a car that in a way offers a solution, like some sort of guideline in what direction we should move. Yet these people think it's oh so awesome brands like Dodge or Chevrolet keep bringing out cars that are fitted with big V8s. What about diesel engines, they're not so innocent either as everyone seems to think. Same goes for bio-fuel. If we'd check our sources where the fuel comes from, bio-fuel actually isn't that bad.
The problem I'm having with all this Prius bashing is that everyone seems to ignore manuacturers that bring cars onto the market with engines that go trough enormous amounts of fuel.
Since we have a Toyota plant here in Kentucky they have a huge booth every year at the state fair, usually taking up five or six (may even be more) exhibitor booth spaces. It is staffed by volunteers from the factory staff and their families. As you walk by they have every single truck on display, and then at the end they have one cross-cut hybrid model on display with a couple of signs explaining how it works, benefits, etc. Every time I look at their booth I think to myself that if Toyota truly wanted to show themselves as green they would fill the booth with their small cars and hybrids. But then a blue Yaris hatchback doesn't look nearly as sexy as a jet black Tundra.And Toyota isn't really all that green in the first place building the Land Cruiser, LX, Sequoia, Tundra, Tacoma, Highlander, 4Runner and probably a few other things. VW is probably a lot greener than Toyota.
The difference is that these manufacturers don't advertise themselves as being green and don't market their cars as both economic and solutions to oil supply problems and global warming.The problem I'm having with all this Prius bashing is that everyone seems to ignore manuacturers that bring cars onto the market with engines that go trough enormous amounts of fuel.
But it is not a solution, and as they have worked hard to make hybrid technology a large trend, they are effectively slowing other manufacturers' ability to research a true solution and still maintain profitability. I am not saying Toyota is to blame for the financial situation of the American auto companies, because they were too late to even make a move toward the trend and had other issues as well.What I'm having a problem with is that people seem to put Toyota down for producing a car that in a way offers a solution, like some sort of guideline in what direction we should move.
This is partly do to car culture. People less interested in fuel economy and more into wanting driving to be about more than getting from Point A to Point B are going to be more open to calling Toyota out on their conflicting goals and look deeper into the true economic value of a hybrid. Plus, even if these people had a Prius and drove it like they didn't care about the fuel savings, they would barely get any more benefit than from any other car.Yet these people think it's oh so awesome brands like Dodge or Chevrolet keep bringing out cars that are fitted with big V8s.
But diesel uses upgraded forms of current technology to reach the same, or better, efficiency and pollution levels. It acts as an in-between but allows for new fuel sources to be researched without creating a trend that pulls research away. Diesel is the same natural progression of technology that you see in any petrol car.What about diesel engines, they're not so innocent either as everyone seems to think.
Bio-fuel has significant problems though. It is most efficient when made from sugar cane, but sugar cane is best grown in tropical climates. Unfortunately farming in tropical climates often requires destroying rain forests. So, to produce large quantities would require destroying the environment anyway.Same goes for bio-fuel. If we'd check our sources where the fuel comes from, bio-fuel actually isn't that bad.
Since we have a Toyota plant here in Kentucky they have a huge booth every year at the state fair, usually taking up five or six (may even be more) exhibitor booth spaces. It is staffed by volunteers from the factory staff and their families. As you walk by they have every single truck on display, and then at the end they have one cross-cut hybrid model on display with a couple of signs explaining how it works, benefits, etc. Every time I look at their booth I think to myself that if Toyota truly wanted to show themselves as green they would fill the booth with their small cars and hybrids. But then a blue Yaris hatchback doesn't look nearly as sexy as a jet black Tundra.
But it is not a solution, and as they have worked hard to make hybrid technology a large trend, they are effectively slowing other manufacturers' ability to research a true solution and still maintain profitability. I am not saying Toyota is to blame for the financial situation of the American auto companies, because they were too late to even make a move toward the trend and had other issues as well.
However, I do find it interesting that two of the companies attempting to make the biggest moves toward eco-friendly trends, Toyota and VAG, are pulling sales from many others, and may possibly be battling each other for most sales in a few years.
But if you step outside of the car culture realm, away from political commentators, and just look at average guys who wish to be informed you will see that they aren't cheering for the next big muscle car either. I'm talking about guys like my dad, who wants an everyday car and an efficient pickup, nothing more.
But diesel uses upgraded forms of current technology to reach the same, or better, efficiency and pollution levels. It acts as an in-between but allows for new fuel sources to be researched without creating a trend that pulls research away. Diesel is the same natural progression of technology that you see in any petrol car.
Bio-fuel has significant problems though. It is most efficient when made from sugar cane, but sugar cane is best grown in tropical climates. Unfortunately farming in tropical climates often requires destroying rain forests. So, to produce large quantities would require destroying the environment anyway.
The other alternative, that is currently used in the US, is to find a plant source that can be grown in a much larger climate zone. Certain types of corn/grains work great for that, but due to its loss of efficiency we still don't have enough available farmlands to supply the planet. Factor in that switching current corn/grain cropland to focus on bio-fuel effects many other things. Animal feed supply is reduced, so the feed cost rises, and now we see meat and dairy prices increasing. It also means less human food corn, so corn, and all the food stuffs made from it, has prices go up. And most disastrous, less hops are being grown and my beer prices have gone up.
And I haven't even gotten into the fact that bio-fuels from corn, such as ethanol, are not getting the same mileage as petrol and thus means that it has some more advancements to make before it is actually a cost benefit to consumers.
As that data is a couple of years old I am interested in what changes they find now, particularly since their measurements show they were not using a DPF, and quote their data from January 2007. Assuming their own data is correct they should be getting less than .005 g/km of PM with a DPF, but their test results show .011 g/km.There is a difference between how diesel and petrol engines affect global warming with CO2 missions, and air quality. At the end of this quote, I will link you to a great article that talks about diesel and petrol engines. Yes, diesel does emit less CO2 and half the amount of CO. However, people are forgetting about NOx, a pollutant that is most dangerous to clean air quality. Diesel engines emit up to 24 times more NOx particles than petrol engines. But this doesn't take away that we should develop our diesel engines though. As you said, diesel engines are pretty new, and we haven't fully developed them. Diesel engines will emit less CO2 and CO. But I doubt they will ever emit less NOx than a petrol engine. Article.
As that data is a couple of years old I am interested in what changes they find now, particularly since their measurements show they were not using a DPF, and quote their data from January 2007. Assuming their own data is correct they should be getting less than .005 g/km of PM with a DPF, but their test results show .011 g/km.
Considering that since that was written most cars use DPFs, I know the PM is now under .005 g/km. Similarly the Jetta TDi is using a NOx storage catalyst, and in order for diesels to pass NOx standards in all 50 states they need some form of BlueTec system. The amount to pass the Tier 2 standards in the US is under .05 g/m (~.08 g/km if my math is correct), which is significantly lower than what that article was measuring. Still higher than petrol, but not nearly as high, and that is assuming the systems only perform for the maximum allowed, and not less.
The stricter regulations in the US could explain why we see very few diesels.
Well, there are plenty of heavy machinery trucks and stuff using diesel, but it had such a huge stigma from the consumer market for being dirty that they have had a very low demand. VW has been playing a large roll in changing that view though, and I am hopeful that as demand increases supply will as well.Really? So most cars in the US are still running petrol then?
It actually is working both ways at this point. The stigma against diesels made people not even look at the ones that were available and buy hybrids. After the newer tech went into place in 2007 and the new clean diesels began showing up people still had their pre-conceived notions and by that point hybrids were the big thing, so they didn't bother paying attention.Could this also explain the high salenumbers of the Prius you think?
The problem I'm having with all this Prius bashing is that everyone seems to ignore manuacturers that bring cars onto the market with engines that go trough enormous amounts of fuel.
Really? So most cars in the US are still running petrol then?
The stricter regulations in the US could explain why we see very few diesels.
That's great niky! Finally somebody as well who's an LPG driver 👍
About the issues, is your tank connected with extra software? We install an extra computer into the engine bay, and we then hook it up to a computer which then calculates the optimum temperature to switch onto LPG. Also, via this software you can regulte pretty much everything such as LPG useage and much more. Our cars drive without any issues. Nearly every customer we've had never even noticed they indeed were driving on LPG. We've had a few customers that asked us where all their money went because they couldn't find the tank, and neither did they notice any difference in the car![]()
AutoblogSTUDY: Despite insurance breaks, hybrids driven more, cost more to fix, and get more tickets
Conventional wisdom is that hybrid vehicles reduce our dependence on foreign oil and emit fewer environment hurting CO2 emissions. When comparing a hybrid to a conventional gasoline-powered model on a mile-by-mile basis, there's some logic to this argument provided the pricing disparity between the two models isn't too broad. However, a new study by Quality Planning shows that hybrid owners drive much more than non-hybrid owners, potentially negating the benefits of the added battery pack and electric motor.
Quality Planning studied nearly 360,000 vehicles throughout 2007 and 2008 to analyze driving habits, and some of the study's findings are pretty surprising. According to the survey, hybrid and non-hybrid drivers have statistically similar commutes, but hybrid owners drive their vehicles 25% more (2,000 miles) in non-commuting scenarios.
Dr. Raj Bhat, president of Quality Planning, thinks part of the reason for these findings has something to do with the fact that high mileage drivers are typically more interested in hybrids than infrequent drivers.
"What we don't know is whether owning a hybrid vehicle encourages people to drive more miles each day or take more pleasure trips. High-mileage drivers appear to be attracted to these vehicles, so insurers should take steps to verify the intended use of hybrids and validate actual miles driven wherever possible."
The study also shows that hybrid owners are significantly more likely to receive traffic tickets. According to the survey, Toyota Prius owners received .38 tickets per 100,000 miles driven, versus a non-hybrid average of .23 tickets per 100,000 miles. That's a 65% differential. One possible explanation for the ticket disparity has to do with where hybrid owners live. Quality Planning found that hybrid owners are more likely to live in an urban setting, where tickets are more frequently issued.
If you really want a hybrid and you don't want to hear any more bad news, you should stop reading. QP also found that repair costs are significantly higher for hybrid owners. The Ford Escape Hybrid, for example, costs 31% more to repair than the gasoline-only model, while repairing the Toyota Highlander Hybrid will reportedly add 45% more cost. A recent report by IntelliChoice that found that, in the long-term, hybrids and diesels are actually cheaper than gasoline-only vehicles.
The text below illustrates how much on a per dollar basis hybrid repair costs for collision and comprehensive coverage versus one dollar for a non-hybrid. The disparity is shrinking every year, but according to QP, hybrids still cost more to fix. Hit the jump to view the Quality Planning press release.
Collision Comprehensive
Coverage Coverage
2006 Hybrid Models $1.16 $1.75
2007 Hybrid Models $1.09 $1.35
2008 Hybrid Models $1.13 $1.17
More on how hybrids aren't really all they are cracked up to be.
I figured they were more expensive to repair, but how anyone in a Prius gets a speeding ticket is beyond me. Although maybe it shouldn't surprise me because here my buddy is doing 80mph and we got passed by a Prius which was 90mph+.
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I am also very surprised to see that hybrid owners get ticketed more often. Maybe for going slowly and parking illegally?
And I guess it is impossible to get a hybrid serviced anywhere other than at a dealer. Priuses supposedly are running 22 volts through them at all times, so servicing would be a little difficult with that.
Is that a V6 Escape you're in? I like the looks of that Tach.
Yup, it's a 2003 or something. It was my buddy's mom's Escape, we took it Chicago a couple weekends ago because we all drove to small of cars to transport 3 people at their crap effectively and comfortably.
I'll back this up with an image of just such an event of three men and their stuff in a three-door Golf model.Really? The GTI swallowed 5 people and all of their stuff for a three day weekend. And the back window wasn't blocked at all. I'm kinda surprised the MINI couldn't take three people, especially with folding seats.Yup, it's a 2003 or something. It was my buddy's mom's Escape, we took it Chicago a couple weekends ago because we all drove to small of cars to transport 3 people at their crap effectively and comfortably.
Really? The GTI swallowed 5 people and all of their stuff for a three day weekend. And the back window wasn't blocked at all. I'm kinda surprised the MINI couldn't take three people, especially with folding seats.
how anyone in a Prius gets a speeding ticket is beyond me