The Manor-Marussia Saga

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RACECAR
That's strange. How can they still be in F1 if they are no longer operating? I guess it works differently in F1 then it would anywhere else?
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Marussia F1 is owned by Manor Grand Prix. Marussia is in administration, which will soon become cessation, but Manor are not, and they are the ones who hold the entry.
 
RACECAR
That's strange. How can they still be in F1 if they are no longer operating? I guess it works differently in F1 then it would anywhere else?
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Because their entry, now held by Manor, still stands as do their dissolvable assets, and not all the staff of Marussia have been made redundant.
 
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GTPorsche
Lotterer turned down the offer to race for Caterham this weekend.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/319089/lotterer-rejects-chance-to-race-in-abu-dhabi/
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Hmm, you'd think that "waiting for a better offer" isn't such a good idea... exposure is exposure, and being the guy who'll turn up whatever-the-odds is surely better?

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The other side of the Caterham coin; while some staff will be relieved that due-process has begun on their redundancies there's some inevitable bitterness;

"Fernandes walked away from staff", BBC.
 
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What good does tooling around at the back do for you exposure wise? Apart from nothing at all that is.

He isn't about to pull a Webber/Minardi result unless something really strange happens.
 
In this current era of high reliability and low percentage of crashing, outside of Perez and Maldonado, it would take some crazy happenings for Caterham to make it into the points.

But... Marussia pulled it off in Monaco and they're completely gone now... so anything could happen.
 
Tired Tyres
What good does tooling around at the back do for you exposure wise? Apart from nothing at all that is.

He isn't about to pull a Webber/Minardi result unless something really strange happens.
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You're in the paddock, for a start. And you're showing that you're willing to turn up and help out, whatever the situation, and whoever you are. I think that kind of ethic would be good in-paddock publicity for a driver looking for something more long-term in F1.
 
TenEightyOne
You're in the paddock, for a start. And you're showing that you're willing to turn up and help out, whatever the situation, and whoever you are. I think that kind of ethic would be good in-paddock publicity for a driver looking for something more long-term in F1.
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Add to that, if you outshine your vastly more experienced teammate in only your second race in F1, it is a very good advert.
 
Suggestions on GrandPrix.com (via Gazzetto del Thport-io) are that Max Chilton may drive the other Caterham next weekend. Source, it's a crap site though.
 
TenEightyOne
You're in the paddock, for a start. And you're showing that you're willing to turn up and help out, whatever the situation, and whoever you are. I think that kind of ethic would be good in-paddock publicity for a driver looking for something more long-term in F1.
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Andre Lotterer, Audi works driver, winner etc. etc.

Any team blind to his skills really aren't worth joining.
 
legacyMACHINE
Andre Lotterer, Audi works driver, winner etc. etc.

Any team blind to his skills really aren't worth joining.
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And any driver who turns down an opportunity because the team aren't good enough possibly over-rates himself in a market awash with experienced F1 talent. I'm not talking down Lotterer's skill by any means, but I don't think he's putting himself in the best position. Last time he worked in F1 he was dropped in favour of Pizzonia, he's now 32 years old... the clock's a ticking.
 
Why would Loetterer even want in F1? He is in a good position on WEC as Audi driver and is a winner of Le Mans 24H. In F1 he wouldn't get paid even close as much as in driving for Audi. And even if F1 is considered as an top class of motorsport driving for the last places isn't considered as a big merit as winning at Le Mans and it's very hard to get seat good enough for the ability to drive for points in F1 without bringing large amount of sponsor money for the team.
 
As predicted, SOOPAH GEE PEE TOO!! hasn't gone down well with the small teams, who want to retain a sense of identity, rather than be relegated to second-tier status. The big teams don't like the idea of cost-cutting because it means jeopardising their advantage, while CVC are opposed to a rescue package because it's a short-term solution and unsustainable.
 
So basically, nothing productive has happened.
 
TenEightyOne
And any driver who turns down an opportunity because the team aren't good enough possibly over-rates himself in a market awash with experienced F1 talent. I'm not talking down Lotterer's skill by any means, but I don't think he's putting himself in the best position. Last time he worked in F1 he was dropped in favour of Pizzonia, he's now 32 years old... the clock's a ticking.
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I think it rather depends whether Caterham's "offer" came with a big secret price tag attached. I could understand his response more if he doesn't want to pay money to run in a backmarker that is half dead and will probably struggle to provide meaningful support.
 
Imari
I think it rather depends whether Caterham's "offer" came with a big secret price tag attached. I could understand his response more if he doesn't want to pay money to run in a backmarker that is half dead and will probably struggle to provide meaningful support.
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That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that. Hamilton's fault.
 
I don't blame Lotterer, the last race they did Kobayashi was forced to use a bandaged up Car that was seconds off the pace of the other one.

Chances are who ever races will be using that same bandaged car in Abu Dahbi.
 
RACECAR
So basically, nothing productive has happened.
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Quite the contrary; I think it's very productive. The sport needs a future that is financially sustainable, but doesn't compromise the identity of teams as teams and allows for flexibility in its approach.
 
prisonermonkeys
Quite the contrary; I think it's very productive. The sport needs a future that is financially sustainable, but doesn't compromise the identity of teams as teams and allows for flexibility in its approach.
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But the end result is the same before everything was suggested.
 
mustafur
But the end result is the same before everything was suggested.
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How do you know? And can you get me some lottery* numbers please? :D

*Not Lotterer, we've done that one.
 
mustafur
But the end result is the same before everything was suggested.
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Because they're working on a solution. They haven't found it.
 
Soundtrack
Solution: 3 cars teams and online media accreditation?

Caterham woes prompt rethink from Ecclestone
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I don't see what's new in there, and the media accreditation statement is more a complaint that anyone who sets up a website is getting a press pass. That's not to say that a solution won't include financial changes to the accreditation system but any income wouldn't be team money.

Bernie
Choose your race for free, enter the paddock, meet the drivers. How do you do it? Set up a website. I’m going to have a good look at the accreditation because it is a bit of a joke.
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TenEightyOne
And any driver who turns down an opportunity because the team aren't good enough possibly over-rates himself in a market awash with experienced F1 talent. I'm not talking down Lotterer's skill by any means, but I don't think he's putting himself in the best position. Last time he worked in F1 he was dropped in favour of Pizzonia, he's now 32 years old... the clock's a ticking.
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He's a works driver in WEC and gets paid to drive. In F1 he'd have to bring money in to get the drive with a crap team. F1 is a complete joke these days. He's better off in WEC as would every good driver if they had any sense at all.
 
Tired Tyres
He's a works driver in WEC and gets paid to drive. In F1 he'd have to bring money in to get the drive with a crap team. F1 is a complete joke these days. He's better off in WEC as would every good driver if they had any sense at all.
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It was his target and he didn't make it, and now he's too old :)
 
Ecclestone says his aims for the coming year are preventing more teams from hitting the wall and taking over media accreditation to curb a proliferation of online media in the paddock.
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This part could hint that he is eventually considering this market more seriously...
 
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