The Manor-Marussia Saga

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C-ZETA
Well, this is all very disappointing.

F1 with any less than 20 cars isn't worth watching. If Bernie's right and we end up with 14, it isn't even worth bothering.

Budget caps. Now. And 80's style.
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Major teams may frown on that since they won't be able to get the advantage they want.
 
I frown at such total selfishness.
Here's a better idea for them - why not actually work for success. Then the best teams win races...not the richest.
 
C-ZETA
Well, this is all very disappointing.

F1 with any less than 20 cars isn't worth watching. If Bernie's right and we end up with 14, it isn't even worth bothering.

Budget caps. Now. And 80's style.
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Because we totally watched Caterham and marussia the whole race.
 
Oh, and we did the same with Minardi before Red Bull picked them up? It doesn't matter when we see them. If they're in F1, they're racing.
 
C-ZETA
F1 with any less than 20 cars isn't worth watching.
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Don’t worry, if car count drops to 18 it will trigger a process where top teams will be asked to fill the gaps.[/SARCASM]
 
C-ZETA
Oh, and we did the same with Minardi before Red Bull picked them up? It doesn't matter when we see them. If they're in F1, they're racing.
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It does if your saying f1 isn't worth watching when cars that you barely see are not racing.
 
odnomre
PD was right after all, 6 cars on track is the future :lol:
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Too bad they chanced their mind. Now they think that 15 uncompetitive cars and one that beats the whole grid every time is more correct. Or maybe they try to represent Sebastien Loeb in WRC.

And back on-topic. Caterham and Marussia are like low-end LMP2 teams in WEC. Who can admit following them in all races? Really, most people notice they were racing only when some incident involving one of their car happen.
 
I doubt they will be able to keep that entry without a credible plan for 2015. Even with a fresh start from scratch, I'd say it's quite unlikely to see a new team coming in given the current state of affair.

Marussia currently lie ninth in the championship thanks to the two points Bianchi scored by finishing ninth in Monaco.

They will retain that place officially, but when it comes to allocating the prize money from this season, the remaining team below them - Sauber - will be moved up and receive the funds instead.

With the collapse of Marussia and Caterham, the prize money that would have been paid to the 10th team in the championship will be retained by the commercial rights holders.
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That bit is new and quite surprising, I imagine Marussia's administrator (maybe more liquidator at this point) will have another view on that matter...

If true, no surprise Caterham will go through whatever solution to show up in the last round.
 
Soundtrack
That bit is new and quite surprising, I imagine Marussia's administrator (maybe more liquidator at this point) will have another view on that matter...
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They will have to observe whatever the Concorde Agreement lays out. Since Marussia won't complete the season, they probably won't be eligible for the money that they would have won if they did complete it.
 
Say... If we all have a whip round, do you think we could have a GTP sponsored Caterham for Abu Dhabi?
 
Soundtrack
I doubt they will be able to keep that entry without a credible plan for 2015.
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The entry was correctly made and administered, was paid for, and stands. While there may be plenty of other forces to stop Caterham/Marussia or their fragments returning to F1 the entry is administratively valid and will stand until the beginning of first official F1 weekend of 2015. What the procedure is at that point I'm not sure but arguably if the entry isn't taken by then it's not going to be.
 
TenEightyOne
The entry was correctly made and administered, was paid for, and stands.
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Really?

13.5

All applications will be studied by the FIA and accepted or rejected at its

absolute discretion. The FIA will publish the list of cars and drivers accepted

together with their race numbers on or before 30 November of the year prior

to the year to which the applications relate, having first notified unsuccessful

applicants as set out in Article 13.1. Out-of-time applications will be

considered separately.
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Adam Cooper@adamcooperF18m
Heard today about a loyal Marussia supplier, unpaid for months, who may end up losing his house as a result of the team's collapse

Adam Cooper@adamcooperF13m
Also told that staff who have been at Marussia/Virgin from the start will get just a £2000 redundancy payment after five years of service

Ouch...

Edit: If only they would...

Adam Cooper@adamcooperF110s
One would hope that CVC/Bernie might find a way to use Marussia's 9th place $$$ to pay trade creditors and individuals who lost out...
 
TenEightyOne
The entry was correctly made and administered, was paid for, and stands.
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Soundtrack
Really?
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Yes, really. Look at rule 13.5;

13.5
All applications will be studied by the FIA and accepted or rejected at its

absolute discretion. The FIA will publish the list of cars and drivers accepted

together with their race numbers on or before 30 November of the year prior

to the year to which the applications relate, having first notified unsuccessful

applicants as set out in Article 13.1. Out-of-time applications will be

considered separately.
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Also note that the FIA have published the list as described. You'll note that Caterham are confirmed (in fact it's anticipated that they could be on the grid in Abu Dhabi 2014) while Manor F1's entry is subject to confirmation. That's because all that really exists of them from F1's perspective is that team entry... but there it is and for now it stands in accordance with procedure.
 
Let's wait and see if it's still there on 30th of november. At this point the list is still provisional.


*Provisional list subject to confirmation by the FIA that the conditions of entry are respected.
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Formula Finbarr Caterham reckon they have a potential buyer lined up who impressed with the team's spirit.

Bernie, on the other hand, is less than happy with their crowdfunding solution.
 
mustafur
It does if your saying f1 isn't worth watching when cars that you barely see are not racing.
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On TV, you might not really notice the difference.
When you're standing in the paddock, you very, very much would.

The venues kind of rely on big crowds turning out to make their investment in hosting a round worthwhile. No one is going to turn up to watch 6 cars go round and round an enormous track, no matter how fast and awesome they are.

Look at WEC. Some of the classes have very few cars in them, so they have to spice it up by running all the cars at once. It doesn't matter that a lot of the cars aren't directly competing, it's that having that many cars on track means that there's always something interesting going on.
 
prisonermonkeys
Formula Finbarr Caterham reckon they have a potential buyer lined up who impressed with the team's spirit.

Bernie, on the other hand, is less than happy with their crowdfunding solution.
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Bernie is unhappy with a problem that was created by Bernie. Makes sense.
 
Blitz24
Bernie is unhappy with a problem that was created by Bernie. Makes sense.
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Please. At this point, Ferrari's repeated threats of walking out unless they get paid to stay are a much greater problem. Everybody loves to blame Bernie, but as has been pointed out, the five biggest teams get £300 million between them just for turning up. It's money that they don't need, but refuse to surrender.
 
prisonermonkeys
It's money that they don't need, but refuse to surrender.
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Threats of leaving have showed their limits in the past, they’re basically bound together.

You may wonder what a sustainable/profitable budget would be for the front teams without the extra income. Leaving the sport means waving the jackpot goodbye.
 
I wonder if Caterham tried crowdfunding just to embarrass Bernie into giving them a bailout. I recall Paul Stoddart threatening to go public about backroom deals between Bernie and the other teams if Minardi weren't paid.
 
DK
I wonder if Caterham tried crowdfunding just to embarrass Bernie into giving them a bailout.
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What could possibly make them think that would work?
 
Maybe they're hoping he's bluffing about not caring about having a grid of 14 cars?
 
DK
Maybe they're hoping he's bluffing about not caring about having a grid of 14 cars?
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Or it could land Bernie back in courts.
 
Bernie has reportedly told the smaller teams not to pin their hopes on a bail-out from CVC; he obviously can't guarantee it, and if it doesn't happen, they're going to have their backs against the wall. This has apparently been interpreted as a conspiracy to weed out the smaller teams by having teams - namely Red Bull and Ferrari - run a third car in 2015 ahead of the introduction of customer cars in 2016.
 
Ferrari never made a secret of their ambitions to bring more of their cars to the grid, so conspiracy doesn’t fit.

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On a side note; Luca Colajanni joined Marussia this year to “contribute to defining Marussias’s development strategy” (SIC), he quitted the outfit this summer.

I will not do a single bet on the outcome of the season; as many things are still in the works, and there are way too many competing interests in place. A definitive/official list of entries will however clarify the situation. If by any chance the numbers of entry effectively triggers the call for a third car (the Italian squad being reported as first in line in that process), you would imagine Ferrari could be easily awarded the “Best of F1 Lobbyist 2014 Championship”. Once again others will say...
 
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