The New 3-series

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I think it look's great.

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Looks very nice, but I'm not to sure about those rear lights.
 
Is it just me, or does it look too big for a 3 series?
 
looks better than the 5 series for sure... plus it's not an assback (my name for the ugly backside on the 5 and 7 series)
 
The rear lights have too many weird angles to them.
Is it just me, or does it look too big for a 3 series?
It looked abit big to me aswell. But we have nothing to compare it to in the pictures.
 
VIPERGTSR01
Is it just me, or does it look too big for a 3 series?

No, you're right. The new 3 series (E90) is now almost the same size as the old 5 series (E39). It is almost 2 inches longer than the old one (E46) as well a fraction of an inch wider and taller.

Luckily, BMW managed to keep the weight roughly the same (~3200 lbs, depending on options). Not sure how since the body is still all steel with aluminum suspension components. Engine (R6) is magnesium, though. ~255 SAE hp for the 3.0 liter. Pretty sweet. 👍

iDrive is optional, instead of mandatory. 👍

Runflats are standard. 👎

6 speed Getrag manual is standard. 👍

3.0 liter gasoline turbo is apparently still on its way, instead of a "big block" NA 6. 👎 :boggled: 👍 Not sure how I feel about that. Its supposed to make 300+ hp, though... so maybe its not all bad.

Active Roll Stabilization is NOT an option... even though Active Steering IS. 👎 👎


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Ooh. The idea of the M3 is conjuring up images in my mind...
 
ExigeExcel
Your thumbs must be aching...
Are they still doing a compact line? Or was that replaced by the 1 series?

:D I have to keep them in shape for my future SMG equipped V8 M3.

Good question. Nothing official that I've heard, but I would not be surprised to see the end of the Compact line. 1 Series makes it redundant.


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Well, with most of the fruity Banglisms removed, this one gets a guarded thumbs up. It is, at the very least, no worse looking than the current model. And that's saying something, considering my opinion on the rest of the current designs.
 
neon_duke
Well, with most of the fruity Banglisms removed, this one gets a guarded thumbs up. It is, at the very least, no worse looking than the current model. And that's saying something, considering my opinion on the rest of the current designs.


You don't like the 6-series? Fair enough, but I thought it was quite pretty.
 
///M-Spec
3.0 liter gasoline turbo is apparently still on its way
Forgive my stupid question but does that mean BMW is going to turbocharge a petrol engine? when was the last time they turbocharged a non diesel car?
 
with regards to //M-Spec's posts:

Ever-inflating curb weights are a problem across the automotive industry. It is rare when a new model weighs less than the previous model.

Is the whole 3-series block magnesuim? I have never heard of this. Aluminum, yes. Magnesuim I thought was only for oil pans.

You will have to enligthen me on the turbo option on the 3-series. I thought it was BMW's informal policy to make their power with technology but not boost. (Seeing how they have competed with AMG in the past years.)

Also, what is this V8 M3 you speak of? That would be a disaster, with the excess weight over the front wheels. M3's are supposed to be balanced cars.
 
ultrabeat
You don't like the 6-series? Fair enough, but I thought it was quite pretty.
I'm least familiar with the 6-series; I don't think I've seen one in real life. But this place is swimming in 5s, 7s, an Z4s, none of which I like at all. I think I might have seen a 6 convertible, which caught my eye, but it was just a glimpse.
 
You know what it looks like?

The Plymouth Grand Voyager.

Not the Chrysler Town & Country or the Dodge Grand Caravan, but the Plymouth Grand Voyager.
 
BMW POWER
Forgive my stupid question but does that mean BMW is going to turbocharge a petrol engine? when was the last time they turbocharged a non diesel car?

In a production car? 1974. 2002 Turbo. BMW turbocharged numerous F1 and Group 4 and 5 race car motors in the 70s and 80s.



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Ever-inflating curb weights are a problem across the automotive industry. It is rare when a new model weighs less than the previous model.

Yep. But BMW is the first luxury car manufactuer to actively persue weight reduction as a major part of its product development plan. They even have marketing-speak for it: "intelligent lightweight construction".

The new 5 Series (E60) weighs 50 lbs. LESS than an identically equipped E39 5-Series while being larger in every dimension and stiffer as well. They acheived this mostly by making the entire body structure at the front end entirely of aluminium and refinement of other construction processes.

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Is the whole 3-series block magnesuim? I have never heard of this. Aluminum, yes. Magnesuim I thought was only for oil pans.

Not the entire block. Sorry for being somewhat misleading. The bottom end is a magnesium/aluminium composite. Crank bearings are mag. Crank itself I believe is still forged steel. The rest is aluminium with cast iron cylinder sleeves. The head is aluminium. Head cover is mag.


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You will have to enligthen me on the turbo option on the 3-series. I thought it was BMW's informal policy to make their power with technology but not boost. (Seeing how they have competed with AMG in the past years.)

There's been a lot of buzz about a turbo 6 cylinder in BMW's line up for about 2-3 years now. When the DIESEL bi-turbo came out in the 530d, we all thought "oh, THAT was the turbo six we all heard about." But apparently, the rumors are still rife with news about a PETROL turbo six.

If this is true, then the motor is intended to fill the gap between the 255 hp NA 3.0 liter and the 400 hp NA 4.0 liter M3 in the 3 Series line up. The logical assumption is a low pressure turbo 3.0 based on the R6 running about 6 psi for roughly 300 hp with a FMI.

I don't like the idea personally. I think BMW should have spent that money on a 'big block' 6 based on R6 archecture. But hey, what do I know. I'm just the consumer.


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Also, what is this V8 M3 you speak of? That would be a disaster, with the excess weight over the front wheels. M3's are supposed to be balanced cars.

We are 99% sure the new M3 (2007) will have a V8 based on the 90 degree V10 in the new M5. It will basically be the same motor with 2 cylinders chopped off the end. (long time BMW enthusiasts will remember the 4 cylinder M3 was basically an M1 engine with two cylinders lopped off)

You may not suspect so, but the S54 6 cylinder in today's M3 is quite heavy. (iron block) The previous 400 hp M5 engine (E39) is actually only 50 lbs heavier, while being shorter to boot.

Given the new 500 hp M5 engine is only a few pounds heavier than the old, I think its likely the V8 M3 will end up retaining 50/50 weight distribution and 3400 lb. curb weight while actually reducing weight over the front axle (since the V8 will be shorter). The big question is whether or not the bulky throttle bodies (8 of them) will fit under the windshield base.


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M5Power
You know what it looks like?

The Plymouth Grand Voyager.

Not the Chrysler Town & Country or the Dodge Grand Caravan, but the Plymouth Grand Voyager.


Still better looking than that truck whose name shall not be uttered here. :p


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///M-Spec
Still better looking than that truck whose name shall not be uttered here. :p

Daewoo Korando?

Did you know "Korando" actually stands for "Korea can do"?

Then again, you might not know what the Daewoo Korando is. Allow me to inform you: it's a piece of ****.

The Suzuki "Liana" is the best-named car ever. "Life in a new age." I'd use that, if I were gay.
 
Hell no! They've been selling the **** in Europe for years. Originally it was the Ssanyong Korando, but then Ssanyong went bankrupt, so all the old Ssanyongs - and by "all the old Ssanyongs", I mean the Korando and Musso - went to Daewoo. And now Daewoo actually thinks they're viable competitors. People say the Korando was styled after the Jeep Wrangler, but if that's true, the Koreans can't do.

Fortunately we haven't ever received and never will receive the Korando in the US, at least not in that godawful form.
 
A former relative of mine had one of those Korandos. Like I said, a former.

And when Ssangyong wanted to go upmarket with the Musso, they sold it as a Daewoo. Enough said.
 
I'm saddened by the new 3-series. The 2004 model's headlights were so entrancing and menacing; the way they peared forward just seemed to scream performance and a "dont mess with me" look.
 
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