The Power Limiter: Fun, stupid, or game breaker?

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Your opinion on the power limiter?

  • Fun

    Votes: 62 48.4%
  • Stupid

    Votes: 26 20.3%
  • Game breaker

    Votes: 40 31.3%

  • Total voters
    128
as it was introduced, i was quite glad of it.
However seeing the flaws within, its now rather a game breaker.
Its just annoying, cause you basically need to take a car which is way over the top pp and detune it to keep up on the straights.
(Just yesterday i raced with a stock M3 CSL, caught up in every corner, but was left behind quickly on every straight.)
Thats just no fun.
 
as it was introduced, i was quite glad of it.
However seeing the flaws within, its now rather a game breaker.
Its just annoying, cause you basically need to take a car which is way over the top pp and detune it to keep up on the straights.
(Just yesterday i raced with a stock M3 CSL, caught up in every corner, but was left behind quickly on every straight.)
Thats just no fun.

If you were running the stock car, and everyone one else was detuning, you were probably the fastest on the straights. Unless you were using hp rules, which aren't very good, or everyone else had transmission and drivetrain upgrades which have nothing to do with the limiter.

R.S
My understanding is that generally cars with massive aero (both downforce and low drag)

This is a massive problem. The super high downforce cars should be hit with a sledgehammer or drag, but they're not. They barely get any drag penalty at all. They would certainly not be pulling away so easily on the straights if the drag was added in.
 
If you were running the stock car, and everyone one else was detuning, you were probably the fastest on the straights. Unless you were using hp rules, which aren't very good, or everyone else had transmission and drivetrain upgrades which have nothing to do with the limiter.

Mind to elaborate? Maybe i got something wrong, but i think not.
- I use a car which has 507 pp stock and detune it to 500 pp to meet lobby regulations.
- Others use 700 pp cars (example) and detune them to 500 pp

Now im not seeing myself cathing up on the former 700pp cars on the straights as their usual Vmax is 100km/h higher than mine (accel is also higher) . Powerlimiter sets in when you are at or close to the original power band max. Not gradually before, as it should be (aka a detuned car receives full power of the original max pp until pp lobby limit is reached) !!!???
 
Mind to elaborate?

If the cars you were racing were similar to yours, but hypertuned and then detuned, they could have been making less average power per gear than your car. This means that they would accelerate slower. If those cars were also lightened, then they would lose even more power, which would hurt their acceleration at high speed.

If the cars you were racing were naturally much higher in PP, they would probably take an even bigger cut in power and perform poorly at high speed.

You also mentioned that your car was stock though, and I assume that includes everything but the limiter. Which means you didn't have the racing gearbox or clutch, etc. They could have, which could have given them a big advantage that has nothing to do with the limiter.

Yes, the powerband isn't effected until it reaches a certain hp, but that doesn't really matter. What advantage would that give them?
 
it is a game breaker when you take a V12 twelve with huge torque figures and downpower by 30%
it is stupid for very light cars that can have a turbo and just approach the limit
it is fun when you take the right car or even stock and everybody in the room knows what cars the race is about( even sports tires) and take cars of similar performance
 
Yep, and do you know why this is happening? Because in Yamauchi's vision there's no need to categoryze cars and all the players should be "inspired" when they play the game. Well I guess he really never tried a pubblic lobby with 11 years old "inspired" kids. :rolleyes: At this time with 1000 cars, GT series need some organization or people will always find a way to exploit them. I don't think their goal was everyone to use a 390GT1 road car in every single time attack, come on. What's the point of 1000 cars if you always use the same? I'm almost done with pubblic lobbies and leaderboards in GT5, I'm getting more fun in arcade mode with stock premium cars, the AI is decent overthere.
I do think the same, i even go as far as by saying that KY doesnt play the game at all.
About the time trial.... It would be more reasonable to call it "R390 Road Car Time Trial".
Even if you dont know what car to use, you enter, you check the leaderboard and you get your answer.

About categories....the funny thing is that i am pretty sure that all the cars have ID's but for some odd PD reason...PD havent added it as a filter to online races or to short out your garage.
For example in the latest time trial it says "road car", you cant enter with anything else or with an RM.
At GT500 seasonal event same thing, you cant enter with a road car or with a nascar.
We have about 25 car categories?i think?
i mean... how hard could it be to make 25 new boxes? no need for something fancy, they could do it like the aids with the tick/un-tick option for online racing and in the the garage they could easily add a new drop down menu to short our cars out.... or even better give us multiple favorites and let us short them out, so we can have Premiums and standards all together.

....and i just recalled one more thing, before the 1.09? 1.08? the system could filter and not showing up the cars that doesnt have the proper tyres for the race.
I am pretty sure that everything that is needed is in there.
 
thanks for the update. im going to check that out. We raced Nordschleife btw.
It felt like the powerband helped them quite a bit comming out of the corners slow, but then beeing able to pull away fast from me though i was in their slipstream.
Thats why i was of the oppinion, that their unaffected powerband helped them quite a bit.
(and it really pisses me of to reach someones back in the corner just to loose them on the ****ing straight :P )
 
thanks for the update. im going to check that out. We raced Nordschleife btw.
It felt like the powerband helped them quite a bit comming out of the corners slow, but then beeing able to pull away fast from me though i was in their slipstream.
Thats why i was of the oppinion, that their unaffected powerband helped them quite a bit.
(and it really pisses me of to reach someones back in the corner just to loose them on the ****ing straight :P )

I don't see the problem, your car is more agile in the corners but not good on straights. Check your gearing and make sure that you are geared correctly for your power output, read that power graph and gear accordingly. Some cars are just better regardless. Take the NSX it's a fast car for it's power output and weight, even if you tuned an RX7 to the NSX's stats the NSX is still faster especially at high speeds.

I don't think people are understanding the PP and how it works. It is basically taking into account the cars' overall performance, which to be honest is a good thing as it makes it easier to level the playing field. The thing is where the car has the advantage will show up based on the course selected, some cars corner better others' have greater acceleration. Nothing is wrong with that as realistically no two cars will perform exactly the same even when matched like for like unless they are nose to tail built to match, in weight, aero, grip and power.

Use your brains after getting a car with the correct PP, check your weight and power. Lightweight cars will be at a disadvantage on mid to high speed tracks, heavyweight cars will be at a disadvantage on courses with lots of mid speed corners. PP works as it's supposed to, you're the one who is supposed to use your brain to choose the correct vehicle based on the course you are running on.
 
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