Sorry if I have hurt anyone's feelings but I have been reading posts about the use of aids for a long time now. It always comes across to me as ... if you use aids then you are inferior to everyone else and shouldn't be playing the game. The OP stated at the outset that he hoped his post didn't come across as elitist and I merely responded that it did indeed come across to me as elitist. It goes on all the time in the GT forums and evidently the same standard is now going to be applied here for PCars. So be it, I'll just keep my mouth shut and go back to lurking as I have in the past. Frankly, I couldn't care less how you want to play the game, I just get tired of being told I have to follow suit in order to get the most out of the game. The game developers do read these forums and there is increasing evidence that they do bow to what they think is the prevailing opinion. There has been an increase in the number of events in GT which prohibit aids and that then forces some of us out because we don't have the skill or desire to reach that level of play. Ultimately, I think that will hurt the developers ... time will tell. As you were and I'll get back in my box and leave you blokes to it.