The Rant - Grrrrrr!!

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Smuttysy
I've had a rant about the levels of detail on the standard cars too many times to make any further headway with, so I decided to put up and shut up. Now I've found something else that irritates in a big way - Tuning restrictions.

I'm not talking about restrictions for qualifying entry into races but more a case of what I see as the manufacturers specifying what can and can't be done to their cars.
Let me explain,,

The Audi Example.
An Audi TT cannot be tuned to match or outperform an Audi R8, despite proof that it can be done from HPA.
An R8 cannot be tuned to match or outperform a Gallardo.

The Nissan Conspiracy.
An R32 cannot be tuned higher than an R33, which in turn cannot be tuned higher than an R34, which cannot be tuned higher than the GT-R. All this despite a multitude of Japanese tuning houses offering dramatically higher levels of tuning, even ten years ago!

Ok, so this may be a dramatic generalisation but I only have to think back to an old Max Power magazine to see a certain Smokey Nagata rolling down a tunnel in an R33 at just over 200mph, with 1285bhp under his right foot. The most powerful R33 I currently have is only pushing out 704bhp! I think these things were even pushing 1000bhp+ when they were in GT2!

I also get frustrated when something like a Lancer Evolution cannot be fitted with anything more than, at best, 525bhp. Again, another platform which can attract much higher levels of street tuned performance which is not reflected by the game. Supra's, RX7's, Impreza's and GTO's have all been neglected, despite being lovingly accounted for in previous versions. (Toyota Supra Rz and Mitsubishi GTO / 3000GT's were also capable of 1000+bhp in GT2)
Just because they're now considered "older" vehicles, doesn't mean they are any less tuneable than they once were.

Furthermore, where are all the dump valves for these stage 3 turbos I keep putting on everything!?

,,,,, and whooosaaaaaahh,,, relax,,,

Anyway, just wondering if anyone still has a copy of the previous volumes that can add confirmation about the previous spec levels of some of the aforementioned cars for a direct comparison of how far PD has regressed some of their cars?

(EDIT: subsequent information has found that the 1000+bhp skylines were in GT2)
 
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The Japanese tuners must be using 4th stage turbo upgrade or maybe even higher.The GT5 only has 3 turbo upgrades. See..there's the problem. No conspiracy.

Seriously dude, do you really need 1200+ HP?
 
I agree with you man, I miss being able to do that aswell :( I remember in GT2 I had a Supra with like just over 1000hp I think or at least very close to it in the high 900's, Im sure you're going to get alot of people respond to here saying that there is no need to have that much power to race, and theyre right but thats not the point its just fun to make super high power cars and drive them while they wheelspin through every gear :D

Also what happend to the Stage 4 turbo's from GT4 (maybe called Original Turbo) same with the Original Susspension upgrade option that allowed you to lower your car way further than just the fully custom one, I miss them too.

Edit: I remember only certain cars could get the Original Upgrade stuff from Tuner Village
 
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do you really need 1200+ HP?
Not particularly, but a little look back at previous outings of GT will show the same models had more power. (In some cases well over 200bhp)
Like I mentioned, GT2 had skylines at or above the 1000bhp levels. Just seems a little strange that they've been slowly decreasing the output of these great tuner cars over the series.

The ones in particular, to the best of my knowledge, were around these sorts of levels:

Nissan Skyline GTR Vspec (R33) - 1012bhp (for some reason that figure springs to mind)
Mitsubishi 3000GT Twin Turbo - 994bhp
Toyota Supra RZ Twin Turbo - 1002bhp

(These figures are as best I can remember, and subject to change pending further research)
 
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I know how you feel. It seems that GT5's tuning levels only go as far as you would need for a road course car. You would just be struggling to control the car on twisty courses if you could have more power.


But come on.


My Buick Special can only get 840 hp from its big v8. I am also disappointed with the tuning selection. I have GT3, so will try to get numbers up sometime, that game is way harder.
 
Smuttysy with that avatar I'm always thinking you're taking a dump while writing all this.
 
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Smuttysy with that avatar I'm always thinking you're taking a dump while writing all this.

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I thought it was slightly less "cheesy" to the thumbs up picture you can get of the driver, lol

I also remember you could change the intercooler in the older model games too. It seems they've left that by the wayside too.

(EDIT: Done a little bit more digging on the classic R33 from Top Secret. It had two Garrett T67 turbos and would do 0-200mph in 23.99s.)
 
It's only a number! I have the game with kW and my cars are better because more cars have over 1000 ;)

Come on, as long as they are fast and a lot are, everything is just fine...
 
Personally think it is so the supercars are still better than the uber tuned old road cars. Lamborghini and Ferrari don't want their cars being owned by a 20 year old tuner.
 
Personally think it is so the supercars are still better than the uber tuned old road cars. Lamborghini and Ferrari don't want their cars being owned by a 20 year old tuner.
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My thoughts entirely! Perhaps that was one of the clauses that Ferrari stipulated in order to grant the license!?
Would also explain the Audi theory, given that they own Lambo now.
 
Personally think it is so the supercars are still better than the uber tuned old road cars. Lamborghini and Ferrari don't want their cars being owned by a 20 year old tuner.

If thats the case, which I hope it isnt, then id gladly ditch Ferrari and Lamborghini in order to remove this tunning cap they put on us and allow us to go back to the tuning styles of older Gran Turismo's.

But I dont think thats the reason. As in each new GT game the ammount of HP gained by ugrades has gone down every time for no understanderbale reason to me.
 
do you really need 1200+ HP?
Not particularly, but a little look back at previous outings of GT will show the same models had more power. (In some cases well over 200bhp)
Like I mentioned, GT1 had skylines at or above the 1000bhp levels. Just seems a little strange that they've been slowly decreasing the output of these great tuner cars over the series.

The ones in particular, to the best of my knowledge, were around these sorts of levels:

Nissan Skyline GTR Vspec (R33) - 1012bhp (for some reason that figure springs to mind)
Mitsubishi 3000GT Twin Turbo - 994bhp
Toyota Supra RZ Twin Turbo - 1002bhp

(These figures are as best I can remember, and subject to change pending further research)

Nothing in GT1 cracked 1000hp.
 
Twas GT2 and 3 with cars up towards 1200 HP, and it was great fun at times.

The Japanese tuners must be using 4th stage turbo upgrade or maybe even higher.The GT5 only has 3 turbo upgrades. See..there's the problem. No conspiracy.

Seriously dude, do you really need 1200+ HP?
Yes.
It can be fun.
 
Twas GT2 and 3 with cars up towards 1200 HP, and it was great fun at times.


Yes.
It can be fun.

Especially when you consider you have 4 wheel drive to distribute the power without too much of a problem. :sly:

Just had a quick look over on gtvault at the current car I'm testing (Skyline GTR V Spec LM Limited '96) and since GT4 (where it was no doubt ported directly) it's lost nearly 50bhp!
GT4 tuned - 754bhp, GT5 tuned - 705bhp
 
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Its all about selling their brands of cars in RL there would definately be a clause in the contracts about performance. I could even see it being a long drawn out process of balancing all the cars so everyone is happy. Even if thats not how it is in RL the game has to put better marques at the top of the power mountain.
 
Its all about selling their brands of cars in RL there would definately be a clause in the contracts about performance. I could even see it being a long drawn out process of balancing all the cars so everyone is happy. Even if thats not how it is in RL the game has to put better marques at the top of the power mountain.
The only Supercars I don't hear about passing 900HP are Ferrari's, Aston Martin, BMW, and Porsche. At least off the top of my head.

Intriguing, don't know what this is though...
http://www.freewebs.com/bracketmasterz/cartimes.htm

I see an 882 HP Cavalier. :p
 
The Japanese tuners must be using 4th stage turbo upgrade or maybe even higher.The GT5 only has 3 turbo upgrades. See..there's the problem. No conspiracy.

Seriously dude, do you really need 1200+ HP?

:crazy:
 
I guess it may be a locational thing, but I regularly hear people on the European boards bragging about 1000bhp+ M5 BMW's, with retrofit twin turbo kits, nitrous (ok, so they don't really count in this discussion) and 900+ Ferrari's.
Aston Martin's One 77 looks like it could be well over that, once someone with more money than sense gets hold of one, with a claimed 750bhp off the shelf!
 
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the engines break in slightly,so run the cars a bit more and record the outputs when they are giving their full potential
 
the engines break in slightly,so run the cars a bit more and record the outputs when they are giving their full potential

Even when that's taken into account, the power difference to previous versions still remains. I don't think there's many cars that gain 50bhp due to running in though, 10bhp maybe at most.
 
Skiddy
Seriously dude, do you really need 1200+ HP?

Yes, we do. See no reason why it shouldn't be possible. It can be done in real life, so why shouldn't it be possible in a game?
 
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I thought it was slightly less "cheesy" to the thumbs up picture you can get of the driver, lol

I also remember you could change the intercooler in the older model games too. It seems they've left that by the wayside too.

(EDIT: Done a little bit more digging on the classic R33 from Top Secret. It had two Garrett T67 turbos and would do 0-200mph in 23.99s.)

Yeah the other GTs could get higher hp's and intercoolers too I believe.
 
Well...my rant on tuning would be the limitation of just having one setup. We should have at least two...then we could have a high and low downforce.

...and I will just have to rant about the lack of enduro game saves. Like many, I'm busy and won't leave my PS3 on for the number of weeks it'll take to complete a 24 hr race...but I'd love to be able to peck away at one.
 
Yes, we do. See no reason why it shouldn't be possible. It can be done in real life, so why shouldn't it be possible in a game?

Absolutely!! although that much power is usually only good for the drag strip (which we dont have in GT5) or top speed runs.
 
zr1chris
Absolutely!! although that much power is usually only good for the drag strip (which we dont have in GT5) or top speed runs.

True, but I see drag race rooms on Indy, Daytona and Special Stage Route 7 almost everytime I go online, so cars with insane amounts of HP would be useful for people who are into drag racing.
 
Drag racing power levels only? Hmmm, need I mention Veyron?
Certainly be nice to have some other road cars that could run within the same sort of league as that one. Perhaps even resurrect the old HKS cars from the older games?
 
The Japanese tuners must be using 4th stage turbo upgrade or maybe even higher.The GT5 only has 3 turbo upgrades. See..there's the problem. No conspiracy.

Seriously dude, do you really need 1200+ HP?

Well, i need the 1200bhp.
 
With GT5 they decided to make modifying cars the most boring experience possible...

You know, it's probably because they only put in cars and modifications that have actually been raced hard in real life. Just because somebody has a little Japanese sports car that can dyno 1200hp doesn't mean it's ever been driven hard for an extended time anywhere.
 
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