The real Saturn Astra is here

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For your information, my dad got the huge back pain after we drove through Germany and Switzerland for must've been 3 or 4 days. You're telling me germany and switzerland have bad roads? I don't think so.
There are bad roads in Germany, and Switzerland (as well as the other 3 countries you mentioned), it depends which roads in thoes countries you drove on. Like I said, I can't speak for all the different trim levels available in the Astra, but the ones I've had experience with have been fine.
 
Just shows you how bad American cars are....

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Runs away and hides...

I'm not upset over it, our small cars generally suck in this country. I mean, GM has done alright with the later Delta-platform cars (ie Cobalt, G5 aka Cobalt Coupe w/Pontiac badges). But when you're replacing the Ion...

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...Probably one of the strangest, most disappointing, overlooked (for good reason), and generally sub-par cars not only in GM's product line, but generally in the entire coverage of American automobiles...

Okay, I'll admit that it is very easy to pick on the Ion. I've ridden and driven one (an early Ion "Quad-Coupe" with CVT), and it wasn't horrible, but even my older cars were a heck of a lot better. The good news is that they are cheap, and I guess you get what you pay for. But hey, the Ion Red-Line wasn't that bad...

So, we kinda have a reason to be happy to see the car in America. Given how horrible the "new" Focus is, how so-so-not-good the Caliber is, we're left with the moderately-good Cobalt and Astra to lead the way in the small American car market. The good news is that the Astra will probably do well showing up against the Rabbit/Golf and the Civic, and generally speaking, thats all GM really needs to do with the car.
 
"And the most improved car design award goes to... Saturn!" This thing should do pretty well in America unless this thing ends up being complete crap to auto reviewers and consumers alike. Designing decent-looking and lovely cars is sort of a renaissance for Saturn. Five and ten years ago, Saturns tried to look appealing, and fell flat on their faces. Now, the cars are looking less bland and more interesting. About damned time (even if they have a deal with Opel). Saturn's come of age since the Sky and the Aura's respective conceptions. I'm going to show some love for this machine. Out of 100% approval, I give this 95% approval. The missing five percent is likely for personal preference, but damn... it's a masterpiece. It's Michaelangelo painting on the Sistine Chapel's ceiling. Saturn's going to win over plenty more doubters as long as Saturn keeps making these great autos.
 
YSSMAN
I'm not upset over it, our small cars generally suck in this country.
They do now. Remember, we used to have things like
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(when it was new)
It seems we've only began to really suck just recently.


I always thought it was amazingly funny, however, that when GM replaced both the S-10 and Cavalier, they replaced them (20 year old cars, mind you, with no real changes other than styling) with cars that were worse. It's like when Dodge replaced the Neon (and to a lesser extent, the Shadow), only far more hilarious (well, maybe not so much more hilarious in the Neon to Caliber case).
That being said, the Cobalt is far better than the Ion was.
 
"And the most improved car design award goes to... Saturn!"

Designing decent-looking and lovely cars is sort of a renaissance for Saturn.

Saturn's going to win over plenty more doubters as long as Saturn keeps making these great autos.

Which would be a good point if it wasn't for the fact that the car is a two year old Vauxhall/Opel.
 
I know about the US not having any corners, still the VXR version should never be allowed in the US, because some cars deserve to be exclusive to some brands.

The VXR is available in the rest of europe as an OPC (opel performance cake?) version anyway so it's not OMG EXCLUSIVE TO VAUXHALL UK GREAT BRITAIN GOD BLESS TEH QUEEN.

Also seconding Vauxhall/Opel seats are terrible.

Also saturn, nice rebadge job on a two year old car!
 
Which would be a good point if it wasn't for the fact that the car is a two year old Vauxhall/Opel.

Two years old to you equals brand-new to us. Look how long it took us to get the MKV Golf over here, then they decide to change the name, and now they are talking about MKVI Golfs already. We have to face facts, we're behind in America, and only now we are catching up.

Good news is that GM is looking to unilateralize (is that the right verb?) their products across the board, as more Opel/Vauxhall products will come to America as Saturns, the Aussie/American sedans will go worldwide, among a few other American sports-cars like the Sky-turn-GT and the Corvette.

Thats good. Saves money, makes the cars better on a level field, and just doesn't sound as silly as selling 12 different cars that all do the same thing in a few different countries.
 
The grille's not working for me. Otherwise, it's awesome to finally see some euro-models coming here, and I'd hope that some of the other manufacturers follow suit. (Ford, VW, Honda, I'm looking at you...)

Hopes for a VXR (Suppose it'd be a "Redline") version came to mind very quickly myself.
 
Two years old to you equals brand-new to us. Look how long it took us to get the MKV Golf over here, then they decide to change the name, and now they are talking about MKVI Golfs already. We have to face facts, we're behind in America, and only now we are catching up.

Good news is that GM is looking to unilateralize (is that the right verb?) their products across the board, as more Opel/Vauxhall products will come to America as Saturns, the Aussie/American sedans will go worldwide, among a few other American sports-cars like the Sky-turn-GT and the Corvette.

Thats good. Saves money, makes the cars better on a level field, and just doesn't sound as silly as selling 12 different cars that all do the same thing in a few different countries.

I was merely correcting John's notion that "Saturn" deserved any plaudits for designing the car.

I don't really care about any other aspect of the Astra because, fancy frock aside, it's just another beige cardigan from the manufacturer of the most anodyne vehicles seen in the UK market. I can't think of anything good to say about it. But then again I just can't think of anything to say about it at all. Welcome to the GM Corolla... :D

(and you are... welcome to it, that is)
 
Well look at it like this. "Fifth Gear" and "Top Gear" were new to most of us who don't have broadband to view YouTube videos of certain episodes. Did we like what we saw? Pretty much so. I think this car will do VERY well in America. Never know if this car may end up being the best hatchback in America since the Honda Civic Si. I think this is going to catch on in much the same way as the Honda Fit did in the States. I actually have high hopes for it in America.


Let's talk percentages. What are the chances (out of 100%)...
(1) ...that this car actually succeeds in America?
(2) ...this car will win over more Saturn doubters/haters?
(3) ...it will be one of America's finest cars in its class?

Have at it.
 
Let's talk percentages. What are the chances (out of 100%)...
(1) ...that this car actually succeeds in America?
I'd say 50:50. Its a quality product, but it is a Saturn.
JohnBM01
(2) ...this car will win over more Saturn doubters/haters?
Very little. Saturn is essentially the butt of any automotive joke you can think of, and it will take more than a single good mainstream car to change that.
The easiest way to do so would be to simply drop the Saturn name for Opel or Vauxhall, as that would merely alienate Saturn's fanbase (all 4 people) to get rid of the ever-struggling brand's perception of lack of quality. They also really wouldn't have to change the cars much to reflect the change, either.
JohnBM01
(3) ...it will be one of America's finest cars in its class?
Pretty good, actually. It has exactly one car that may be able to outdo it, which is the Golf V (or Rabbit, or whatever). Maybe the Civic, but only in Si form.
 
Let's talk percentages. What are the chances (out of 100%)...
(1) ...that this car actually succeeds in America?
(2) ...this car will win over more Saturn doubters/haters?
(3) ...it will be one of America's finest cars in its class?

Have at it.

1) I'd say the car has at least an 80% chance of making a big splash here in America, no questions there. The combination of good looks, decent performance, and presumably solid build quality should make it an attractive option to the mainstream Japanese models, however, the big competition will be in the form of the VW Rabbit, and that should play out as an interesting fight.

2) I think it will create some positive buzz in the Saturn realm, but I can't say for sure whether or not it will erase almost two decades of sub-par cars. If GM is smart, they won't hide the fact that it is indeed an Opel at heart, and maybe run about screaming that it was designed and built by the Germans. I think that with the combination of the Astra, Aura, Sky, VUE, and Outlook, the brand has become an attractive low-price alternative to the Japanese automakers, and has more than enough great products to bring new customers in. Does that automatically make them a winner? Certainly not, but out of all the companies at GM, Saturn is by-far one of the best when it comes to a new product line.

3) Considering the American competition in the small car market, I don't think there is much of a contest outside of the GM Delta cars built down in Illinois. The Caliber is a good idea wrapped in poor packaging, the Focus has a bad case of development asthma, so it pretty much leaves us with the Cobalt and the G5. Good cars, probably the best American models outside of the Astra, but not necessarily the best against the rest. Considering that those Delta models were benchmarked against the MKIV Jetta and Golf, they are obviously slightly behind.

...The Astra should be an interesting alternative to the Rabbit and the Civic, and will certainly get plenty of praise for its good looks and presumably tight driving dynamics. It is questionable how "warm" most Americans will be to the idea of a hatchback, but given sales of the Caliber, it should be too hard to push...
 
Just shows you how bad American drivers are....

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Runs away and hides...

^^ I'm sure that's what you meant to say. Heck, I would have meant it, and I live here. But it applies either way. Is it any coincidence that the most interesting cars being released by the USDM are simply existing cars from Europe, Japan, and Australia?
 
I wouldn't buy one, but I still like it. 👍 At the very least, it'll be nice to see this sweet-looking hatchback on our own roads for a change.
 
...More official pictures, etc coming today...

LLN.com
Saturn today announced the addition of the all-new 2008 Astra to its lineup — a rebadged version of the Opel hatchback by the same name. The Saturn Astra will be offered in three-door and five-door models. Power comes from a 1.8L Ecotec four-cylinder engine, delivering 140 horsepower (104 kW) and good fuel economy.

"In Europe, the Astra's combination of style, performance, safety technology and fuel efficiency have made it a hit with owners and auto critics alike," said Jill Lajdziak, Saturn general manager. "Now, Saturn is bringing the newly restyled Astra to North America and marrying it with our celebrated customer experience."

The Astra will go on sale in the fourth quarter of this year. It is the fifth product in a complete revamp of Saturn's product lineup. In fact, when the Astra hits showrooms, the "oldest" vehicle in Saturn's portfolio will be the Sky roadster, which debuted in March 2006. Other new models include the all-new Aura sedan, the redesigned Vue compact crossover – including the Vue Green Line hybrid – and the Outlook crossover.

"It's not a stretch to say Saturn is all-new," said Lajdziak. "The Astra rounds out our portfolio with a smart-driving, well-equipped small car that shares the European designs evident in all our new vehicles."

Highlights

Saturn offers two trim levels (XE and XR) for five-door models, and a single trim (XR) in the three-door configuration.

The standard powertrain combination in all models is the 1.8L Ecotec DOHC four-cylinder engine, which is paired with a five-speed manual transmission. The Ecotec engine is enhanced with variable valve timing to optimize power output and fuel efficiency. A four-speed automatic transmission is optional on all models.

StabiliTrak electronic stability control system with traction control is standard on all three-door Astras, and available on five-door models. This system works in concert with the standard four-wheel, antilock disc brakes to help the driver maintain control during adverse road conditions or during sudden emergency driving situations.

An electro-hydraulic, rack-and-pinion steering system is standard on all models. It provides the solid, linear feel of a hydraulic power steering system, but improves fuel efficiency by operating the power steering pump only when necessary. The system has two available configurations: the standard 15:1 ratio on five-door models and a 14:1 Sport ratio (standard on the three-door; optional on five-doors).

Five-door Astras come with standard 16-inch wheels, but can be upgraded to 17-inch aluminum wheels. Three-door models come standard with 17-inch aluminum wheels, which can be upgraded to 18-inch aluminum wheels and performance tires.

Interior highlights include:

* Illuminated glove box with damped door actuation
* A large, two-panel sunroof: the largest in its class (available on five-door only)
* Available heated seats in cloth or leather surfaces
* Auxiliary 12-volt power outlet
* Easy-to-remove rear cargo cover
* Power door locks (with central locking feature) and power windows with express down feature
* Standard six-speaker AM/FM/CD radio and available seven-speaker sound system; multi-disc and MP3-capable radios available
* Steering-wheel mounted audio controls (on XR models) Astra's bold proportions, including a long, 103-inch (2,614 mm) wheelbase and 80-inch (2,033 mm) width, provide exceptional roominess and generous storage capacity. The 60/40-split folding rear seat also folds flat with the touch of a single, high-mounted lever. When the rear seat is folded, the five-door Astra offers 44.8 cubic feet (1,270 L) of storage space. Occupant protection features The 2008 Saturn Astra features a comprehensive list of safety systems to help protect occupants in the event of a crash. Highlights include:
* Rigid body structure with safety cage
* Six standard air bags, including dual-stage frontal air bags; roof rail head curtain air bags and thorax/pelvic air bags (front-seat passengers)
* Active head restraints
* Collapsible pedals
* Front safety belt pretensioners and load limiters
* OnStar with one year of Safe & Sound service


Air bags: All Astra models feature dual-stage frontal air bags, seat-mounted thorax/pelvic air bags to help protect front occupants and head curtain air bags for front- and rear-seat occupants. Also standard is an automatic passenger sensing system for the front passenger seat; it suppresses the activation of the passenger-side frontal air bag if it detects a child or smaller-stature person in that seating position.

Active head restraints and collapsible pedals: Standard active head restraints instantly move forward if a rear-end crash is detected, reducing the risk of neck injuries. Similarly, the collapsible foot pedals move during a crash to reduce the risk of leg or ankle injuries. Safety belt pretensioners and load limiters: When a crash is detected, the safety belt pretensioners immediately reduce the slack in the front safety belts, helping limit the movement of passengers. The load limiters permit a small amount of movement in the front safety belts, thereby reducing peak chest loads in a more severe crash.

OnStar: Astra comes with the latest-generation OnStar system, including available Turn-by-Turn Navigation. The system also includes advanced automatic crash notification (AACN). With AACN, an OnStar advisor is immediately contacted by the vehicle when a crash occurs; the advisor can determine the appropriate emergency help required and assist in sending it to the scene of the crash. Astra buyers will receive one year of Safe & Sound Service provided by Saturn.

Nifty! Now how 'bout those pics?

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Hooray!
 
Hooray! :indiff: :lol:
Well, I'm actually split on the car now.

After seeing that interior I'm not too hot on the car any more. I think the dash and steering wheel are ugly.
What I mean is, the car looks clean and sleek but colors are boring. The display in the center looks out of place and the center console seems to be rather uninspired.
The metal materials are getting old in my eyes (I'm sick of seeing every car company try to use brushed alluminium to be futuristic).
The steering wheel looks like they took the spare hubcap of an old Saturn and used it as the base of the steering wheel. If you ask me, the sides of the center piece to that steering wheel should be concave, not convex. 👎
Makes the unit look bulky as if it belongs in a mini-van or something.

On the positive side though, I can see by the little bit of the seat that is visible... This car is definately going to have some comfy supportive seats (probably just like what's found in the Pontiac G6).
 
Never know if this car may end up being the best hatchback in America since the Honda Civic Si.

Which Civic Si? I can tell you right now, the EP Civic Si was NOT a great car. other than that, I'm not sure if the EK or EG hatches were offered as Si hatches in the U.S. I'd say Focus instead of Si

(1) ...that this car actually succeeds in America?

70-80%: Saturn, A.K.A. Opel/Vauxhall North America, is reallly trying to shed it's dowdy image and become a true import competitor, and I think they're doing a damn god job. Hell, the Sky is the sexier of the two Kappas, IMO. I think we're looking at a Cadillac-like image change, similar to what's going on at Holden North America, Pontiac. All they need to keep is that hassle-free buying experience.

If this car follows the lead of the Aura and Sky, It should do a damn good job. If nothing else, the aggressive GM dealers in the Peoria area sould sell a ton of 'em.

(2) ...this car will win over more Saturn doubters/haters?

0-100%: Truly, I have no idea. It could alienate some buyers, and will probably command a higher premium than the Ion...perhaps not on the sticker, but the final, post-haggling price.

(3) ...it will be one of America's finest cars in its class?

80-90%: Is the Aura not? Again, if it follows it's bigger brother's lead, it should do well.
 
Continual driving day after day will do that to a person. Theres a reason why so many truckers have bad backs

Astras arent very good, but they arent that bad, from my own experiences.
That's not really true. The year previous to making the trip with the Astra, we made a trip to Vancouver and Victoria (a total of 4000+ km trip overall) with my dad's Ford Escape which isn't the most luxurious vehicle out there either and we had no problems at all.
 
Well, there is the difference of a vehicle who's seats are designed for rather fat and otherwise overweight Americans and Canadians versus that of the "normal" seats designed for tiny European men and women.

I'll judge when I sit, but I doubt they are much different (at all) to the seats in any recent VW, all of which I find rather comfortable.
 
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