The Spec-V Commeth: Not Much of a Surprise

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So, I'm not allowed to voice my opinion just because it happens to be unpleasant to read? Geez, I didn't know that GTP is in similar state as Germany was on the late 30s..
 
Reventón;3296637
He needs to grow up and accept that these things happen, not just in America. Ferrari, Porsche, Audi, everyone else lives with these issues. Apparently, he can't.
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Exactly, and thats what I don't understand. If you've built a car for people to drive and enjoy, should the people who purchase them not be doing exactly the same thing on their own terms? Although I don't have a local Ferrari or Lamborghini dealer near me, I do know that the Porsches come in frequently driven hard. People drive them year-round, through the ice and snow, blast them down the dirt roads, do track days, and take them to church. They're meant to be driven, and owners do it.

If this is a problem with the Nissan service people, then its up to NISSAN to deal with that exclusively with their dealerships. It is up to them to train them to work on the car, to give them the tools required to work on them. If that wasn't up to snuff before, then quite obviously, Nissan failed at managing their business. This has absolutely nothing to do with how "dumb" Americans are, or how we "don't deserve" the GT-R... It comes down to how Nissan hasn't lived up to expectations of some of the most demanding consumers on Earth.

If he is that upset, fine, keep the damn thing. It looks like the automotive world has already moved passed the GT-R anyway.

I hear the local dealer has one in the showroom, I may stop by and look at it today.
 
Leonidae
So, I'm not allowed to voice my opinion just because it happens to be unpleasant to read? Geez, I didn't know that GTP is in similar state as Germany was on the late 30s..
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You're voicing your opinion on the fact that you're agreeing with him that America isn't mature enough to handle the Spec-V when it's not the top of its class in anything except for the fastest Japanese car on the market.
 
This is quite an interesting PR bit, as it is essentially Nissan admitting that they screwed up GT-R exports. Leonidae's multiple crusades to support Mizuno in everything he says and does ironically just makes Nissan look that much worse.


Regardless, I'll take heart to Mizuno's opinions if Bugatti stops selling the Veyron here for the same reasons.
 
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YSSMAN
This has absolutely nothing to do with how "dumb" Americans are, or how we "don't deserve" the GT-R...
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To be fair no one said how dumb Americans are or you don't deserve it (unless I missed that part), and most of that article came from the authors mouth with assumptions of what Mizuno meant. Mizuno only made few comments how the US isn't ready (which as mentioned could be Nissan USA's fault).

Personally I am happy with what Mizuno and his team has come up with but on the other hand not happy so how he treats owners like they are going to date his teenage daughter.
 
Thats how I felt reading Leoniade's posts, perhaps I should have written that more clearly.
 
Leonidae
So, I'm not allowed to voice my opinion just because it happens to be unpleasant to read? Geez, I didn't know that GTP is in similar state as Germany was on the late 30s..
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Hey, you can say whatever you like. But other people have a right to say that you're being an absolute idiot.
 
A little over a year ago, at the original R35 GT-R's introduction, I asked Mizuno-san about modifications, to which he expressed a strong view that the car shouldn't be touched. Being the new GT-R president, he's used the full power of his administration to control the GT-R market. This includes restricting access to key GT-R replacement parts such as engines and transmissions. It has even gone so far as to prevent tuners from bringing R35s to events such as the Nismo festival. Rumor has it that his feelings go further, impacting everything from the very way Nismo handles the GT-R to the reason why we don't have a blue GT-R.
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Reventón;3296656
This guy's nothing more than a damn cry-baby. He's trying to make sure every single GT-R in the world is taken care of to the fullest extent and stays the way he intended it.
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I was under the impression that the reasoning behind Nissan keeping close tabs on replacement parts and making the GT-R harder for tuners to tinker with isn't because Mizuno is being precious about his baby, it's because the Japanese authorities weren't happy about Nissan releasing a car with a power rating massively over the 276bhp 'gentleman's agreement' they've had with the Japanese manufacturers.
 
Nissan isn't alone in trying to stop people from tuning their cars. Modern OBDII cars are more difficult to tune than previous ones, and, in fact, for some applications, tuning is not available... just not enough demand to justify the hundreds of man-hours required to crack the source code.

Turbos are being cast into manifolds... advanced emissions controls make even changing a simple downpipe or header a hit-or-miss affair... some manufacturers don't even think you should be checking your oil at home... or even your coolant.

This being one of the most important sports cars on the planet of recent years, I do hope he changes his mind... but the aftermarket seems to be getting along fabulously with the GT-R, even without Nissan's help.
 
paskowitz
It looks like this going to give the ACR a run for its money(well twice its money) on the ring. Not hatting on the GTR its a great car but for a 150 grand I would buy this...

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That is still a Ford :D
 
I didnt think the 80 kilo weight loss and carbon fibre would make any difference on this car... Dont think this has been posted yet... sorry if it has been... But now that I saw this video I am surprised... seems the ECU has been remapped and the sound is a bit louder and better than on the original GTR.... Enjoy! 👍

 
mPWRD
Not so fast... apparently Nissan is planning an even faster GT-R...

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/30/a-gt-r-more-wicked-than-the-spec-v-this-way-comes/
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Yup... On the Dutch Autoblog they posted this a while ago... Its suppose to be a street going LM version of the GTR... 600 HP, plus a rendition of what it might look like.... So the stuff in that article could most likely be true.. .:)

http://www.autoblog.nl/archive/2008/11/10/nissan-gt-r-le-mans-edition-600-porsche-vretende-pks
 
Keef
Paskowitz just gave me an idea.

Why has the Ford GT never been raced around the Ring, and why has it never been compared to the GT-R, ZR1, or ACR? Surely it'd be fairly competitive. It's a couple years old, yeah, but it's got game. Just, ARGH, get rid of it's shoddy tires.
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It got 7:42 one time and 7:52 another. The 7:42 is from Octane Magazine 11/05 and the other time is from Sport Auto 2/06.

The 7:42 one weighed less than the other one. (1521 kg vs. 1599 kg) It's not much of a difference so I have know idea why one time is so much slower.
 
TVC
It got 7:42 one time and 7:52 another. The 7:42 is from Octane Magazine 11/05 and the other time is from Sport Auto 2/06.

The 7:42 one weighed less than the other one. (1521 kg vs. 1599 kg) It's not much of a difference so I have know idea why one time is so much slower.
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Because the Green Hell is so long, driver difference/error accounts for a lot, and the 7:42 is also probably a lot slower than what it could do.
 
Would depend on the lap itself and the conditions it was done in. The GT could probably do mid-7:30s on a clean track with a good driver.
 
Yeah considering the length of Nurburgring even small differences (driver, atmospheric conditions etc) make a sizable impact on lap times and you can't just suddenly restart the lap because of a error in a corner or mis-shift, and you can't do too many hard consecutive laps.
 
Official GT time is 7:40.6 by Octane Magazine... I think the best it could get is around 7:34... and that's Koenigsegg territory. I'm surprised that Evo Magazine hasn't tested it... Marc Basseng would do the GT some justice.
 

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