The STI Shows Up; With a $35K Pricetag

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The problem with the STi is that they wrote off everyone who had loved the previous model by making it wagon-only, making it "softer," and lastly, making it hideous. Sure the last of the current STis aren't pretty, but those before it weren't too bad... And while I did prefer the Evolution the whole time, I at the very least respected the STi. But this one?

...Not so much...

The Evo has been branded as "more mature" just as often as the new Impreza, by Mitsubishi, and early tests of prototypes have even said it's less manic. That, and it has far more computer-controlled acronyms than the Subaru's set, but somehow the Subaru gets tagged "softer" or "no longer a driver's car". SCC really enjoyed the new WRX from a driving standpoint, and other than people bitching about the looks (or them dropping signature things like frameless windows :rolleyes:), I haven't really read anything too negative about this new Impreza.

The reasoning for moving to a hatchback made sense. The Impreza's class is primarily hatches the world over, so it made little sense to keep it as a less-practical sedan. Sure, I wouldn't mind a 3-door either, but can someone point out to me where it suddenly became a "non-driver's car"? It's now better value, better built, and probably faster around a track than the previous model. And if we're going to argue that nobody wanted a wagon, because of some notion of right-ness... why did Mitsubishi feel the need to make a IX wagon? Or showcase the X concept as wagon first? Or the continued rumours of the next Lancer wagon getting the Evo treatment? People do want wagons. Hatches have always seemed to hold the upper-hand in rallying, so this just made sense to me.
 
That, and it has far more computer-controlled acronyms than the Subaru's set
Of which only one is actually new, (and which can be completely disabled) with the others just being revisions of the systems that had already been used in Evos VII-IX.
It's now better value, better built, and probably faster around a track than the previous model.
No. It is still overpriced for what it offers. Maybe a better value then before, but that really doesn't mean much (either the WRX or the base 2.5, with the Mazda 3 offering particularly annoying competition). And it still isn't built to anywhere near the class leading standard (though it is far from the worst). And I doubt it will be faster with its increased body roll, far more understeering nature and higher profile tires.
 
The Evo has been branded as "more mature" just as often as the new Impreza, by Mitsubishi, and early tests of prototypes have even said it's less manic. That, and it has far more computer-controlled acronyms than the Subaru's set, but somehow the Subaru gets tagged "softer" or "no longer a driver's car".

Quite right, and I've criticized the Evolution for many of the same issues. Its become too heavy and too computer-controled to be nearly as "fun" as it's predecessors, but at the same time, I often find the Mitsu less off-putting than the Subaru simply because of their more highly-stylized appearance and the seemingly more "genetic" pre-determined nature towards sportier driving.

Then again, I do prefer the R32 over both of them, so clearly I have brain issues...

The reasoning for moving to a hatchback made sense. The Impreza's class is primarily hatches the world over, so it made little sense to keep it as a less-practical sedan.

I don't find this point disagreeable, I love hatchbacks just as much at the other guy, but when Subaru clearly dropped the ball on the overall design and feel of the car (I do have to ask if you've been in a new Impreza yet?), adding some nice outside dressings and more muscle under the hood won't immediately save it from mediocrity. It would be like taking the Mustang, adding "luxury" equipment, but still trying to make it "cool"... Oh wait, they tried that, the Cougar didn't go over too well...

Sure, I wouldn't mind a 3-door either, but can someone point out to me where it suddenly became a "non-driver's car"? It's now better value, better built, and probably faster around a track than the previous model.

Based on the impressions of the "normal" Impreza and the tests of the new WRX, my expectations for this STi are anything but stellar. The previous model, while certainly having an on/off nature to it, was very exciting... This one just doesn't get the blood flowing to the right places. However, I do have issues with some of your other statements here;

Better value? I'd say no, really. The "regular" Impreza at the local dealer was staggeringly expensive for what you were getting, at least that was my impression, as I recall a fair bit over $20K and still lacked some pretty major standard features compared to say a VW Jetta or Honda Civic. Sure, AWD is a bonus, but it still is not a deal-maker for me...

Better built? I'd say no, again. I was very un-impressed with the overall quality of the car, hard plastics, not-too-solid feeling of the doors shutting, old-school cloth seats that really weren't too great, etc.

Faster? We'll have to wait for a full-test, but with the weight gain and really no dramatic increase in power, I'm not expecting numbers to go up as of now...

And if we're going to argue that nobody wanted a wagon, because of some notion of right-ness... why did Mitsubishi feel the need to make a IX wagon? Or showcase the X concept as wagon first? Or the continued rumours of the next Lancer wagon getting the Evo treatment? People do want wagons. Hatches have always seemed to hold the upper-hand in rallying, so this just made sense to me.

Please take note that the Evolution Wagon was never sold in the United States. As a matter of fact, the Wagon version of the Lancer was sold in the US for only two years as I recall... However, does that mean that I don't like the idea? Certainly not!

Once again, the WRX and STi both should have remained sedans in my book, better yet a coupe, mainly for tradition and indeed what does sell best in North America. Certainly we are not the only market in the world, but we are in fact the largest, so that (you would think) would mean something.

Wagons are cool, and they are coming back, but when the execution of the overall package is as unpleasant as this one here, you have to at least understand the reasoning behind mine (and other's) issues with the choice to go hatch/wagon-only. While I did like the previous WRX wagon, it was an option to make it so, something that I was not forced to choose. The STi was sedan-only, and that made sense... Now making it hatch/wagon-only? No, that does not...

I'm probably bellyaching far too much, given that I'd never consider one anyway. But I do care, as this is a big and important version of a big and important car in the market, and Subaru managed to screw it all up while possibly being at their highest point ever in the history of the company. I care because I should, and at the very least I try, but I apologize to the fanboys who find it so appalling that my distaste for these models is so great; They just don't do it for me.
 
Weight went down, not up.

I thought it had increased overall?

...I see a 40 lb difference between the WRX models, my mistake...

It certainly seems like its a lot heavier than the previous model in person.
 
Quite right, and I've criticized the Evolution for many of the same issues. Its become too heavy and too computer-controled to be nearly as "fun" as it's predecessors, but at the same time, I often find the Mitsu less off-putting than the Subaru simply because of their more highly-stylized appearance and the seemingly more "genetic" pre-determined nature towards sportier driving.

Then again, I do prefer the R32 over both of them, so clearly I have brain issues...

So there's nothing incorrect about me stating that people are considering the Subaru the lesser driver's car because of looks, then? I mean, if both have the same criticisms levelled at them. Heh, and I suppose we are kinda uselessly debating if the R32 is your preferred ride, since they're both probably going to end up tough as nails in comparison to it ;).

I don't find this point disagreeable, I love hatchbacks just as much at the other guy, but when Subaru clearly dropped the ball on the overall design and feel of the car (I do have to ask if you've been in a new Impreza yet?), adding some nice outside dressings and more muscle under the hood won't immediately save it from mediocrity. It would be like taking the Mustang, adding "luxury" equipment, but still trying to make it "cool"... Oh wait, they tried that, the Cougar didn't go over too well...

I have, and I was mildly impressed with the interior. Not ecstatic, but I preferred it over the funk of the Civic interior. As Toronado mentioned though; the 3 is still a competitor, and I've always been a fan of it too, but on a very quick initial impression, the Impreza (2.5) felt nearly as well screwed-together as the 3's insides.

Based on the impressions of the "normal" Impreza and the tests of the new WRX, my expectations for this STi are anything but stellar. The previous model, while certainly having an on/off nature to it, was very exciting... This one just doesn't get the blood flowing to the right places. However, I do have issues with some of your other statements here;

I don't see what's necessarily bad about losing the on/off nature. In something like a Type-R, I always felt that was the appeal, but I'd rather have a more modern turbo experience, with smoother, big-engine kinds of pull.

Better value? I'd say no, really. The "regular" Impreza at the local dealer was staggeringly expensive for what you were getting, at least that was my impression, as I recall a fair bit over $20K and still lacked some pretty major standard features compared to say a VW Jetta or Honda Civic. Sure, AWD is a bonus, but it still is not a deal-maker for me...

Better built? I'd say no, again. I was very un-impressed with the overall quality of the car, hard plastics, not-too-solid feeling of the doors shutting, old-school cloth seats that really weren't too great, etc.

Faster? We'll have to wait for a full-test, but with the weight gain and really no dramatic increase in power, I'm not expecting numbers to go up as of now...

Remember that I did mean these in comparison to the previous car. It'll carry more, it's cleaner, and the price has actually lowered (at least up here). I never expected the build quality to be top-of-class, but it felt a lot better than a car that came around in 2000. And I'll stick to the faster comment; if we were going strictly by numbers, we'd again be stuck having to assume the Evo would be slower now, but so far it's been faster. The STI, I would assume, will still pull up an advantage over the last generation because they're working with a better base now.

Once again, the WRX and STi both should have remained sedans in my book, better yet a coupe, mainly for tradition and indeed what does sell best in North America. Certainly we are not the only market in the world, but we are in fact the largest, so that (you would think) would mean something.

While we are, I hope some manufacturers continue to ignore it when it comes to building their cars. What do North Americans love? Camries. And I don't want any more of those ;). In seriousness, I don't have any figures available, but I'd hazard a guess that while we're probably a fairly big Impreza market, the rest of the world buys more of them, and so it makes sense to better compete with its class on those terms, not on ours. It would be interesting to see the numbers, though.

Wagons are cool, and they are coming back, but when the execution of the overall package is as unpleasant as this one here, you have to at least understand the reasoning behind mine (and other's) issues with the choice to go hatch/wagon-only. While I did like the previous WRX wagon, it was an option to make it so, something that I was not forced to choose. The STi was sedan-only, and that made sense... Now making it hatch/wagon-only? No, that does not...

Since it's been mentioned, the Mazda 3's a good comparison. The hi-po model is wagon-only, and nobody's complained. I do see your point, but Subaru isn't exactly Nissan-Renault sized, allowing for a myriad of shapes for any one model. If the only main market for a sedan was North America, the decision to carry-over from the last generation made sense. As for a coupe; they killed it off because they saw death in the market. Sure, coupes are back now, but I can't really blame Subaru for being hesitant to bring one back. It's hardly "tradition" when half of the Impreza's life has been coupe-less. Plus, a hatch-only STI has a pretty good halo effect on the rest of the range if it resembles them. But yes, I do agree that choice is always good. It's just that a hatch body seems to make so much sense for their performance aspirations. I can't say I'm opposed to the sedan getting the treatment. But I know it'll just look like an afterthought.

I'm probably bellyaching far too much, given that I'd never consider one anyway. But I do care, as this is a big and important version of a big and important car in the market, and Subaru managed to screw it all up while possibly being at their highest point ever in the history of the company. I care because I should, and at the very least I try, but I apologize to the fanboys who find it so appalling that my distaste for these models is so great; They just don't do it for me.

Agreed, but let's be honest; Subaru will probably just give the thing a facelift every two years like the last one!
 
Maybe Subaru should have gone STi with at least the Sedan and the wagon style. All the wagon talk has reminded me of Lancia Delta, which was a rally car with cult following. I think wagons are great.

Having said that, I can totally relate to the traditionalists. It's a big change in the direction for this car. I prefer the wagon, but sedan probably would've sold better.
 
-> Ok, since I've been busy for the past few days, I didn't noticed this thread since yesterday. And today was the perfect time to exhaust my opinions.

OT-> Who in the bloody hell (a little brit speak there) think this new STI is a wagon? C'on, this car is miles away to be even considered it as a wagon. Wagons have similar or longer wheelbases compared to it sedan and 5-dr hatch siblings. If since wagons and 5-dr hatches have quite similar puposes, they are different when it becomes to sheetmetal design. And the rear overhang of the wagon is similar to the sedan, while the 5-dr hatch features a shorter rear overhang or similar to its 3-dr sibling.

Example of the wagon (2006):
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And a sedan (2006):
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Example of a 5-dr hatch (2008):
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And a sedan (2008):
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-> Hey, even Sport Compact Car said that "the wagon is dead". That '08 WRX 5-dr is a hatch, not a wagon.

BT-> The new STI looks way more proportional compared to the WRX/S-GT, those flares deserves to be on my wagon.

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^ Somehow it became less-ugly, it has become more tolerable since the WRX/S-GT thew me up. But those quad-pipes looks ricey-BS in my opinion. My hopes are high on this variant, because the STi's are more fun to drive than Evo's has ever been.

:)
 
Example of the wagon (2006):
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Example of a 5-dr hatch (2008):
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The only reason the old Impreza is any more wagon than the new one is because the rear bumper sticks out more. Chop off the extend-a-bumper off of the old Impreza and the profile is essentially identical with pretty much the same rear overhang and rear glass slope. The Impreza has either always been (and still is) a 5 door hatch or has always been (and still is) a wagon.
 
Chop off the extend-a-bumper off of the old Impreza and the profile is essentially identical with pretty much the same rear overhang and rear glass slope.

💡 Too bad the same couldn't be said for looks.
 
Not sure if this has been posted yet so I figured I would post it. :D
Also, are there any good videos of the new Sti... I can't wait for Best Motoring to do a 2009 Evo vs Sti. :trouble: (I know I've said that before :dopey: )

 
The Evo has been branded as "more mature" just as often as the new Impreza, by Mitsubishi, and early tests of prototypes have even said it's less manic. That, and it has far more computer-controlled acronyms than the Subaru's set, but somehow the Subaru gets tagged "softer" or "no longer a driver's car".

The Subaru came out first, and first-hand drives for the finished Evo X do not exist yet. No one has slammed the STI's drive -- yet -- but the WRX has been universally slammed for being just a step above a Camry, which is hardly a paragon of driver involvement.

SlipZtrEm
SCC really enjoyed the new WRX from a driving standpoint, and other than people bitching about the looks (or them dropping signature things like frameless windows :rolleyes:), I haven't really read anything too negative about this new Impreza.

It's funny you should mention SCC, since they haven't been a source of intelligence (Dave Coleman excepted) for more than 3 years with this new crew. As for all other sources, I have yet to see a review that -- while saying nothing excessively bad about the car -- considers the car an improvement over the previous model.
 
The Subaru came out first, and first-hand drives for the finished Evo X do not exist yet. No one has slammed the STI's drive -- yet -- but the WRX has been universally slammed for being just a step above a Camry, which is hardly a paragon of driver involvement.

True, but you've also complained that the 2.5 liter they went to in 2006 is too "soft," while I thought the car was still very much a driver's car.

harrytuttle
It's funny you should mention SCC, since they haven't been a source of intelligence (Dave Coleman excepted) for more than 3 years with this new crew. As for all other sources, I have yet to see a review that -- while saying nothing excessively bad about the car -- considers the car an improvement over the previous model.

Too true about SCC... I've been seeing a decline in their quality, excluding Coleman (who is awesome) :indiff: Its sad too because they use to be really big on junkyard setups and such. And this recent USCC challenge has a Z06 in it... thats not really a compact car last I checked :indiff:
 
So it's now the STI-T: Suspension Thrown In Trash.
 
The Subaru came out first, and first-hand drives for the finished Evo X do not exist yet. No one has slammed the STI's drive -- yet -- but the WRX has been universally slammed for being just a step above a Camry, which is hardly a paragon of driver involvement.



It's funny you should mention SCC, since they haven't been a source of intelligence (Dave Coleman excepted) for more than 3 years with this new crew. As for all other sources, I have yet to see a review that -- while saying nothing excessively bad about the car -- considers the car an improvement over the previous model.

I believe the Evo X came out first. Is there any way to confirm which came out first? (as in, delivered to the market in final production form)

Btw, you lost me at a step above the camry because no respectable person or self-respecting auto enthusiast, or self respecting journalist would call any Sti of any generation of WRX "just a step above the camry." :rolleyes:
 
You know, this thing on the Evo X looking "Grown Up," I Don't quite get, because, whenever I look at it, I see a 7/8ths scale R35 Nissan GT-R. For a 1/3 scale price. The STi reminds me a bit of Toyota's Caldina GT-Four...which si rather obscure, and about the same. I also like the Mitsu 'cuz it's the underdog, and it's "normal" version looks better. I'd actually consider a Lancer GTS over an Impreza.

I still don't think the bumper looks functional enough, the straked, "DL-109" Foglights especially irk me, (Again, I ask, Why? I think the last one to come with foglights standard was the STI ver I.) and the connection to the WRC car is no longer as strong as the last GD. I'd hope you could get the WRC bumper somewhere. I like that. has a nice, manly, purposeful look to it. Too much detail on the STi.
 
Round like a Toyota, Edgy like a Nissan, Too much detail for detail's sake. not to mention, a completely new design direction...

you know, I didn't much mind the "airplane" look...so long as it resided betwen the headlights...
 
Actually, look at the roofline. The old one is a proper small wagon, the new one is a hatchback. Wagon=taller, less slopy coupelike roofline.
 
Compared to the Sti of this thread I'd say that concept looks horrible. :yuck:
I hope that's not the direction of the next re-style... That doesn't look very good in my opinion... It looks like a mix of the Evo wagon and the Caldina. :indiff:
I'd much rather have the Sti. 👍
 
will anyone agree with me that it is like subaru is no longer taking a rally car and taming it for street use, but now they are making rather mediocre hatchbacks (witch a WRX shouldnt be anyway) and making them look like boy ricers. this gen is hopeless in the looks category. hopefully this is the only gen like it and subaru will move on. they tend to do that sometimes ;)
 
I always thought that all non STI imprezas looked crap.

The WRX also lost its appeal a long time ago. No longer was it a performance bargain, because for less money you could buy a seat leon FR, which was faster, held onto its value better and had a much nicer interior.
 
I always thought that all non STI imprezas looked crap.

The WRX also lost its appeal a long time ago. No longer was it a performance bargain, because for less money you could buy a seat leon FR, which was faster, held onto its value better and had a much nicer interior.

1st sentence-> Well compared to the STi, it looked blander but better than any regular Impreza's. I still haven't forgotten the [GC sedan] 2.0 GT {220hp, H-4 turbo} that car wasn't even a WRX and that thing was a beaut in my eyes back then. :)

Impreza 2.0GT Turbo [EUDM/ASDM]
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2nd sentence-> I do agree on that statement since they released the 1st GD model (aka. the bug-eye). Nowadays, the WRX is more of an upscale luxury trim rather than a high intensity performance pocket rocket. It like the Mk.III Golf GTI back in the "dark days". Good thing I bought my wagon 'on time'. :indiff:
 
Actually, look at the roofline. The old one is a proper small wagon, the new one is a hatchback. Wagon=taller, less slopy coupelike roofline.
So, because it loses 1 cm off the roofline and has a slope of maybe 3 degrees (which, I remind you, the Impreza wagon always had behind the rear doors, and that the new car doesn't move at all in relation to the side view in that the slope starts at the same place), its car classification is completely different? Despite the side profile still being practically identical, as well as the rear overhang? Next you are going to be saying it is a hatchback because the rear quarter window design is different.
 
True, but you've also complained that the 2.5 liter they went to in 2006 is too "soft," while I thought the car was still very much a driver's car.

Not 2006, 2008.


I believe the Evo X came out first. Is there any way to confirm which came out first? (as in, delivered to the market in final production form)

The WRX is currently on sale, and has been for over two months.

Kent
Btw, you lost me at a step above the camry because no respectable person or self-respecting auto enthusiast, or self respecting journalist would call any Sti of any generation of WRX "just a step above the camry." :rolleyes:

Drive it. It's garbage.
 
This thing is hideous. I'm flabbergasted at the lack of car taste by the members.

:yuck:
 
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