The Virtual Track Day Series: Closed

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Don't be stupid! I'm a single man, and in my leisure time, I drive a 200bhp sports coupe, an old Land Rover (erm, downhill only, at the moment...) or a Sportsbike. I have less than no interest in driving a minibus: ie it's not so much that I don't want to drive the Odyssey, it's more that I WANT to NOT drive the oversized tourist baggage-on-wheels. My ambition to drive such a multi-seated shopping trolley is so low, it is negative. My parents have a Zafira and a Skoda Fabia, and of the two, I would rather drive the Skoda, and I have no wish to drive that. That is how little I want to drive the Oddyssey. It's hardly going to handle better than a Peugeot 205T16, a Caterham or a Ruf RGT now, is it? It's going to be a lardy old bus that topples and understeers round corners with little or no precision and the responsiveness of a stoned tortoise. And even if it handled like an F1 car, I wouldn't care, because then it would be disregarding the laws of physics and would teach me nothing.

So in fact, I know that I don't want to. REALLY!

Edit: Latest times now in first post.
 
your parents rule :D they have a skoda(love them) :lol: one guy of a board im on has his octavia 4x4 at a tuning company at the mo,soon to have 500bhp :D
 
FastEddie12
Don't be stupid! I'm a single man, and in my leisure time, I drive a 200bhp sports coupe, an old Land Rover (erm, downhill only, at the moment...) or a Sportsbike. I have less than no interest in driving a minibus: ie it's not so much that I don't want to drive the Odyssey, it's more that I WANT to NOT drive the oversized tourist baggage-on-wheels. My ambition to drive such a multi-seated shopping trolley is so low, it is negative. My parents have a Zafira and a Skoda Fabia, and of the two, I would rather drive the Skoda, and I have no wish to drive that. That is how little I want to drive the Oddyssey. It's hardly going to handle better than a Peugeot 205T16, a Caterham or a Ruf RGT now, is it? It's going to be a lardy old bus that topples and understeers round corners with little or no precision and the responsiveness of a stoned tortoise. And even if it handled like an F1 car, I wouldn't care, because then it would be disregarding the laws of physics and would teach me nothing.

So in fact, I know that I don't want to. REALLY!

Edit: Latest times now in first post.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh My God Ed! You made me laugh so hard with that! I remember the old oddyssey, the buggy thing (or is that an aussie thing?)
 
I had this car already for suzuka but i forgot about it

Modern Division - Sports 1300kg +

Proto Spirra

Engine Specs

* Type/Model: V8
* Displacement: 4601cc
* Power (stock): 319 HP @ 6000 RPM
* Torque (stock): 43.5 kg.fm @ 4500 RPM


Dimensions & Weight

* Dimensions: 4318x1932x1175
* Weight (stock): 1205 kg

Chassis

* Drivetrain: MR

Modifications

* Exhaust: Sports
* Racing-Chip: None
* NA-Tuning: Stage 1 - suzuka mod- Stage 2 Laguna Seca mod
* Tire Type: Hard (S1)
* Turbine Kit: N/A
* Intercooler: None
* Supercharger: N/A
* Brakes: Racing
* Brake Controller: None
* Suspension: Sports
* Clutch: None
* Flywheel: Racing
* Carbon Driveshaft: N/A
* Downforce: N/A
* Limited-Slip: Standard
* Weight Balance: None


* Port Polish: None
* Engine Balancing: None
* Displacement UP: None
* Weight Reduction: None
* Increase Rigidity (Roll-Cage): No
* Rigidity Refresher Plan: N/A

Oil Change: Yes

Power (Modified): 383 HP @ 5500 RPM
Torque (Modified): 50.4 kg.fm @ 3500 RPM
Weight (Modified): Stock

Time : 1.33.854 - Eddie your RUF is next :sly:
 
Another session in the Alfa, with some different suspension settings and racing my Clio ghost this time, took .7s out of my best time, well pleased:tup:

Actually got in front of the Clio on the corner after the corkscrew but the Alfa is not as good exiting the final tight left where the Clio leaves it for dead down the main straight, shows how fast the Clio accelerates as that straight alone is worth about .5s over the Alfa!

Couple of photos of the two in action...


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Time post updated

cheers

David
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
nice clio pics!!!! love the style copying the clio williams :D
you should take more :p

Cheers:tup:

The Clio is actually wearing a set of Impreza wheels, the gold goes lovely with that blue!...(The Alfa sports a set of BBS016's which sort of work with its age)

Looking at the time sheets for Laguna Seca Im quite pleased with my trio's performances, I think im about at the limit I can achieve from them realistically, with only the odd 10th here and there to find.

Done 120odd miles in the Alfa, 80ish in the Clio and just 45 in the 5 turbo at this circuit!

Must say to Fasteddie12 good choice on the circuits, I have learnt a lot about Laguna and Suzuka west - 2 circuits I didnt visit very much at all previously, looking forward to Tsukuba wet although I have the feeling that the Clio is going to get challenging there....

Dave
 
Dave_George
Cheers:tup:

The Clio is actually wearing a set of Impreza wheels, the gold goes lovely with that blue!..
i think ill go and get a clio and do that :p
just like the idea of a modern day clio williams 👍
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FastEddie12
Semi-racing would be fine as your next mod, Deathwish. Joining here at Laguna, we'll allow you 2 mods (one for Suzuka and one for Laguna) so you're not at a disadvantage to the rest of us cheating reprobates. What cars are you bringing to the party?

I hope you can follow the rules: they seem complicated, but with such a variety of cars available, we had to do something to make everyone competitive in anything. Scaff messed it all up, of course, by bringing his Gran's car :D

Come along in, Deathwish, the racing's lovely and warm...



[INTEREST] Oh really??!![/INTEREST]

I'm probably bringin the Acura Nsx '04 to the party mate,, Lovely car,, I didn't know I was allowed to have two mods,, My time and specs will probably be up tomorrow:)
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
i think ill go and get a clio and do that :p
just like the idea of a modern day clio williams 👍
clioevanprinc.jpg

Great car:tup:

If you get one have a stab at my 1'44.887 with it? Be interested to see how competitive I am here, not much happening down in the > 1'40.000s!!

Can mail you the replay file if your maxdrive equipped?

BTW Holden did you see my post about the RS6? Actually got quite attached to it after a few laps, that V8 makes one hell of a noise!

regards

Dave
 
Dave_George

BTW Holden did you see my post about the RS6? Actually got quite attached to it after a few laps, that V8 makes one hell of a noise!

regards

Dave
i did,the noise is addictive,i keep looking back with the incar view to listen to the noise,with the stock exhaust it sounds normal till around 3500rpm then the V8 grumble just takes over :D
 
Well, I got tired of all this 4-wheeled madness, so I snuck out on the track on my 2005 Honda CBR600 RR. Fun!

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Had a few moments however
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And the corkscrew is a killer unless you get it JUST right
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I had to give all you guys in the pits a bit of a show too
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Sorry, I just got TT, and couldn't resist! Please don't let this turn into a TT photo thread!

In other news, I am awaiting a delivery of tyres, but I don't think I can go much quicker this week, I haven't got a lot of time this week.
 
boomboy
I had this car already for suzuka but i forgot about it

Modern Division - Sports 1300kg +

Proto Spirra

Dimensions & Weight

* Dimensions: 4318x1932x1175
* Weight (stock): 1205 kg


Is that one in the correct category? Its quite a way under 1300kg in stock trim:idea:

regards

David
 
Dave_George
Is that one in the correct category? Its quite a way under 1300kg in stock trim:idea:

regards

David

Didn't even notice that! Too busy arsing around! The class is actually 1200kg+, so that car is allowed in that class. Typo
 
Well I decided to join,, and after around 20 laps at The Laguna Seca I managed to get this,, First off the car and its specs:

Modern Division


Name: Acura Nsx '04
Power: 325 Bhp @ 7100 Rpm modified
Torque: 350.64 NM @ 5500 Rpm Modified
Motor: V6 DOHC
Displacement: 3179 cc
Weight: 1301 KG Modified
Power to weight ratio: 3.954
Drivetrain: MR
Aspiration: NA
Mods
Sports exhaust
Sports suspension
Na tune 1 :Suzuka Mod
S1 tyres
Oil change
Weight reduction stage 1 Laguna Seca mod
Racing flywheel

Time: 1'36.970 Probably my final time with this car ( don't laugh:tup: ) Maybe I'll enter in other classes,,
Is this as stated above correct?

Also I found that the car was more of a sports car in racing disguise,, if you get what I mean,, It handles brilliant,, but I think it doesn't have the torque or power to be called a real supercar.. I had a blast with this car,, trying to find the best way in,, and best way out at every corner... Which seems to be really easy with this car because it handles so easy and secure...
 
Welcome Deatthwishoo, yes that is correct. I know what you mean about the NSX being a race car in disguise, it's an absolute blast to drive.

That time is quite respectable, so don't worry about that at all!
 
Modern
1998 Audi S4

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Drivertrain: 4WD
NA/Turbo: Turbo

Exhaust: sports
Racing-Chip: None
NA-Tuning: None
Tire Type: S1
Nitrous: None
Turbine Kit: Stage one Laguna mod
Intercooler: None
Supercharger: None
Brakes: Normal
Brake controller: None
Suspension: Sports
Transmission: Standard
Clutch: sports suzuka mod
Flywheel: Racing
Carbon Driveshaft: None
Driving Aids: 0/0/0
Downforce: 0
Limited-slip: Standard
AYC Controller: None
Variable Center Diff.: Standard
Weight Balance: 0/0

Port Polish: None
Engine Balancing: None
Displacement UP: None
Weight Reduction: None
Increase Rigidity: None
Rigidity Refresher Plan: None

Oil change: yes

Power: 293HP
Weight: 1510kg


best so far : 1:41.790
seemed to be some grip problems with the S4 mid corner when i started to accerate leading to come understeer on the exit but nothing major.

budget
Audi quattro 1982

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Drivertrain: 4WD
NA/Turbo: Turbo

Exhaust: sports
Racing-Chip: YesLaguna mod
NA-Tuning: None
Tire Type: S1
Nitrous: None
Turbine Kit: stage 1
Intercooler: None
Supercharger: None
Brakes: Normal
Brake controller: None
Suspension: Sports
Transmission: Standard
Clutch: sports suzuka mod
Flywheel: Racing
Carbon Driveshaft: None
Driving Aids: 0/0/0
Downforce: 0
Limited-slip: Standard
AYC Controller: None
Variable Center Diff.: Standard
Weight Balance: 0/0

Port Polish: None
Engine Balancing: None
Displacement UP: None
Weight Reduction: None
Increase Rigidity: None
Rigidity Refresher Plan: None

Oil change: yes

Power: 200HP stock 262 now
Weight: 1290kg

best so far : 1:45.996

Millionaire
2005 BMW M5

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Drivertrain: FR
NA/Turbo: N/A

Exhaust: sports
Racing-Chip: None
NA-Tuning: stage 1Laguna mod
Tire Type: S1
Nitrous: None
Turbine Kit: None
Intercooler: None
Supercharger: None
Brakes: Normal
Brake controller: None
Suspension: Sports
Transmission: Standard
Clutch: sports suzuka mod
Flywheel: Racing
Carbon Driveshaft: None
Driving Aids: 0/0/0
Downforce: 0
Limited-slip: Standard
AYC Controller: None
Variable Center Diff.: Standard
Weight Balance: 0/0

Port Polish: None
Engine Balancing: None
Displacement UP: None
Weight Reduction: None
Increase Rigidity: None
Rigidity Refresher Plan: None

Oil change: no

Power: 507HP stock now 563BHP
Weight: 1715kg

best so far : 1.31.941

Good car,plenty of tail out action but ended up the lowest gear i could use was 3rd to keep traction,couldnt use 1st or 2nd.

Tsukuba wet should be intresting :lol:
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
Modern
1998 Audi S4


Power: 293HP
Weight: 1510kg


best so far : 1:41.790
seemed to be some grip problems with the S4 mid corner when i started to accerate leading to come understeer on the exit but nothing major.

That S4 looks to be understeering in the pic too, have you tried adjusting the sports suspension to try and neutralise it a bit? Looks like your S4 and my Renault 5 are quite equal time wise this week, be interesting to see how much you pull out of it before sat...Will have to see if I can go any quicker - if the car will start:nervous:


Holdenhsvgtsr
budget
Audi quattro 1982


Power: 200HP stock 262 now
Weight: 1290kg

best so far : 1:45.996

Love that car:tup:

Holdenhsvgtsr
Millionaire
2005 BMW M5


Power: 507HP stock now 563BHP
Weight: 1715kg

best so far : 1.31.941

Good car,plenty of tail out action but ended up the lowest gear i could use was 3rd to keep traction,couldnt use 1st or 2nd.

Tsukuba wet should be intresting :lol:

That should be devastating at the Ring in a few weeks, could be one of the fastest out there.

@Fasteddie12 - Noticed you edited into the 1st post of this thread one of my times for the Alfa from yesterday, if you find any post from me and click the "MY TIMEPOST" link at the bottom it will open you up the page with my current times in - all designed to save you time!!

regards

David
 
your Renault 5 is just scary fast :scared:
might lower the S4 later on tonight see if it makes a difference,took off the stage 1 and it did stop it understeering alot and ended up only being .3 of a second slower.
just had a go in the M5 on Tsukuba wet and i was getting wheelspin in 7th GEAR!!!!! looks like it might need to be detuned,but hopefully the audi's 4WD will help them :)
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
your Renault 5 is just scary fast :scared:
might lower the S4 later on tonight see if it makes a difference,took off the stage 1 and it did stop it understeering alot and ended up only being .3 of a second slower.
just had a go in the M5 on Tsukuba wet and i was getting wheelspin in 7th GEAR!!!!! looks like it might need to be detuned,but hopefully the audi's 4WD will help them :)

Well the stage1 wont cause understeer, not braking earlier due to the extra speed gained with the stage1 WILL!!

To cure out some of the understeer try to either:

Lower/soften the front of the car a bit (Nothing extreme just start a few clicks from default)

or

Raise and stiffen the rear (which will create oversteer)


You might find you need to use a bit of camber, again a bit more at the front will encourage a bit more grip there.

My Alfa is critical with camber - when your looking for 10ths of seconds an extra click of camber can be felt when driving:)

The good thing about sports suspension is that it has a significant effect whilst being easy to use.

Another tip I usually use is to make use of the "a" "b" and "c" settings within the setup screen, I try A as a neutral setup, B as a slightly understeer biased and C as a slightly oversteer biased one, a lap or two with each will tell you what works for your car and it only takes 2 mins to pop some values in!

The Renault 5 is quite fast isnt it! Not in a straight line, it makes its time up in the bends.

For Tsukuba I predict that

1)My Renault 5 with its oversteering tendancies will be spinning like a top at every available opportunity

2)Holdenhsvgtsr might just need to introduce the M5 to "Traction control":lol:

3)My Clio will be using its front spoiler for a spot of grass trimming when it understeers off every corner:scared:

regards

David
 
Dave_George
@Fasteddie12 - ...click the "MY TIMEPOST" link at the bottom...

Got that, cheers Dave. Just beginning to make these shortcuts second nature...

Good to see the Proton, Boomboy, but I think it's technically not allowed, you really need something from the Millionaire's Division: - it's under C100,000 (in PAL at least) so comes under the modern Division, the same as your Focus (astonishing time for that at Suzuka, BTW 👍 ), and you should choose 3 cars from different Divisions.

Is it over C100,000 in your version? If so it stands. If not... I think we'll need a Steward's decision on whether or not we can promote you to the Millionaire's Division. I'm game, as I'd like a bit of competition :D, but others may feel "rules are rules".

Sheesh, that M5 is fast, Holden! :) But don't worry, my latest time is only 3/100ths behind! :D Can't wait for Tsukuba! :lol:
 
cheers ill give it ago later,the understeer doenst happen on the entry to the corner though it feels nutrual then,its when you get on the power on the exit it starts to push wide and i have to lift of a little 3/4's of the way through to nutrual it then get back on the power.

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FastEddie12
Sheesh, that M5 is fast, Holden! :) But don't worry, my latest time is only 3/100ths behind! :D Can't wait for Tsukuba! :lol:
could have been abit quicker if i could use second :lol: tried tcs on level 3 but was half a second slower overall as after the corkscrew the none TCS ghost car pulled away.
i think all of the big power cars will really struggle with tsukuba wet
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
cheers ill give it ago later,the understeer doenst happen on the entry to the corner though it feels nutrual then,its when you get on the power on the exit it starts to push wide and i have to lift of a little 3/4's of the way through to nutrual it then get back on the power.

Ah ok so maybe the answer there might be a VCD controller to send a bit more of the power to the rear wheels instead of the front....

Your description of cornering sounds like my Clio, lifting allows the front wheels to regain some grip, so at present your S4 is prob driving more like an FF than an FR. Some suspension work should still help matters though:tup:

cheers

David
 
It handles brilliant,, but I think it doesn't have the torque or power to be called a real supercar.. I had a blast with this car,, trying to find the best way in,, and best way out at every corner... Which seems to be really easy with this car because it handles so easy and secure...

:bowdown: Ayrton Senna

I was driving the GT on Tsukuba wet. Damn good thing it is MR. Plenty of weight on the back.
 
FastEddie12
Thanks for the little set-up lesson Dave! You'll get a red tick if I'm allowed...👍

Cheers Eddie, tuning puts a fun element into the driving, that elusive set up your looking for can always find the .5s you need type of thing! I must say thanks to Scaff as it was himself I turned to when running the Nurburgring race series a while back and unsure what to do!

One thing I would say is dont make too big changes, take small steps from the default values, 1st step is to assess what the car is doing right and wrong and take it from there. (In my findings extreme settings produce cars that are "on the edge" which suits some people I suppose)

And nice one on the links you put into your sig:tup:

regards

David
 
Dave_George
I must say thanks to Scaff as it was himself I turned to when running the Nurburgring race series a while back and unsure what to do!
👍 Thanks Dave

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Regards

Scaff
 
Dave_George
Ah ok so maybe the answer there might be a VCD controller to send a bit more of the power to the rear wheels instead of the front....

Your description of cornering sounds like my Clio, lifting allows the front wheels to regain some grip, so at present your S4 is prob driving more like an FF than an FR. Some suspension work should still help matters though:tup:

cheers

David
hmm VCD might be a good mod for tsukuba
whats the oversteer setting for it?
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
hmm VCD might be a good mod for tsukuba
whats the oversteer setting for it?

Here you go, have a read



But the short answer is, the lower the setting the lower the power sent to the front wheels (and so the more that is sent to the rear) and the more the car will generally behave like a RWD car.

Regards

Scaff
 
Wow! Thanks again Dave (and Scaff too, come to that :D)! I've just shaved a second from my Peugeot time: it's now 1'35.626!

I was able to dial out a fair bit of the understeer, thanks to your succinct comments. :cheers: It's funny, I know all the principles, but it's not often I see the effects so clearly in practice!
 
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