The Winter Testing thread

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It's that time of year again - the off-season. There's still a hundred and twenty days until the Bahrain Grand Prix, and that time is usually filled with testing. But the ban on testing has been extended such that the only people who are allowed to test are drivers who hae less than three Grands Pix starts to their name, at least for now. Since most of the testing will take place after the car launches, I've included that in this thread.

The first of these young driver training sessions will take place in December with the teams bringing a plethora of new faces at Jerez de la Frontera. Ferrari will be running Daniel Zamperi, Marco Zilpoli and Mexican teenager Pablo Sanchez Lopez, in keeping with the policy of offering Formula One tests to the top three finishers in Italian F3. Red Bull will show up with Australian Daniel Ricciardo, while Brendon Hartley from the other side of The Ditch will be testing for Toro Rosso. He'll be joined by Mirko Bortoltti, who tested for Ferrari last year and set an unofficial lap time around Maranello.

Elsewhere, Formula Two champion Andy Soucek will test for Williams on their first day, before Nico Hulkenberg takes over to get some expereince going before his debut. Despte their withdrawal, BMW Sauber will honour their arrangement with Formula BMW champions Alexander Rossi and Esteban Gutierrez. McLaren stalwart Gary Paffet will contine his duties for the Woking team, while Renault have announced that they will be giving World Series champion Bertrand Baguette a run. The final team expected to show up is Force India, who will come with Karun Chandhok, though Chandhok denies it. Finally, Toyota were expected to show up and give Kamui Kobayashi some time, but their wihdrawal means that will not be happening.

Discuss.
 
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It will be a very very interesting season. I'm sure that Ferrari will be again in Top Notch since they have been working on the car for more than 6 months now. It will be interesting to see how drivers will be adapting themselves to the fact that they will be driving a very very heavy car at the start of the races. However I'm very positive about the return back of the proper qualifying, all of the drivers will have enough fuel for 3 laps. That will mean that the best car + driver will take pole and not the one with less fuel onboard.

McLaren will be challenging aswell while I am expecting a good season also from Red Bull and Brawn. Renault will most probably fight for the middle of the field. I cannot see any surprises from the new commers.

It is very difficult to draw a straight line, however, I have the feeling that Ferrari will get the best out of the 2010 season even though there will be harsh battle for points between Alonso and Massa. One has to see for whom important drivers like Raikkonen and Rosberg will race. However it will be an interesting season.
 
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Ferrari will be running Marco Zipoli
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I'm quite excited about him actually, I did 5 races with him in 2008 in an rFactor F1 league.

He was supposed to drive in F2 this year, but for some reason he dropped out at the last minute. Maybe lack of funding or something.

I'm hoping he'll manage to secure an F2 or GP2 drive for next season.
 
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Red Bull will show up with Australian Daniel Ricciardo, while Brendon Hartley from the other side of The Ditch will be testing for Toro Rosso.
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That has made me glad. Daniel has got a testing seat. And good on Bendon. Here's to winter testing :cheers:
 
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Despte their withdrawal, BMW Sauber will honour their arrangement with Formula BMW champions Alexander Rossi and Esteban Gutierrez.
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So what's going to happen to these two after they get their test sessions out of the way? Go apply to different teams and see if they can land a seat somewhere? What happens if they don't?
 
ty00123
So what's going to happen to these two after they get their test sessions out of the way? Go apply to different teams and see if they can land a seat somewhere? What happens if they don't?
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BMW aren't doing it to give them experience in order to hire them, well that was the initial intention, but now they are simply doing it to honour their prizes.
Its like the Williams test prize for winning Formula 2 - if Williams were pulling out they would probably still provide the test just to honour the prize. The original intention is to provide experience and testing miles for rookies so that they aren't completely unprepared if they are called up mid-season.

Some of the drivers still have some Formula ahead of them to further prove their worth, so they could just go into GP2 or Formula 2 and then apply for an F1 seat in 2011 with the bonus of having this testing experience on their CV.
 
senamic
That has made me glad. Daniel has got a testing seat. And good on Bendon. Here's to winter testing :cheers:
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It's not a full-time test, it's a one-shot in Jerez. If he impresses, he may get promoted. Both Red Bull and Toro Rosso are in need of test drivers since Coulthard retired and Alguersuari replaced Bourdais. That said, Hartley (and then Alguersuari after Hartley stepped down) was listed as test and reserve driver for both teams. Ricciardo may need some time in a more-advanced formula first.
 
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It's not a full-time test, it's a one-shot in Jerez. If he impresses, he may get promoted. Both Red Bull and Toro Rosso are in need of test drivers since Coulthard retired and Alguersuari replaced Bourdais. That said, Hartley (and then Alguersuari after Hartley stepped down) was listed as test and reserve driver for both teams. Ricciardo may need some time in a more-advanced formula first.
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I understand it is a one shot. All I am saying is that a one shot is better for us who know and support him than no shot.
 
Day 1 of testing at Jerez:

Code: 
Pos Driver        Team             Time                 Laps
 1. Soucek        Williams         1m19.158s             87
 2. Di Resta      Force India      1m19.369s  + 0.221s   46
 3. Paffett       McLaren          1m19.426s  + 0.268s   54
 4. Ricciardo     Red Bull         1m19.534s  + 0.376s  112
 5. Bianchi       Ferrari          1m19.626s  + 0.486s   90
 6. Conway        Brawn            1m19.920s  + 0.762s   58
 7. Rossi         Sauber           1m20.227s  + 1.069s   82
 8. Ericsson      Brawn            1m20.333s  + 1.175s   49
 9. Baguette      Renault          1m20.511s  + 1.363s  105
10. Hildebrand    Force India      1m20.537s  + 1.379s   49
11. Turvey        McLaren          1m20.856s  + 1.698s   27
12. Hartley       Toro Rosso       1m21.325s  + 2.167s   69

Soucek tops Jerez test for Williams

By Jamie O'Leary Tuesday, December 1st 2009, 16:06 GMT

Andy Soucek set theAndy Soucek set the pace on the first day of Formula 1 young driver testing at Jerez, despite an afternoon spin that brought out the red flags.

The 24-year-old Spaniard, who was testing for Williams as his prize for winning this year's Formula 2 championship, shot to the top of the timesheets during the first hour of running, and was never outside the top four thereafter.

His pace-setting lap of 1m19.158s came with an hour of running to go, and was after a spin and stall at the Michelin hairpin brought out the red flags.

Britain's Paul di Resta was an impressive second quickest, despite Force India having only run him in the afternoon, after JR Hildebrand drove the car during the morning.

The DTM front-runner's best lap, which came in the final 10 minutes of the session, was 0.211s slower than Soucek's and demoted Gary Paffett's McLaren to third.

The morning running was interrupted by an early red flag. Brendon Hartley spun his Toro Rosso between the chicane and Ferrari curve and clouted the barrier, knocking off the right-front wheel and nose of his car.

Daniel Ricciardo, who was following closely, spun in avoidance and ended up getting his Red Bull beached in the gravel.

Ricciardo recovered to set the fourth fastest time, ahead of Ferrari's Jules Bianchi and Brawn's Mike Conway.

The BMW Sauber team tested Alexander Rossi as a prize for his success in the Formula BMW championship. Rossi was seventh quickest.

"I very much enjoyed this day," said Rossi. "It is impressive what the car does, how predictable and precise its reactions are, and how high the overall grip level is. But I have to admit I am also a little bit disappointed because being a racing driver you always want to be the fastest!

"I think in the afternoon we didn't manage to find the perfect balance. Physically I have to say it was as demanding as I expected it would be. The power steering is a great help compared to GP2, but the g forces obviously are higher."

Briton Oliver Turvey, who was testing as his prize for winning the 2006 McLaren AUTOSPORT BRDC Award, was given 90 minutes of running at the end of the day by McLaren.

He completed only 27 laps - less than anyone else - but improved his times more than anybody else in the final half hour. His best lap was 1.698s off the pace.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80386
 
What do we think of Baguette's performance? 1.3 seconds off sounds like a lot. And even though it's his first time, he's not the only one to drive an F1 car for the first time. I'm hoping for a miracle to see Baguette showing up on the F1 grid, even if it is in function of a third driver. It's been too long a decent Belgian driver has made the F1 grid...
 
Because we know this year's cars were fairly closely matched, I think this is an accurate way of rating the driver's respective skills. They will have all had a chance on low fuel as well.

So, I guess all that talk about Di Resta appears to be justified. Paffett isn't really surprsing, he doesn't really count as a "young driver".
Some good showing by the American drivers too 👍 I expect there will be hell if neither are picked up by USF1 at some point.

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What do we think of Baguette's performance? 1.3 seconds off sounds like a lot. And even though it's his first time, he's not the only one to drive an F1 car for the first time. I'm hoping for a miracle to see Baguette showing up on the F1 grid, even if it is in function of a third driver. It's been too long a decent Belgian driver has made the F1 grid...
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I think its fair to say the Renault is the worst car this year for handling, so its also fair to say it would be more difficult to get used to and push to the limit. 1.3 isn't too bad, considering the experience of some of the other drivers - particularly Paffett and Soucek.
 
Day 2:

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Pos  Driver      Car          Time       Gap       Laps
 1.  Paffett     McLaren      1m18.718s            80
 2.  Hulkenberg  Williams     1m19.184s  + 0.466s  94
 3.  Ricciardo   Red Bull     1m19.243s  + 0.526s  93
 4.  Di Resta    Force India  1m19.411s  + 0.693s  58
 5.  Gutierrez   Sauber       1m20.190s  + 1.472s  68
 6.  Conway      Brawn        1m20.222s  + 1.504s  83
 7.  Ericsson    Brawn        1m20.440s  + 1.722s  37
 8.  Hildebrand  Force India  1m20.517s  + 1.799s  50
 9.  Bianchi     Ferrari      1m20.585s  + 1.868s  113
10.  Di Grassi   Renault      1m20.898s  + 2.180s  55
11.  Tung        Renault      1m21.492s  + 2.774s  67
12.  Bortolotti  Toro Rosso   1m21.761s  + 3.043s  69

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Paffett fastest on second day of test

By Jamie O'Leary Wednesday, December 2nd 2009, 16:05 GMT

Gary Paffett put McLaren at the top of the timesheets on the second day of Formula 1's young driver test at Jerez.

The DTM ace completed 80 laps of the circuit and set a best time of 1m18.718s - the fastest lap of the test so far - shortly after 1pm.

Light rain during the middle of the afternoon left the track greasy, with lap times dropping off by around six seconds.

Track conditions did improve during the final hour though, during which time Nico Hulkenberg (Williams) leaped up to second in the order with a time 0.466 seconds slower than Paffett, who is due to share driving duties with Oliver Turvey on Thursday.

Red Bull driver Daniel Ricciardo continued to impress with the fastest time of the morning and the third quickest of the day, as the Australian ran a shorter programme than on Tuesday.

Paul di Resta was again in scintillating form as he set the third quickest time of the morning, before handing his Force India over to JR Hildebrand for the afternoon. Hulkenberg's late charge pushed the Briton down to fourth.

Esteban Gutierrez was next up for Sauber, the Mexican four places ahead of his former Formula 3 Euro Series team-mate Jules Bianchi, who again drove for Ferrari and focused on long runs.

Mike Conway and Marcus Ericsson again split the driving duties for Brawn, and were split by only 0.218s by the end of the day in sixth and seventh.

Renault ran Chinese driver Ho-Pin Tung during the morning and Brazilian Lucas di Grassi during the afternoon. GP2 race-winner Di Grassi was the quicker by 0.694s.

There was only one stoppage all day, caused when Mirko Bortolotti's Toro Rosso stopped out on the track after half an hour after he accidentally pushed a button that prevented his gearbox from functioning.

The car then spent a long time in the pits during the late morning owing to an unrelated technical problem.
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Day 3:

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Pos Driver       Team            Time               Laps
 1. Ricciardo    Red Bull        1m17.418s            77
 2. Di Resta     Force India     1m18.736s  + 1.318s  53
 3. Paffett      McLaren         1m18.746s  + 1.328s  59
 4. Conway       Brawn           1m19.096s  + 1.678s  77
 5. Hulkenberg   Williams        1m19.226s  + 1.808s 106
 6. Baguette     Sauber          1m19.356s  + 1.938s  70
 7. Turvey       McLaren         1m19.358s  + 1.940s  32
 8. Ericsson     Brawn           1m19.382s  + 1.964s  49
 9. Di Grassi    Renault         1m19.602s  + 2.184s 123
10. Hildebrand   Force India     1m19.873s  + 2.455s  41
11. Sanchez      Ferrari         1m21.147s  + 3.650s  39
12. Zampieri     Ferrari         1m21.279s  + 3.861s  42
12. Zipoli       Ferrari         1m21.725s  + 4.307s  41
13. Hartley      Toro Rosso      1m22.493s  + 5.075s  50
15. Bortolotti   Toro Rosso      1m23.271s  + 5.853s  34
16. Tung         Renault         1m32.477s  + 15.059s  4

Ricciardo ends Jerez test on top

By Jamie O'Leary Thursday, December 3rd 2009, 16:08 GMT

Daniel Ricciardo ended Formula 1's young driver test at Jerez in scintillating form as the Red Bull driver recorded the fastest time of the week to sit on top of the timesheets.

The Australian completed 77 laps of the Spanish circuit and set the pace in a time of 1m17.418s.

It was not all plain sailing for the British F3 champion though, as his day's work was ended early when a large plume of smoke appeared from the back of his car and he stopped at the exit of the chicane, bringing the session to a halt.

Britain's Paul di Resta continued his impressive week of testing with the second quickest time for Force India. He also had his problems during his half-day of running.

A spin into the gravel at the chicane early in the afternoon brought the red flags out, as did an incident 90 minutes later when his car cut out at the same point while the DTM driver was on an out-lap.

Wednesday pace-setter Gary Paffett and Mike Conway were third and fourth quickest for McLaren and Brawn respectively. Both had half a day behind the wheel.

Nico Hulkenberg's Williams and Bertrand Baguette's Sauber were behind them, the Belgian driver improving his best time on a number of occasions in the final hour.

Brit Oliver Turvey was an impressive third quickest in the morning running with McLaren, but was pushed down the order to seventh by the end of the day as conditions improved.

Brawn's Marcus Ericsson, Renault's Lucas di Grassi and Force India's JR Hildebrand completed the top 10, although the American's two runs on his best sets of tyres were spoiled by issues with the car's electronics.

Ferrari gave maiden runs to the top three finishers in this year's Italian F3 Championship. Mexican Pablo Sanchez, the last to venture onto the circuit, was the fastest of them in 11th place. The first out, Daniel Zampieri, was also the first to bring out the red flags as he spun into the gravel at the chicane early on.

Toro Rosso made a late decision to allow Mirko Bortolotti to drive in the morning before he handed the car over to Brendon Hartley.

By Jamie O'Leary Thursday, December 3rd 2009, 16:08 GMT

Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, Jerez testingDaniel Ricciardo ended Formula 1's young driver test at Jerez in scintillating form as the Red Bull driver recorded the fastest time of the week to sit on top of the timesheets.

The Australian completed 77 laps of the Spanish circuit and set the pace in a time of 1m17.418s.

It was not all plain sailing for the British F3 champion though, as his day's work was ended early when a large plume of smoke appeared from the back of his car and he stopped at the exit of the chicane, bringing the session to a halt.

Britain's Paul di Resta continued his impressive week of testing with the second quickest time for Force India. He also had his problems during his half-day of running.

A spin into the gravel at the chicane early in the afternoon brought the red flags out, as did an incident 90 minutes later when his car cut out at the same point while the DTM driver was on an out-lap.

Wednesday pace-setter Gary Paffett and Mike Conway were third and fourth quickest for McLaren and Brawn respectively. Both had half a day behind the wheel.

Nico Hulkenberg's Williams and Bertrand Baguette's Sauber were behind them, the Belgian driver improving his best time on a number of occasions in the final hour.

Brit Oliver Turvey was an impressive third quickest in the morning running with McLaren, but was pushed down the order to seventh by the end of the day as conditions improved.

Brawn's Marcus Ericsson, Renault's Lucas di Grassi and Force India's JR Hildebrand completed the top 10, although the American's two runs on his best sets of tyres were spoiled by issues with the car's electronics.

Ferrari gave maiden runs to the top three finishers in this year's Italian F3 Championship. Mexican Pablo Sanchez, the last to venture onto the circuit, was the fastest of them in 11th place. The first out, Daniel Zampieri, was also the first to bring out the red flags as he spun into the gravel at the chicane early on.

Toro Rosso made a late decision to allow Mirko Bortolotti to drive in the morning before he handed the car over to Brendon Hartley.
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There are already some posts in the F10 Launch thread about today's events at Valencia, but I guess winter testing deserves its own thread.

So, day one of testing and these are the results, as kindly posted by timeattack in the F10 thread:

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:) At the end of the first day of testing, Ferrari is on top. Alonso will be in the F10 tomorrow 👍

1. F. Massa Ferrari F10 1:12.574 102 pit
2. P. de la Rosa BMW Sauber C25 1:12.784 +0.210 74 pit
3. M. Schumacher Mercedes GP W01 1:12.947 +0.373 40 pit
4. N. Rosberg Mercedes GP W01 1:13.543 +0.969 39 pit
5. G. Paffett McLaren MP4-25 1:13.846 +1.272 86 pit
6. R. Barrichello Williams FW32 1:14.449 +1.875 75 pit
7. S. Buemi Toro Rosso STR5 1:14.762 +2.188 18 pit
8. R. Kubica Renault R30 1:15.000 +2.426 69 pit
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My view, of course based on very litle:



Felipe Massa & M Schumacher 👍 👍

comment: under different circumstances, they are both returning. And what a "comeback" it was, their first day :)




BMW Sauber & Pedro de la Rosa 👍

comment: maybe, just maybe, Sauber will achieve this year what Brawn achieved last year. Using a car designed by a big company, maybe he has a unexpected winner there. Pedro impressed also, very good pace, can't wait to see what Kobayashi can do with that car





Nico Rosberg & Rubens Barrichello 👎

Comment: maybe Nico was unfortunate, maybe the track was faster in the afternoon, but being outpaced by someone that has been away for 3 years, even when that someone is Schumi ... isn't good. Rubens I don't know ... maybe it is the car, maybe it is him. I expected more, to be honest.




Renault 👎 👎

Kubica, one of the best F1 drivers, does 69 laps and is still behind Buemi, a guy that did only 18? Something's not right and probably, just probably, that something is the car.
 
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Thanks for posting that Hun 👍 I'd like to make a correction to the post of mine which you copy/pasted - Massa will have testing duties tomorrow as well, due to the canceled shake down at Fiorano. Alonso will then take over on Wednesdays 👍

I had written up a reply just a few moments ago, but it didn't show up when your thread got merged with this one. :ouch: :lol:

Here's a photo gallery from today's test: http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/index.php?fID=35&page=all

And video footage:

 
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Good call on using this thread, since not all of use want to venture into the abyss that is the F10 thread... :crazy: :)
 
Finally a single thread. As if GTP doesn't have enough with 111,223.
 
I think De La Rosa and Sauber deserve 2 Thumbs...

De La Rosa hasn't been racing in the car for 5 or more years... so to stick an unfamiliar car 2nd is awesome work...

I suspect that the Renault is either
a) crap
b) doing heavy fuel runs or something. (Then again this was what we heard about McLaren last year!)

C.

PS - What about the other teams? - Where are they? Where's the Red Bull? (The new teams I can understand being behind schedule)
 
yeti
I think De La Rosa and Sauber deserve 2 Thumbs...

De La Rosa hasn't been racing in the car for 5 or more years... so to stick an unfamiliar car 2nd is awesome work...

I suspect that the Renault is either
a) crap
b) doing heavy fuel runs or something. (Then again this was what we heard about McLaren last year!)
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I choose (a) :lol: :crazy: Even though Kubica did mention it was clearly heaviest F1 car he's ever driven.

You're right though. De La Rosa is doing a fine job 👍 Although it's more than likely that they were running light fuels loads to attract sponsors, which can make a huge difference in lap times. Regardless, it was still a solid performance considering.

yeti
PS - What about the other teams? - Where are they? Where's the Red Bull? (The new teams I can understand being behind schedule)
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Red Bull is still working on their car, maximizing the design in the wind tunnel. However they will be at Jerez in roughly 9 days time: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80809

The latest I've heard is that there was some sort of issue with the fuel system, which may cause them problems early in the season (although I'm not sure how credible the source is).
 
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Reading too much into the times guys...keep in mind this year they have to test very high fuel loads, so some will be running light testing the basic performance at the optimum while others (Renault) are testing the performance on high fuel loads.
So all we can take from it is the driver's comments and reading between the lines. Thats the only reason we got clues about Brawn last year when Massa & Co started whining the Brawn was insane.

For all we know the F10 will be rubbish, the Sauber is running low fuel runs to gain sponsors and the Renault actually has brilliant pace. We just don't know.

I think its safe to say Williams are almost certainly being conservative, what with this being the first running of the Cosworth, they will be focusing entirely on reliability and setup.

Its way too early to write Renault off though. As Rubens has said "the difference between high fuel load and low is roughly 4 seconds".

Not to mention they also need to focus on tuning out the understeer from the smaller front tyres.
 
True. The first day of testing means very little. We won't know much about the relative performance of the cars until the last days of testing.

Regarding my thoughts on Renault - I think it's safe (still no guarantee) to say that neither of the top teams (Ferrari, MB, Mclaren) were running anything less than medium fuel loads at the very least, yet the Renault was still 2.5 seconds off the pace of the top time on a very short lap (1:12 second lap). Even if they were running relatively heavy compared to Ferrari, they still have some work to do in order to find some pace in the following days.

But in the end, assuming that the top teams weren't running anything less than a half tank is still exactly that...an assumption :lol:

Edit: Found this on ITV. Ross Brawn's thoughts after today's test:

Asked for his assessment of the first day, he replied: “Okay. I don’t think we’ve got a full picture.

“There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with the car, the drivers are reasonably happy with the balance.

“This is not a great track for really assessing a car properly, but useful for a start.

“There’s nothing to suggest there is anything strange, but it’s far too early to judge how all the cars compare.”

And while he says trying to judge the early pecking order is virtually impossible at this stage, he thinks the two teams that finished ahead of Mercedes on the opening day times – Ferrari and Sauber – have early reason to be positive about their respective cars.

“I think you can see the people who don’t have problems: Ferrari has clearly got a good car; it looks like the Sauber is a reasonable car,” Brawn added.

“Maybe Renault and Williams have got a few issues, but it’s far too early to say.

“So I think we need a few days here… and even at the end of all this testing, presumably you’ll be able to judge what cars do with no fuel in because eventually everybody will take the fuel out and that will be a reference point, but testing is notoriously difficult.”

I also saw this on James Allen's blog regarding Ferrari:

JA: "There have been rumours about the aero figures being poor and a B spec car being prepared. But my sources suggest that what has happened is that they recruited a new head of aerodynamics from Toyota in December and he brought a solution for a radical new diffuser with a hole the size of a sheet of A3 paper! It’s worth a lot in extra downforce and so Ferrari may well be building an update package around it, possibly for the first race if they can build it in time."
 
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Times this morning

Massa 1m11.722;
Kobayashi 1m12.056;
Hamilton 1m12.508;
Rosberg 1m12.899;
Barrichello 1m13.377;
Kubica 1m13.659;
Buemi 1m14.862


KOBAYASHI FTW !!!!


:D :D :D
 
NobleF1 on twitter is a good place to get a few updates from aswell. He's from Autosport aswell.
 
Very interesting - I thought that the Sauber could be quick - and now that a better driver has it - it is...

(Similar story with the McLaren - but not to such a great extent)

And notice the Renault managed a time fairly close. (They're in the 1:12's now)

C.
 
Valencia's times today (so far)

Alonso 1m11.599
P. de la Rosa 1m12.094
Schumacher 1m12.438
Alguersuari 1m12.576
Button 1m13.498
Hulkenberg 1m13.959
Petrov 1m14.009


So, Alonso continues the Ferrari dominance, improving Massa's previous best lap by a litle over one tenth. Pedro de la Rosa almost equals Kobayashi's time and confirms Sauber has a good car. Schumacher looking good, Alguersuari doing ABSOLUTELY GREAT (biggest surprise, at least for me).

Button, Hulkenberg and Petrov doing nothing special, but we don't know their check list.
 

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