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I'm going to the Homestead Indy race this year and can't wait for F1 to get going again. From what I hear the Red Bull team is going to let Scott Speed race at the American Grand Prix.
 
And what does this have to do with GT4 Tunings And Settings? I love F1 too, but this belongs in the Formula 1 forums! Please move!
 
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I'm going to the Homestead Indy race this year and can't wait for F1 to get going again. From what I hear the Red Bull team is going to let Scott Speed race at the American Grand Prix.
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if you are the hardcore fan you claim to be, you should know that Scott Speed is not only going to race at the american grand prix. He will get to drive for the whole season(assuming he does good and no changes are made). And scott speed is driving for Scuderia Toro Rosso, not red bull racing.
 
I was watching that video (Senna vs Mansell).

As I was watching it, I knew Mansell won in '92 and that he won like 11 races (a record until Schumacher came around and broke in 2001 or 2002 I think). I thought to myself there's no way that Senna, probably the most skilled driver ever along Gilles Villeneuve and by far the best blocker I've ever seen would ever let Mansell pass him at Monaco.

I still can't believe Mansell managed to keep up or best Senna's pace at Monaco. He probably had a better car didn't he.
 
Mansell's '92 Williams was without doubt the most advanced F1 car ever built. Fully active hydraulic suspension, traction control, ABS, semi-auto gearbox that could learn the tracks and switch to fully automatic (shifting without driver input), and the Renault V-10 for more power than anybody else (except maybe the Ferrari, which turned more RPMs.)

It also points out how difficult it is to overtake at Monaco. There's not enough straight road to get alongside and pass unless the other driver cooperates. All Senna had to do (like any of us could have done it) was drive down the middle and take a slightly narrowed line into the turns.
 
Well I have this compilation video of Senna vs Prost (about 3-4 minutes long I think), and in one part of the video, it shows Senna in the McLaren overtaking Prost in the Williams at Monaco just after they pass the finish line part of the track. :sly:

So you can overtake. Considering his awesome blocking skills though and such a tight track as Monaco, I doubt anybody except maybe Alain Prost (but with a lot of luck) could have overtaklen him.
 
That would have been the '93 race. Later on, the Williams retired, so he may have already been in trouble. I remember watching the Williams in the pits as they tried to get it running, the active suspension raising the car, then lowering it all the way to the ground, then back up again as pressure came back up. Suspension hydraulics may have been the cause of his retirement, I don't recall. It was fun to watch, though!

Speaking of hard to pass, and going a little off-topic for this thread, I also remember the '94 Suzuka race, in the rain, with Mansell catching Alesi's Ferrari at 130R every lap, but not able to get by. The Ferrari apparently handled better, and pulled away every lap until after the spoon curve, and on the straight Mansell reeled him in, only to have to back off for the turn. I remember the rear-view TV shot from Alesi's car, how cool it looked watching the Williams come up.
 
I love "hardcore" noobs.

I suggest paying a visit to the Formula 1 board of our forum more often. There is much knowledge here to be shared.
 
Since we're talkinga bout Suzuka and 130R and incidentally a Ferrari, how about that move that Alonso pulled on outside of 130R on Schumacher? Talk about a gutsy move! :scared:
 
I knew that was coming, once Suzuka was mensioned...:sly:
But a bald move indeed! Must have been slightly humiliating for Mr. Schumacher. That race as a whole was marvellous in my eyes, though. The best one in a long time!
 
Yes.. this one was the most interesting season in 7 years! (Since Schumacher started winning with ferrari, that was boring.)
I think Alonso didnt deserved to win! i mean, he has the fastest and most reliable car!
I dont know if you noticed, but in Canada grand prix, in the straight road, Schumacher first and alonso smelling his farts, when they got to the straight, he passed him like a tree on the road!! thats not fair!
 
That's great, but I think the last laps at Imola in the last season (Alonso vs MS) were as good, if not better than that...
 
Mansell's car control was phenominal I feel that his skill wasn't far off Senna's.
IMO one of the best British racers to this day.
I would like to see how Schumacher would handle a 90's F1 car having a left rear blow out at 200mph.
 
You might recall that Michael Schumacher has been around since 1991, and even won a couple championships before he created the Ferrari empire. He is one of the best drivers of all-time, regardless of how easy it has been for him with Ferrari. His championship campains with Benetton were nothing short of absolute brilliance. If he had lost a tire at 200 mph, he would have driven home on the rim.
 
That Mansell blowout cost him the championship. If Prost won the race, Mansell only needed 4th to retain the championship. If Prost was 2nd or lower, Mansell needn't even have finished. Obviously, he didn't finish, but Prost won the race and therefore, the championship.

Phenomenal car control, though. Watch the video and look only at the front wheels. They are NEVER pointed anywhere but straight down the road.
 
I agree with Schumacher, he is one of the best drivers ever, but I'd still put him below Senna and Mansell at their prime, he's not had to race anyone nearly as good as Senna or Mansell though since he shot up the ranks and with the specs of the cars changed every season or two it's a hard call.
 
Well I disagree somewhat. While I'm no big fan of Schumacher, I still think he's better than someone like Mansell. I don't think he's *the* best ever, but I would say he's up there with the best ever such as Gilles, Senna, Prost, Jim Clark.
 
Mansell was good enough to win the CART and F1 championships in the same year. He's also the fastest driver around the TopGear track by a whole 2 seconds. He's a quality driver, always has been, sure Senna got the better of him, but he was imo better than Schuey. Liek I said though, you can't accurately judge, I don't think Schumacher is by any means a second rate driver, either way it's close imo.
 
As much as I dislike schumacher his 7world titles and god knows how many other records he holds pretty much prove hes the best. Dont see alonso or raikkonen matching his feats.
 
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As much as I dislike schumacher his 7world titles and god knows how many other records he holds pretty much prove hes the best. Dont see alonso or raikkonen matching his feats.
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I don't rate Kimi or Alonso as anything near Prost, Mansell or Senna, Shumacher is in that region, he can be mention under the same breath certainly, I just grew up watching racers like Prost, Mansell and Senna and from watching Schumacher I just don't see him as the best driver, sure he's won more titles but if you opponents arn't as good as Senna's, it doesn't mean your a better driver. Let's just say they're all class whoever you view as the best.
 
Mansell was good enough to win the CART and F1 championships in the same year. He's also the fastest driver around the TopGear track by a whole 2 seconds. He's a quality driver, always has been, sure Senna got the better of him, but he was imo better than Schuey. Liek I said though, you can't accurately judge, I don't think Schumacher is by any means a second rate driver, either way it's close imo.
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Well, here's what I think.

First of all, it is widely considered that Mansell won the 1992 championship because of a greatly superior car which had active suspension, abs, traction control etc. I myself didn't watch F1 back in the early 90s so I wouldn't know how the season went, but from what I've heard, this is majorly the reason he won that year.

Second of all, being the fastest around the Top Gear track means nothing to me. Schumacher hasn't participated and hasn't recorded a lap around that track. Anyway what does it matter? He was faster than Damon Hill and Mark Webber around the track. That seems trivial and has nothing to do with comparing Mansell to other drivers IMO.

Thirdly, Schumacher has raced against strong competitors such as Mika Hakkinen, Damon Hill and Jacques Villeneuve. They may not be the best, though I consider Hakkinen to be one of the best drivers ever, but they were still very good.

And the fact that he won the CART and F1 the same year doesn't mean much. Jacques Villeneuve won the CART championship in '95 and the Indy 500 the same year. He also went on to win F1 in '97. By those stats alone, they're "comparable". Schumacher on the other hand has won 7 F1 championships, and in at least 4 of them ('94, '95, '00 and '03) he did have a strong competition and not just him having a "superior" car.
 

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