This patch might mean a quick death for GT5?

[SuperCobraJet]

GT4 was no better balanced. .

Contrar, it was much better balanced.

It just allowed you to grind more quickly.

You could complete the game with no grinding, not selling any cars, and you only had to buy I think it was 3 cars to do so.

Thats absolutely impossible in GT5.

 

[AmyUD06]

I guess if you're trying to complete the game in a straight A, then B, then C...fashion, yeah it's impossible without grinding to get to the next XP level.

I can honestly say now that - at halfway through Level 29 both A and B-Spec, with 248 cars (all earned on my own without exploits, save for one trade), 2.6m credits, and 93% completion - I have never once felt the need to grind for levels or cash to buy a car I needed to progress. Have I done the grind routine (Indy, B-Spec, etc) to get credits for cars I wanted? Yes, but only once or twice. But never for something necessary to progress in the game.

I also don't particularly plan on ever doing the 24h endurance races in A-Spec, and I won't lose any sleep over it. I'm treating GT5 like I did the past games in the series:

A fun-to-play driving game that has a lot of different cars to try out. NOT a race to 100% so I can move on to the next game.

Of course, maybe I'm the rarity. ::shrug::

 

[Steve_Denning]

Appearently, a lot faster than you would otherwise, isn't it? There would be nobody doing it if it wasn't advantageous to them.

So, you don't feel that a 2-3 years is an acceptable time for me to build my dream garage?

Since when does this involve the need to have a whole garage full of highly expensive cars?

Weird question... Have I at any point asked for a garage full of highly expensive cars? If I could win cars more than once or could sell cars to fund new ones we wouldn't even be having this conversation. In other words, if this was like previous GT titles it wouldn't be a problem.

First of, the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. They only are if you want to grind as effectively as possible, but that's not what someone who 'Just wants to enjoy driving' would do, right?

So, I have a choice between track days, time trials and having fun (which don't give any rewards) with new and different cars or grinding against poor AI for most of the time...

Whilst I do race online against friends, it's difficult to arrange so rarely happens.

Meh, I'm usually spending even less time with GT5, probably two hours per week. If you're having so little time, why bother gettign a crapload of cars? Unless, of course, you want a new one after driving a car for, like, 10 minutes.

Wow. Way to judge someone without actually reading what they write...

I've played every GT available in the UK since GT1. I've NEVER cheated on them. I've always enjoyed buying cars, trying them out and then selling them if I don't like them. My purpose was to build a garage of cars I love driving by weeding out the ones I disliked.

Being unable to sell cars above a tiny value means I cannot do this in GT5. So, what is my alternative?

It is what you make it out to be. There are many issues in the game that can't be changed, but this is one issue that comes down to your attitude.

Nope - this one issue is down to this particular iteration of the GT series. Reward cars once, tiny A-Spec, poor monetary rewards.

Before telling people they have a problem or they should go play something else take a good look at GT5 and think about the shortfalls that caused people to dupe (again, not talking about the mad duper/trader issue here).

If this was about the XP grind, I'd be with you. But for the credits? Not really.

You seriously think that? XP that isn't dependant on the car entered as it was in GT4?

Bottom line on that part is that it should have been about license tests and not this ridiculous XP system which has turned the game into an RPG

Anyway, I'll continue to play GT5 and I hope you continue i your enjoyment of it too. 👍

 

[AMG.]

Please keep the discussion civil. Name calling and using terms like elitist assholes serve no purpose other than flame baiting. If we see it again we will close down the thread.
Take a breather - review your post before hitting the reply button. 👍

 

[Laughlyn]

I think its a bit lazy of them to just instantly ban gifting of certain cars becaus ethey were being cloned.
Sure GT5 may seem liek a pokemon game but thats becaus ethere are so many cars that, to 'collect em all' u have to trade with people. they should have improved the way items are gifted so your car lists are saved online so when one is gifted, if u load a previous save up, the car is still registered as being gifted and the save file is updated and stops cloning.

Main problem is, i've got sum mates cars here i've used for teh nostalgia cup so i have HIS 20mill jag and HIS 14mill Miura.

The whole game is starting to becoem a joke with what u can and cant do. most the time u cant even sell cars u win either.
To make things better they need an online player based second hand dealership, if u have a car u want to sell u can set up a sell order for it with a description, people can see what upgrades are on it as well as how many miles on clock, they could even put auctions in it. they want the game to be realistic so wheres the option to ebay our unwanted cars?

That way the tuner guys could buy a car, repair it, tune it and sell an upgraded and tuned car ready for people to buy. have a realistic limit on the cars value so folk cant abuse it by selling a fiat 500 for 10mill so their mate can get loadsa cash but a 10-20% markup on the cars retail value and the full cost of upgrades would be good.

at the moment tho this new patch wont win any new friends, there are gonan be a lot of people pee'd off cos cars they've loaned out cant come back

 

[MoosieBe]

Let me get this straight! I never duped anything, but being able to trade cars kept the game alive for many.
(If I had duped I wouldn't have had only 180 cars while I'm almost lvl 35 right?)

And do you like driving Like the Wind for the 100th time? This game just has far too few events to make up for this, and the credits you get from events is far too low to stay interested as well.
GT4 was much better balanced.

I totally agree with you.

Never did duping, I just help(ed) out friends who had problems with some races.
Now they own my cars... very cool feature this one.

PD has lost the GPS-signal and are going ******
They just lost it...

 

[Luminis]

So, you don't feel that a 2-3 years is an acceptable time for me to build my dream garage?

See below.

Weird question... Have I at any point asked for a garage full of highly expensive cars? If I could win cars more than once or could sell cars to fund new ones we wouldn't even be having this conversation. In other words, if this was like previous GT titles it wouldn't be a problem.

If your dream garage wouldn't consist of those highly expensive cars, you wouldn't have to spent years to get them.
The point is: You can probably get ~85% of the cars fairly cheap. It's just the remaining 15% that are actually so expensive that you'd have to grind a long time in order to get them. Which kinda is the idea behind having expensive cars, isn't it?
Plus, I have the feeling that there are mire than just a few people who wouldn't give a damn about a lot of cars if they weren't as expensive as they are, but that's just a gut feeling I've got.

So, I have a choice between track days, time trials and having fun (which don't give any rewards) with new and different cars or grinding against poor AI for most of the time...

You were on about how you just want to drive - sorry, but I don't get how that is in any way, shape or form mutually exclusive from the ways of earning credits in the game.
Pass the AI and just drive.

Wow. Way to judge someone without actually reading what they write...

I've played every GT available in the UK since GT1. I've NEVER cheated on them. I've always enjoyed buying cars, trying them out and then selling them if I don't like them. My purpose was to build a garage of cars I love driving by weeding out the ones I disliked.

Being unable to sell cars above a tiny value means I cannot do this in GT5. So, what is my alternative?

How about, buying that crap load of cheaper cars (like, 50) instead of that one, highly expensive car? Test them as much you like, drive them during a race, though; whether the AI is present or not doesn't exactly interfere with what you (appearently) want to do, right? Should make you way enough money to keep on buying stuff.

Plus, if you have so little time to play GT5, how come you have the time to actually test so many cars that you can't afford to buy them?

Nope - this one issue is down to this particular iteration of the GT series. Reward cars once, tiny A-Spec, poor monetary rewards.

Before telling people they have a problem or they should go play something else take a good look at GT5 and think about the shortfalls that caused people to dupe (again, not talking about the mad duper/trader issue here).

Oh, please... Yeah, A-Spec is a joke. I guess everybody knows. But, what's the big deal? I haven't had to grind for insane amounts of credits yetand I've got a huge load of cars to drive, inclusing cars that come with a price tag of a million and the like. I was capable of builing a vastly deverse garage without grinding for credits too much and without spending ridiculous amounts of time with GT5. That's why I can't fathom the supposed need to dupe and why I consider it to be nothing but a lack of the slightest bit of patience. 'Must have everything, now!', that's where duping comes from.

You seriously think that? XP that isn't dependant on the car entered as it was in GT4?

Bottom line on that part is that it should have been about license tests and not this ridiculous XP system which has turned the game into an RPG

I don't like the XP system, at all. That's why I said I would've been with you on a complaint about grinding for XP.

Anyway, I'll continue to play GT5 and I hope you continue i your enjoyment of it too. 👍

For the time being, I will enjoy what I get out of it, yeah

 

[DrJustice]

Yep, of course. We now have our driving game back, instead of a pokemon game.

The driving game was gone?!?! Strange, I never noticed....

Anyway, what this game need is not inhibiting features, but enabling features. Pettiness as a feature? No thanks.

DJ
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[mclifted]

I'm waiting for shift 2, then it's adios GT5!!

 

[Dragunov]

I guess if you're trying to complete the game in a straight A, then B, then C...fashion, yeah it's impossible without grinding to get to the next XP level.

I can honestly say now that - at halfway through Level 29 both A and B-Spec, with 248 cars (all earned on my own without exploits, save for one trade), 2.6m credits, and 93% completion - I have never once felt the need to grind for levels or cash to buy a car I needed to progress. Have I done the grind routine (Indy, B-Spec, etc) to get credits for cars I wanted? Yes, but only once or twice. But never for something necessary to progress in the game.

I also don't particularly plan on ever doing the 24h endurance races in A-Spec, and I won't lose any sleep over it. I'm treating GT5 like I did the past games in the series:

A fun-to-play driving game that has a lot of different cars to try out. NOT a race to 100% so I can move on to the next game.

Of course, maybe I'm the rarity. ::shrug::

Good to hear there's still some people with common sense. Hope the rest of dupers and trophy whores leave the game as soon as possible for the people that ENJOY driving a car more than 5 min

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I guess if you're trying to complete the game in a straight A, then B, then C...fashion, yeah it's impossible without grinding to get to the next XP level.

I can honestly say now that - at halfway through Level 29 both A and B-Spec, with 248 cars (all earned on my own without exploits, save for one trade), 2.6m credits, and 93% completion - I have never once felt the need to grind for levels or cash to buy a car I needed to progress. Have I done the grind routine (Indy, B-Spec, etc) to get credits for cars I wanted? Yes, but only once or twice. But never for something necessary to progress in the game.

I also don't particularly plan on ever doing the 24h endurance races in A-Spec, and I won't lose any sleep over it. I'm treating GT5 like I did the past games in the series:

A fun-to-play driving game that has a lot of different cars to try out. NOT a race to 100% so I can move on to the next game.

Of course, maybe I'm the rarity. ::shrug::

I don't play B-spec and don't plan on doing so.
For my money it's practically a worthless feature.
Kaz said you could play through A or B seperately.
He just forgot to mention the grinding part if you do.

 

[RA1D3R]

R.i.p. Gt5

 

[Counter_Z23]

Just not good enough PD, just not good enough....

 

[USSoccerFan96]

The game was over For most when all the a spec events were done/ nearly done. On to the next video game lol

 

[JediRage]

Please keep the discussion civil. Name calling and using terms like elitist assholes serve no purpose other than flame baiting. If we see it again we will close down the thread.
Take a breather - review your post before hitting the reply button. 👍

Can we use just elitist then? If not then usage of cheater and duper should be banned too.

But hey, you know best I guess.

 

[Aus_Azn]

(If I had duped I wouldn't have had only 180 cars while I'm almost lvl 35 right?)

Jokes. I haven't duped a single car. I'm level 31 and have eclipsed 210 already.

 

[SS_1182]

You can still send any car of any value, so no, I don't think so.

 

[willstuart]

I don't see why it would mean the death. Just means people will need to work for some of the cars they are after? :|

 

[Tvensky]

when PD will Ban all dupers? cant wait for that update.. LOL

PS. Bring it on! show me yourself!

 

[slicksabo]

Can anyone tell me what I should do with my second X2010 when I reach lvl35 b-spec?

If you golded the Vettel challenge wouldn't a new X2010 at B-spec level 35 be your 4th X2010???? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Golding the Vettel challenge gives you three X2010s.

 

[SS_1182]

I don't see why it would mean the death. Just means people will need to work for some of the cars they are after? :|

You can still dupe any car, m8.

 

[slicksabo]

I don't play B-spec and don't plan on doing so.
For my money it's practically a worthless feature.
Kaz said you could play through A or B seperately.
He just forgot to mention the grinding part if you do.

Maybe I'm missing something but I'm at level 35 A-spec and haven't grinded a single time. I've got 6 more enduro races to go but those give you tons of XP so I really don't know What everyone is talking about. I am level 1 B-spec.

 

[yannc]

I still don't know what the fuss is all about...never duped or used other exploits and I never needed to. Once I completed everything in the game beside the last 2 endurance in a-spec (I was at L35 at that stage) I used the auto grind in A-spec to go to L40 and buy as many cars as I want. I even have 1050 cars now...
I must have missed something!

 

[prymet1me]

I still don't know what the fuss is all about...never duped or used other exploits and I never needed to. Once I completed everything in the game beside the last 2 endurance in a-spec (I was at L35 at that stage) I used the auto grind in A-spec to go to L40 and buy as many cars as I want. I even have 1050 cars now...
I must have missed something!

I missed where auto grinding was part of great video games. O wait

 

[necrodeemus]

It seems to me that people have lost concept of what this game is. It is a racing / driving simulator. Not a collect car simulator. Not a Grind your way to level 40 simulator.

I am level 31.75 A spec, apart from the FGT Champ and maybe another race, I have never done a race twice. I still have some most of the endurance races left to do. I race online, I have fun. I pick a car I have won or purchased. Go round the track, enjoy myself. Try to beat my records etc, beat buddies in races.

The gifting feature of the game was abused. Because of this PD have stopped it. No one can now claim it wasn't being abused because; if that was the intention, PD wouldnt of cared about the situation or changed it. So everyone claiming it is their game, and they should be able to play it the way you want, well you can, you can play the game the way you like, the same way you can play any game published the way you like. But you still have to play within the parameters the game designer has set.

So you dont like you cannot collect all the cars within 30 days anymore? You have to grind and grind and grind to get to level 40!! Well news flash, you brought the wrong game if you wanted to collect stuff. As for grinding A/B spec, why bother ? If someone can tell me why they need to be level 40 NOW, then I will gladly say you are right, there is no time limited offer of being 40 in either spec, you can race, offline and online, it will come, maybe slower, but whats the rush? The same with cars, so you afford the car you really wanted right now, well maybe you should of saved ya credits for when the car you wanted came along.

B spec has introduced the new online racing, I am sure this gives XP ? I personally do not mess about in B spec much. Because, I waited a long time for a racing driving simulator, which I got, everything else is candy to me.

Oh I have 110 cars, I haven't even driven them all, I buy cars that interest me over time, does not having all the cars make me frustrated ? Nope, I will get them when I get them, makes no difference to me. Same with being level 40, one day it will happen, being 40 or having all the cars I want today will not make one jot of difference to the racing aspect of this game.

Dont have the same car as you friends to race online with, welcome to the wonderful world of car loaning..

 

[JediRage]

It seems to me that people have lost concept of what this game is. It is a racing / driving simulator. Not a collect car simulator. Not a Grind your way to level 40 simulator.

Right, so apparently you set the rules here about what this game is supposed to mean to me or others. Very good. You should be a politician.

I dont care about the XP, just the cars. This update doesnt do too much harm to me anyway. I have all the 1 mill + cars in the game. I'm just looking out for the newbies.

 

[Greycap]

I don't see why it would mean the death. Just means people will need to work for some of the cars they are after? :|

For the average gamer of today having to work for something is such a big no-no that it indeed does mean death for them. If everything isn't easy and immediately accomplishable it sucks. Needing skill and patience is basically unheard of, it seems. Unfortunately.

Well, I'm all for it. Let the game die for those people by all means as they indeed bought the wrong game to begin with. Then the rest of us can go on without all the fuss.

 

[necrodeemus]

Right, so apparently you set the rules here about what this game is supposed to mean to me or others. Very good. You should be a politician.

I dont care about the XP, just the cars. This update doesnt do too much harm to me anyway. I have all the 1 mill + cars in the game. I'm just looking out for the newbies.

I aint setting no rules, just pointing out whats on the box, can you see the difference ?

Let me guess.. You play CODMW:2 , because you want to collect the guns ?

 

[AlphaAndius]

It is a shame that people are resorting to create this alarmist nonsense. Mind you, I don't like this restriction either, but to call it the death of GT5, bahahahahahahah, please....

It is a shame that people gotta grind like crazy to obtain a select number of million cred cars, but all it did was merely hammer out 1 aspect of the game (albeit, a favorite aspect of many), and for gamers like me that love collecting as much as I love my driving, it is a pretty hard blow though.

 

[JediRage]

I aint setting no rules, just pointing out whats on the box, can you see the difference ?

Oh clever. So it's a REAL driving simulator? You sure? I mean really really sure? Just because it says so on the box?

Right, so when I'm cruising at 150 kmh on the Nordschleife, lose control and crash into a rail against a cliff, I merely bump off it and my driver and the car are none the wiser. Hang on, they put a horse's eye caps thingy on me so my FOV is only 60 degrees. But if I fly on my magic carpet behind the car, I see so much more.

I can do this all day man. Nothing is real in video games. Grow the f up.