This, this right here, is why you "Take it to the track"

[ITCC_Andrew]

After we exit the car and see that we are alright, I say to him , "What the 🤬 did you do that for?" He replies, "I though you would like it since you love racing so much!"

I'm learning, more and more, to take note of whom I tell this to.


And, yes, niky, I'm partially professional, in the meaning that I had a full, professional karting career, competing for championships, and really making a name for myself.


I have proof, too. So far, no one has wanted to see it, but... I have the documentation to prove it, framed, on my bedroom wall. The national team co-ordinator was definitely interested in having me on his team. He invited me to join it, but, I just couldn't afford to race in Florida...

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I've always thought the Wangan culture was irresponsibly reckless. Curves, dips, expansion joints and traffic... and high speed portions that narrow down to just two lanes. Imagine coming around a curve in the tunnel and finding yourself facing a van doing just 60 km/h while you're going 260, or worse, one that's broken down.

As opposed to the autobahn, which is more open and gives you a better view. And, better yet, where high speed runs aren't illegal (in some areas), allowing you to run in warmer and better lit conditions.

Sure, it's fun to peg the limiter on your typical road cars, but over 160 km/h, cars can become terribly unsettled by poorly surfaced roads.

And corners are even worse. Come to an asphalt patch or rough spot coming up to a corner and a car that can stop from 100 km/h in just 35 meters will take significantly longer to shed speed. Not to mention the nasty effects said patches and bumps have on the car's cornering attitude.

Smokey Nagata seems make it easy to do on wangan.

Japanese expressway might have less of those patches and bumps, if I could be in Japan and can get my hands onto any of these cars, I would find myself hard to resist not to go over 200 km/h

Maybe I am a "nutter", like "Smokey" Nagata

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

With respect, is this not the wrong place for that video? Also, I thought that it was against AUP to post links to breaking the law/discuss it/promote it? Is it not?

 

[hawkeye122]

The whole idea of going that quickly on a public road with so many people on it seems absolutely stupid. They must have Zero respect for the people around them, I don't care how "Easy" they make it seem.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

No, it's never okay, in my opinion. Especially not in Trier.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The whole idea of going that quickly on a public road with so many people on it seems absolutely stupid. They must have Zero respect for the people around them, I don't care how "Easy" they make it seem.

I was meant to show how some roads are not in bad condition and how the Japanese cult culture at the wangan, and some professional drivers do go over 160 km/h at the wangan, I think I have seen some videos of it ( some D1 drivers, JGTC drivers as well ) Maybe the Japanese have different feel about it, or they are just too stupid to slow down.

Call me stupid for wanting to be fast at the wangan for once in my life

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Okay. Stupid.

P.S., just following orders.

 

[hawkeye122]

Ok, you're stupid. It's a silly idea. So much to go wrong that you have no control over.

 

[niky]

And, yes, niky, I'm partially professional, in the meaning that I had a full, professional karting career, competing for championships, and really making a name for myself.

While karting does give you a leg up on most other drivers when it comes time to go racing, being a career karter still doesn't translate 1:1 to full-sized cars.

That said, it's manic stuff, and I thoroughly approve. Most of the best drivers got their start in karts. 👍

Personally, most cars feel tame compared to a kart. But there are differences, and driving a car as hard as you do a kart can have nasty consequences on the road. Cars are harder to control once you've gone past the limits, and what might take a momentary, split second correction in a kart can end up as a few hundred feet of trying to tame the fish's tail in a car with long-ish, numb hydraulic steering, right before it goes into a wall. Cars are massive, fast and dangerous, and deserve respect.

With respect, is this not the wrong place for that video? Also, I thought that it was against AUP to post links to breaking the law/discuss it/promote it? Is it not?

Well, we're discussing it because it's part of the original post, but yes, we don't allow content that promotes it.

Removed.

 

[MSTER232]

Too much GT5 💡 ? Well moving on to the serious side, I'm glad that nobody was hurt. And I hate the teen stereotype that teens can't drive because they have big egos and simply can't be trusted .

 

[Bopop4]

*Kimi playing*


No, it's never okay, in my opinion. Especially not in Trier.

That reminds me of a story from Ireland.

Joey Dunlop was brought in to a courthouse for speeding, the judge threw out the case and said that "If Joey Dunlop can't control a vehicle at that speed then no one can."

This feels like the same thing, it's an F1 driver, he can handle a few sharp turns.

And I hate the teen stereotype that teens can't drive because they have big egos and simply can't be trusted .

Not a stereotype, it's true.
You can't trust a teenager with a car, every single teenager I've driven with speeds or goes too fast around corners blah blah blah.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Too much GT5 💡 ? Well moving on to the serious side, I'm glad that nobody was hurt. And I hate the teen stereotype that teens can't drive because they have big egos and simply can't be trusted .

Unfortunately most teenage drivers will and do drive irresponsibly. That's not to say that there aren't a few (me for example) who do drive sensibly. But I don't go more than a month or so without hearing that a student/recently left student from my college has crashed.

 

[Carlos]

Even when you drive responsible, most (young) drivers don't know what to do, and that's not their fault, we're just not trained for it.

 

[McLaren]

Not a stereotype, it's true.
You can't trust a teenager with a car, every single teenager I've driven with speeds or goes too fast around corners blah blah blah.

Wrong, it is a stereotype, though a strong one. Every teenager you've ridden with does not equate to all. I normally did 10 over the limit on the highways as a teenager, but that's a common occurrence amongst several thousand people of all ages. I didn't speed around corners though & normally knew where my limits were.

That all came from how my father taught me how to drive & to respect a a vehicle's limits. That pretty well prepared me for my driving test & sharing the road. Now a days, though, it's still ridiculously easy to get a drivers license here. There's even exceptions for those who shouldn't be allowed to drive in the first place.

 

[Bopop4]

Now a days, though, it's still ridiculously easy to get a drivers license here. There's even exceptions for those who shouldn't be allowed to drive in the first place.

Stupidly easy, 90% of Canadian drivers would fail a European driving test.

And you're supposed to do 10 over, keep with the flow of traffic.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

Not a stereotype, it's true.
You can't trust a teenager with a car, every single teenager I've driven with speeds or goes too fast around corners blah blah blah.

Sounds like someone needs to reconsider their friends...

 

[Exorcet]

Wrong, it is a stereotype, though a strong one. Every teenager you've ridden with does not equate to all. I normally did 10 over the limit on the highways as a teenager, but that's a common occurrence amongst several thousand people of all ages. I didn't speed around corners though & normally knew where my limits were.

That all came from how my father taught me how to drive & to respect a a vehicle's limits. That pretty well prepared me for my driving test & sharing the road. Now a days, though, it's still ridiculously easy to get a drivers license here. There's even exceptions for those who shouldn't be allowed to drive in the first place.

Yes, it certainly is a stereotype. When learning to drive, I made some mistakes. However, intentionally speeding or bringing a road car anywhere near the limit is something I've never done. All I used was common sense, I did not have to be told. Driving fast or wild on a public road has always been something with absolutely no appeal to me despite a love for fast cars.

Ever since I got my license, I can only recall one occasion where I almost came close to driving in an unsafe manner because I had misjudged a corner.

The sterotype is wrong for two reasons. One, it's a stereotype, and two, it provides an excuse. Accidents involving teenage drivers are not inevitable, and any good teen driver should have a low number of accidents, near accidents, and potential accidents. Something on the order of zero.

 

[JrDarknes]

I hate the stereotype but its true. I've seen two of my friends injured driving sports cars both awd.

It's just I don't think its speeding.

We don't watch out for others. Like blind sides for example. Were too lazy to look back through the window and just rely on our side mirrors or riding the bumper of another car or texting and driving etc....

ONLY reason my mom let me get a stick is because she knows I can't call or text because I'm using both hands.

 

[Bopop4]

Sounds like someone needs to reconsider their friends...

...

I suggest that you don't talk about my friends like that.

 

[Exorcet]

I hate the stereotype but its true. I've seen two of my friends injured driving sports cars both awd.

It's just I don't think its speeding.

We don't watch out for others. Like blind sides for example. Were too lazy to look back through the window and just rely on our side mirrors or riding the bumper of another car or texting and driving etc....

ONLY reason my mom let me get a stick is because she knows I can't call or text because I'm using both hands.

That doesn't make it true. It means your friends are probably bad drivers and that you may be lazy.

Teenagers are statistically more likely to be involved in a crash, that does not mean all teenagers can't drive, don't care, and will crash with in 3 months of getting a license.

At least two people here have shown that last bit to be less than true.

 

[albteman015]

That doesn't make it true. It means your friends are probably bad drivers and that you may be lazy.

Teenagers are statistically more likely to be involved in a crash, that does not mean all teenagers can't drive, don't care, and will crash with in 3 months of getting a license.

At least two people here have shown that last bit to be less than true.

I concur. Its been 3 years that I have had my licence but I have yet to receive so much as a parking ticket and I live in New York which is terrible for traffic and incidents.

It comes down to not paying attention behind the wheel and inexperience for most younger drivers though. I have a few friends that have been in accidents and it has changed them as drivers. Before they used be on their phones constantly or always changing the radio and after the incident are always focusing on the road. Another problem is that many young drivers are horrible at parking and going in reverse.

One time I was riding shotgun with my better half driving while we were picking up some friends for a night out. We passed their house and pulled over a few houses down to wait for them to get to the car. When they are walking over , for some reason, she starts backing up..... into another car! At least she did the right thing and rang on the owner's doorbell and told them what happened. The was only minor scrapes on the grill so the deiced not to file a claim. She said she wanted to move the car closer so our friends would not have to walk as far. In her defense it was late and very dark outside. But I can't fathom how people do not check behind them when backing up and there are many people who do it.

I also feel that parents should not be purchasing cars that induce bad behavior behind the wheel. If I had an STI Impreza, I would probably drive like a 🤬 every now and then. Thankfully , my father gave me his old car, A 98' S class. The thing feels like a tank and I am genuinely afraid that I will kill someone if I hit them in that thing going anything over 30.

 

[Kylehnat]

I also feel that parents should not be purchasing cars that induce bad behavior behind the wheel. If I had an STI Impreza, I would probably drive like a 🤬 every now and then. Thankfully , my father gave me his old car, A 98' S class. The thing feels like a tank and I am genuinely afraid that I will kill someone if I hit them in that thing going anything over 30.

^This. Teenagers should not drive fast cars. It only encourages bad behavior..."hey guys, check this out ". Very few of us can claim that we didn't do stupid stuff as teen-drivers, even if we only had slow, ugly, old cars (me!). I can confidently say that if I had my 370Z as a 16-year-old, I would have killed myself in it. I'm not sure whether it would have been through stupidity or inexperience, but it definitely would have been one of those.

 

[albteman015]

^This. Teenagers should not drive fast cars. It only encourages bad behavior..."hey guys, check this out ". Very few of us can claim that we didn't do stupid stuff as teen-drivers, even if we only had slow, ugly, old cars (me!). I can confidently say that if I had my 370Z as a 16-year-old, I would have killed myself in it. I'm not sure whether it would have been through stupidity or inexperience, but it definitely would have been one of those.

Not only that but few kids know how to handle a high performance car. I've seen some stupid, stupid things where I live. Like going to the mall and pulling the E-brake to do a 180 in the middle of the parking lot for no reason. Cops were right there. Was laughing my rear end off while the cop was writing the ticket. I hang out with some morons behind the wheel I could say that much.

 

[Parker]

I also feel that parents should not be purchasing cars that induce bad behavior behind the wheel. If I had an STI Impreza, I would probably drive like a 🤬 every now and then. Thankfully , my father gave me his old car, A 98' S class. The thing feels like a tank and I am genuinely afraid that I will kill someone if I hit them in that thing going anything over 30.

In my personal opinion, parents shouldn't buy any car for their kids. I was always told as a child that if I wanted a car when I was 16 I'd have to buy it myself, so I saved for years from various farming jobs to be able to afford my truck.

I think if more kids had to work for and buy their own cars they'd respect them a whole lot more and stop a lit of the idiotic behavior behind the wheel. I had countless friends who had their parents buy them cars and not a single one took care of them at all. If you respect your car, you'll be a better driver.

 

[albteman015]

Well I am going to have to disagree. My car was not bought for me but it was still handed down so I did not have to pay for it. Nevertheless, I do not put a scratch on the thing. I work on it myself whenever it goes wrong and constantly change the oil. The thing has over 180,000 miles on it and still runs perfect. The only Major issues right now is that the motor mounts are worn and I broke the passenger side sway bar link when I had to drive through the debris Sandy left behind. I take care of my car my friend.

 

[Parker]

Well I am going to have to disagree. My car was not bought for me but it was still handed down so I did not have to pay for it. Nevertheless, I do not put a scratch on the thing. I work on it myself whenever it goes wrong and constantly change the oil. The thing has over 180,000 miles on it and still runs perfect. The only Major issues right now is that the motor mounts are worn and I broke the passenger side sway bar link when I had to drive through the debris Sandy left behind. I take care of my car my friend.

There is always going to be exceptions, and since you're a car enthusiast you're going to take care of your car. A lot of kids don't really care about cars, thus they drive like idiots. I have multiple friends who have bought their kids cars, and most of those kids have had at least one accident (being their fault) and many more tickets. On the other hand, my friends who made their kids buy their own cars have kids with less tickets and I think only one had an accident in which it was his fault.

Obviously I can't speak for everyone and I'm sure there are kids who buy their own cars and treat them like crap, but I still believe that buying your own vehicle makes you take better care of it than someone who was just given a vehicle.

 

[McLaren]

Stupidly easy, 90% of Canadian drivers would fail a European driving test.

And you're supposed to do 10 over, keep with the flow of traffic.

You're supposed to keep with the flow of traffic, that part is true. 10 over is not because the flow of traffic can vary.

^This. Teenagers should not drive fast cars. It only encourages bad behavior..."hey guys, check this out ". Very few of us can claim that we didn't do stupid stuff as teen-drivers, even if we only had slow, ugly, old cars (me!). I can confidently say that if I had my 370Z as a 16-year-old, I would have killed myself in it. I'm not sure whether it would have been through stupidity or inexperience, but it definitely would have been one of those.

I have to concur. After driving a couple AMGs at work, I know for a fact if I had been given any of those cars at 16, the temptation to run them hard even just once would have been incredibly strong. There is a lot of torque behind those cars & being RWD, it's not hard at all to even break traction with just a little bit of gas. IMO, a teenager wanting a fast car needs to learn how to progress through slower ones. There's no a way teen doing his license test in a Chrysler Sebring or whatever will be ready for the leap forward that is even a 300whp car. I know for a fact I would be dead if I had ever gone from my old Mitsubishi to one of these cars I drive now-a-days & I've already seen first hand at work, a young guy who regularly drives a Corolla unable to handle even an IS250.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I'd have at the very least gotten into a lot of trouble if I had anything quicker than I did starting out. Can't say for sure I would've wrecked it due to car control or overdriving it (did wind up wrecking my first car even so, mainly due to not comprehending how stupid other people can be) but I can say that even a stock 5.0 Fox would've gotten my license pulled in very short order.

Though I won't lie and say I've never tried to show off for my friends, I can say I've never come close to overdriving a car with anyone other than me in it. My safety is my safety and therefore my problem... But if others' safety would be impacted by me screwing up, I won't put myself in that situation. I can honestly say the only time I've scared someone riding with me was when the idiot refused to put his belt on (he was in the back so technically not illegal but if you're gonna ride in my car...) and I threw him around a bit so he'd get the point.

 

[albteman015]

There is always going to be exceptions, and since you're a car enthusiast you're going to take care of your car. A lot of kids don't really care about cars, thus they drive like idiots. I have multiple friends who have bought their kids cars, and most of those kids have had at least one accident (being their fault) and many more tickets. On the other hand, my friends who made their kids buy their own cars have kids with less tickets and I think only one had an accident in which it was his fault.

Obviously I can't speak for everyone and I'm sure there are kids who buy their own cars and treat them like crap, but I still believe that buying your own vehicle makes you take better care of it than someone who was just given a vehicle.

While you do make a great point, I still have to disagree. Some kids don't respect any of their belongings in general and that trickles down to their vehicles. Some others have an almost obsessive-compulsive nature with their belongings.

Again I have a friend who takes care of all his things. So much so that he does not even remove the plastic lining that is left on the screen when he purchases a new phone because he does not want fingerprint marks on it. That guy babies his car. I think you will find that people who do not appreciate what they have will abuse it to the point of destruction.

The reason I want to defend younger drivers is because I know many really good ones and I know even more terrible older drivers. A thirty year old man will try to show off in a fast car just as much as a 16
year old boy. The only difference here is that the man has more experience to handle that car when he does drive quickly. But in my opinion their low experience does not mean that they don't care about how they behave behind the wheel.

I can honestly say the only time I've scared someone riding with me was when the idiot refused to put his belt on (he was in the back so technically not illegal but if you're gonna ride in my car...) and I threw him around a bit so he'd get the point.

I've done that also. It genuinely bothers me when people don't wear seat belts while they are in car, even if they are in the back seat. Actually the back seat is said to be just as dangerous now since many of them still don't have airbags and it's not like you can't get tossed around and bash you head somewhere. Where I live you have to have your seat belt on anyway.

 

[Kylehnat]

Not only that but few kids know how to handle a high performance car.

There's no a way teen doing his license test in a Chrysler Sebring or whatever will be ready for the leap forward that is even a 300whp car.

This goes for everyone, not just teens: I am so very glad I took a High-Performance Driving (HPD) course before buying a sports car. I feel that the stuff I learned at Bondurant--in a controlled environment--is extremely beneficial. Previous to that, I had never driven anything "fast". Learning how to drive a 400-hp RWD car--with professional instruction on a closed-course--taught me elements of car control which can't be safely learned any other way. Since I took that class in 2009, I can think of four or five instances where I avoided a crash because of it (two were in the snow at less than 25 mph). Anyone who is willing to spend the money to have a fast car should be willing to spend $400-$500 on a one-day HPD class, which are offered at many local tracks. Also, riding along with an instructor on the track...yeah....you and me aren't fast....at all