Thrustmaster T-GT VS Fanatec CSL Elite PS4

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Should i buy the Thrustmaster T-GT or a Fanatec CSL Elite PS4??

  • Thrustmaster T-GT

    Votes: 31 29.5%

  • Fanatec CSL Elite PS4

    Votes: 74 70.5%
  • Total voters
    105
FMW
Sim Racing Girl knows her hardware. She has about all the new mid-range wheels out there, so I think her review of the TM is pretty forthright. The only thing is...Right now, there is no sign that FANATEC wheels are supported in GT Sport. If you've pre-loaded the DEMO, all you will see in the wheel menus are Thrust Master and one Logitech.
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I take her reviews with a grain of salt. She is sponsored by Vesaro and Fanatec (thrustmaster too). But fanatec probably sent her more free stuff. Like ISRTV is sponsored by thrustmaster and is biased towards thrustmaster. Shaun of Simpit seems like someone honest and unbiased. And liked both ts-pc and csl. Your last sentence says it all though. Logitech and thrustmaster are always compatible with all racing games.
 
PocketZeven
To the OP. I personally decided to go for the T-GT over the CSLE. I have stated my reasoning in this thread:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/thrustmaster-t-gt-wheel-thread.346309/page-17
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I went back and forth between the two and also went for the T-GT although my main reason was my fairly unique circumstances. The MODE button is very important to me, plus I also found this in the manual interesting for future compatibility...
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IF I buy a new wheel, I think I’ll go with the Fanatec. I have a GT3rs clubsport package and I’m very impressed with their build quality. That wheel was much better than my G25, the Clubsport Pedals were WAY better!

I bought a T500rs for GT6, the fan spazzed out, they sent me one to replace, unheard of! They should have given me a check for $75 to do the labor!!! And now they want, what 800 bucks for this new wheel, which comes with JUNK pedals? I don’t know man. I think they are playing fast and loose with this Gran Turismo “official wheel” license.

The question is, do I trust Thrustmaster’s reliability? Based my experience and others here, I think not.
 
I have the TGT ... I am a man in the know how.
Get the TGT. Better for Gran trismo sport, and now I'm talk facts.

Has anyone mentioned Input wheel latency in this thread ??
has she done a iracing wheel check latency test ??
Does she know about moment of INTERIA of circular objects to radius ??

She mentions cogging.... she is lost the plot i am assuming. there is non while racing, for me at least.

Simpit shaun cole said he will do a comparison to see which one has lower latency... Useful thing.

Transducer is awesome, makes a difference in GT sport..... even though she said she prefers the one on her rig.
She doesn't understand that we PS4 players can't have that so why compare PC transducer with a PS4 wheel feature and say i prefer the Rig transducer. totally irreelavent point. Since we can't run that on PS4 as it sound be run from sim commander software.
see what i mean she talks from a lay perspective.

so the TGT transducer for ps4 player on GT becomes the best thing we can have.
So with the Transducer i can feel the gears change as they slam up or down... very nice wheel and strong on FFB setting 4.

If u got the money buy TGT. CSL might still be good but for GT sport it 100% worse the the TGT.
FACT
 
omar awan
I have the TGT ... I am a man in the know how.
Get the TGT. Better for Gran trismo sport, and now I'm talk facts.

Has anyone mentioned Input wheel latency in this thread ??
has she done a iracing wheel check latency test ??
Does she know about moment of INTERIA of circular objects to radius ??

She mentions cogging.... she is lost the plot i am assuming. there is non while racing, for me at least.

Simpit shaun cole said he will do a comparison to see which one has lower latency... Useful thing.

Transducer is awesome, makes a difference in GT sport..... even though she said she prefers the one on her rig.
She doesn't understand that we PS4 players can't have that so why compare PC transducer with a PS4 wheel feature and say i prefer the Rig transducer. totally irreelavent point. Since we can't run that on PS4 as it sound be run from sim commander software.
see what i mean she talks from a lay perspective.

so the TGT transducer for ps4 player on GT becomes the best thing we can have.
So with the Transducer i can feel the gears change as they slam up or down... very nice wheel and strong on FFB setting 4.

If u got the money buy TGT. CSL might still be good but for GT sport it 100% worse the the TGT.
FACT
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Do you own the Fanatec wheel so that you can do a direct comparison?
 
omar awan
I have the TGT ... I am a man in the know how.
Get the TGT. Better for Gran trismo sport, and now I'm talk facts.

Has anyone mentioned Input wheel latency in this thread ??
has she done a iracing wheel check latency test ??
Does she know about moment of INTERIA of circular objects to radius ??

She mentions cogging.... she is lost the plot i am assuming. there is non while racing, for me at least.

Simpit shaun cole said he will do a comparison to see which one has lower latency... Useful thing.

Transducer is awesome, makes a difference in GT sport..... even though she said she prefers the one on her rig.
She doesn't understand that we PS4 players can't have that so why compare PC transducer with a PS4 wheel feature and say i prefer the Rig transducer. totally irreelavent point. Since we can't run that on PS4 as it sound be run from sim commander software.
see what i mean she talks from a lay perspective.

so the TGT transducer for ps4 player on GT becomes the best thing we can have.
So with the Transducer i can feel the gears change as they slam up or down... very nice wheel and strong on FFB setting 4.

If u got the money buy TGT. CSL might still be good but for GT sport it 100% worse the the TGT.
FACT
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Don’t need to justify your purchase dude. I like it too. But she just stated her opinion. Albeit biased. I do agree thrustmaster should have a loadcell brakeset that would make the thrustmaster really a class above the CSLE. An official brake mod has been floating around in limbo from thrustmaster (search TRS official Loadcell mod). If you could send an email asking about the product, that would be major helpful! Thrustmaster should be pressured to improve their pedalset above anything else!
 
DaveTheStalker
IF I buy a new wheel, I think I’ll go with the Fanatec. I have a GT3rs clubsport package and I’m very impressed with their build quality. That wheel was much better than my G25, the Clubsport Pedals were WAY better!

I bought a T500rs for GT6, the fan spazzed out, they sent me one to replace, unheard of! They should have given me a check for $75 to do the labor!!! And now they want, what 800 bucks for this new wheel, which comes with JUNK pedals? I don’t know man. I think they are playing fast and loose with this Gran Turismo “official wheel” license.

The question is, do I trust Thrustmaster’s reliability? Based my experience and others here, I think not.
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The pedals are hardly junk. They are good pedals, but miss a loadcell brake.
The pedals from fanatec are far superior probably. Hopefully thrustmaster will finally do something about it though.
 
VFOURMAX1
Do you own the Fanatec wheel so that you can do a direct comparison?
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you need to understand that a good wheel with a belt is s good wheel which both are. Now since you understand that your next question ought to be “what’s the difference between the 2”.
TGT has the transducer so better for gts.
Csl elite has load cell brake better for non abs users and more natural to reality.

Since u can always buy a load cell for TGT brake aftermarket... then get the thrustmaster since the added FFB for the CSL can’t be brought with a buttkivker transducer add on
 
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omar awan
you need to understand that a good wheel with a belt is s good wheel which both are. Now since you understand that your next question ought to be “what’s the difference between the 2”.
TGT has the transducer so better for gts.
Csl elite has load cell brake better for non abs users and more natural to reality.

Since u can always buy a load cell for TGT brake aftermarket... then get the thrustmaster since the added FFB for the CSL can’t be brought with a buttkivker transducer add on
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You still did not answer my question of do you have both products to personally compare the two?
Or are you watching review videos and reading online advertising and making your determination based on unconfirmed facts or someone's possibly skewed by sponsorship or advertising dollars to the company they review for opinions or from something just found on the internet?

omar awan
I have the TGT ... I am a man in the know how.
Get the TGT. Better for Gran trismo sport, and now I'm talk facts.[/QUOTE
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I value anyone's right to have an opinion but when you come on a forum promoting an expensive product as being the best and claim you are stating facts then it takes a little more than your opinion to be able to back up such a statement.

Actually if you do not own or have not done extensive scientific testing and have those test results to back up your claims on both products that test the build quality, use in application pros and cons of each product as all products have good and bad points compared to another product the your statements as far as being "facts" is not worth the time it took to type this reply.

I have no problem and actually strongly recommend with using all sources of material from various sources to try to gain knowledge about a product they are considering for purchase.

I do find that responding to a thread with someone searching out such information that a response of as you call it "facts" that apparently have no valid
documentation to back up your claims other than your personal opinion or advertising claims or some review found on the internet is exactly how some possible misinformation gets started.

As far as certain features or components such as the use of different parts between brands such as transducers or load cell tech on the braking pedal those are what would be the pros and cons to be listed for each unit. It does not mean that one or the other is a superior product or that the build quality is equal or that one may not be considered a better value.

Now just to throw a wrench into this if you take an accomplished GTS "A" rated driver and you give that driver;
1.) A $799.00 U.S. dollar Thrust Master TGT wheel and pedal set
2.) A (currently available for) $199.00 U.S. dollar Logitech G29 wheel and pedal set

Will that driver post enough of a lap time difference or what would the lap time be in difference of tenths of a second between using the two wheels to justify spending the extra 600.00 U.S. dollars for the Thrust Master product over the LOGITECH product?

Is the build quality better on the TM or the Logitech?

What about longevity, TM has an internet reputation for higher and within a shorter time frame than what should be considered normal failure rates across their model line and their pedals on line are not very highly regarded on line as well.

Logitech is known as older clunky technology but has extremely high reliability reputation, great build quality with the G29 having pretty good pedals out of the box at a price point that currently you could buy 4 G29 wheel and pedal sets to have three brand new spare units for the cost of 1 TGT.

There is a lot more than what transducer is employed to make a product the best and sometimes from a purchasing pricing point the "best" could actually be the "worst" for the features, performance and value received for the money spent.

And I did not hardly mention Fanatec who does carry a very high owners online opinion of the product and build quality and also cost less than the TM.

Lot of choices, lot of pros and cons but one thing for sure is the TGT is not for a fact necessarily the best option across the board for GTS.
I do not own any Thrust Master products nor any Fanatec products so my opinions are gained from what I have read in advertising, customer reviews and on different forums so please take what I share as such.
I do own a G29 and would have no problem recommending it at its price point as a good value that is well constructed and I feel it is ample for the job at hand. Again just my opinion not fact.

The only "fact" you have proven is you stated your opinion.
 
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VFOURMAX1
I value anyone's right to have an opinion but when you come on a forum promoting an expensive product as being the best and claim you are stating facts then it takes a little more than your opinion to be able to back up such a statement.

Actually if you do not own or have not done extensive scientific testing and have those test results to back up your claims on both products that test the build quality, use in application pros and cons of each product as all products have good and bad points compared to another product the your statements as far as being "facts" is not worth the time it took to type this reply.

I have no problem and actually strongly recommend with using all sources of material from various sources to try to gain knowledge about a product they are considering for purchase.

I do find that responding to a thread with someone searching out such information that a response of as you call it "facts" that apparently have no valid
documentation to back up your claims other than your personal opinion or advertising claims or some review found on the internet is exactly how some possible misinformation gets started.

As far as certain features or components such as the use of different parts between brands such as transducers or load cell tech on the braking pedal those are what would be the pros and cons to be listed for each unit. It does not mean that one or the other is a superior product or that the build quality is equal or that one may not be considered a better value.

Now just to throw a wrench into this if you take an accomplished GTS "A" rated driver and you give that driver;
1.) A $799.00 U.S. dollar Thrust Master TGT wheel and pedal set
2.) A (currently available for) $199.00 U.S. dollar Logitech G29 wheel and pedal set

Will that driver post enough of a lap time difference or what would the lap time be in difference of tenths of a second between using the two wheels to justify spending the extra 600.00 U.S. dollars for the Thrust Master product over the LOGITECH product?

Is the build quality better on the TM or the Logitech?

What about longevity, TM has an internet reputation for higher and within a shorter time frame than what should be considered normal failure rates across their model line and their pedals on line are not very highly regarded on line as well.

Logitech is known as older clunky technology but has extremely high reliability reputation, great build quality with the G29 having pretty good pedals out of the box at a price point that currently you could buy 4 G29 wheel and pedal sets to have three brand new spare units for the cost of 1 TGT.

There is a lot more than what transducer is employed to make a product the best and sometimes from a purchasing pricing point the "best" could actually be the "worst" for the features, performance and value received for the money spent.

And I did not hardly mention Fanatec who does carry a very high owners online opinion of the product and build quality and also cost less than the TM.

Lot of choices, lot of pros and cons but one thing for sure is the TGT is not for a fact necessarily the best option across the board for GTS.
I do not own any Thrust Master products nor any Fanatec products so my opinions are gained from what I have read in advertising, customer reviews and on different forums so please take what I share as such.
I do own a G29 and would have no problem recommending it at its price point as a good value that is well constructed and I feel it is ample for the job at hand. Again just my opinion not fact.

The only "fact" you have proven is you stated your opinion.
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I own G29 and put that under my bed as back up. I know this wheel since I had it for over a month.... it’s better for FFB on gt sport. What part of that is hard to understand. I ain’t no stupid common person who talks out of his behind.
I am a S rated driver and can get Car around the track at decent speed. That’s coupled with my experience of high end direct drive wheels and consumer level wheels and a sound technician background in aerospace engineering and computer science gives me a good basis to analyse some performance metrics from configuration. :)


I don’t know what u want to hear but it sounds like your not gonna hear what u want to. So good luck with your thing.

I hear this girl talk and yep she does a excellent job considering her technical know how but since this is an engineering product the possible limitations of the design aspects she complains about are in fact strengths...

So let her confuse you and other people, I’m just summing up my understanding and abd saying the TGT is better overall

Since I showed that with my purchase over the csl elite.

I only upgraded since the g29 would keep the family awake at night otherwise if u have the g29 then keep that wheel since it has the lowest inputs lag and quiets response of any consumer level wheel. Check the iRacing forums to see the hard data on the speed of the Logitech g25/27 wheels compared to Belt driven wheels are faster to react by quite some margin so bear that in mind if ur thinking of changing from a G29
 
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PocketZeven
The pedals are hardly junk. They are good pedals, but miss a loadcell brake.
The pedals from fanatec are far superior probably. Hopefully thrustmaster will finally do something about it though.
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Compared to the all METAL pedals that came with the T500, plastic is absolutely unacceptable. ESPECIALLY at the price point Thrustmaster has placed this new wheel.

Unbelievable.
 
azrilnazli
at higher level of competition, better brake is a good package to edge your opponent out
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DaveTheStalker
Compared to the all METAL pedals that came with the T500, plastic is absolutely unacceptable. ESPECIALLY at the price point Thrustmaster has placed this new wheel.

Unbelievable.
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again someone someone who thinks the material used to rest your feet is the deciding factor....... your not the only one as well.

I will let you come to better conclusions as your knowledge grows
 
omar awan
I own G29 and put that under my bed as back up. I know this wheel since I had it for over a month.... it’s better for FFB on gt sport. What part of that is hard to understand. I ain’t no stupid common person who talks out of his behind.
I am a S rated driver and can get Car around the track at decent speed. That’s coupled with my experience of high end direct drive wheels and consumer level wheels and a sound technician background in aerospace engineering and computer science gives me a good basis to analyse some performance metrics from configuration. :)


I don’t know what u want to hear but it sounds like your not gonna hear what u want to. So good luck with your thing.

I hear this girl talk and yep she does a excellent job considering her technical know how but since this is an engineering product the possible limitations of the design aspects she complains about are in fact strengths...

So let her confuse you and other people, I’m just summing up my understanding and abd saying the TGT is better overall

Since I showed that with my purchase over the csl elite.
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I only upgraded since the g29 would keep the family awake at night otherwise if u have the g29 then keep that wheel since it has the lowest inputs lag and quiets response of any consumer level wheel. Check the iRacing forums to see the hard data on the speed of the Logitech g25/27 wheels compared to Belt driven wheels are faster to react by quite some margin so bear that in mind if ur thinking of changing from a G29
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Seems that from your different post that even what you say yourself contradicts your own self from post to post.

First you say for a fact that the TGT is the best wheel for GTS.
In a follow up post you are saying that the Logitech wheels has the lowest input lag and I quote
" if u have the g29 then keep that wheel since it has the lowest inputs lag and quiets response of any consumer level wheel. Check the iRacing forums to see the hard data on the speed of the Logitech g25/27 wheels compared to Belt driven wheels are faster to react by quite some margin so bear that in mind if ur thinking of changing from a G29"[/QUOTE]

So if the Logitech has the lowest input lag and quickest response by a large margin as you say in your follow up post then it would stand to reason that a top ten class driver in GTS could and should turn a better lap time with a wheel that you could at current sale prices buy 4 of for the cost of 1 TGT.

Now simply stated if the above is true and factual how can the TGT be a better wheel for competition on GTS than the faster Logitech with less lag?

Now you go on to say that the TGT is quieter and oh yeah we must not forget about the "transducer on the TGT from your first post isn't that what you say makes the TGT so great on GTS and worth 800.00 dollars U.S. even though the 200.00 dollar U.S. Logitech wheels have less lag and as you say "are faster to react by quite some margin" which should relate to better, quicker and more precise control for the Logitech product.

Guess I need to go check the IRacing forums for the hard data because if it is on the forum it has to be facts right?

You bounce back and forth and every time you post the information is changing and different, still waiting for VERIFIABLE facts and data to support your claims that keep bouncing around all over.
 
PocketZeven
Don’t need to justify your purchase dude. I like it too. But she just stated her opinion. Albeit biased. I do agree thrustmaster should have a loadcell brakeset that would make the thrustmaster really a class above the CSLE. An official brake mod has been floating around in limbo from thrustmaster (search TRS official Loadcell mod). If you could send an email asking about the product, that would be major helpful! Thrustmaster should be pressured to improve their pedalset above anything else!
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I have a TGT and sent an email requesting load cell info. Its been almost a week. Nothing.
 
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G29 I find easier on and better on assetto corsa to catch slides at Nords in tricky cars. It let me know faster when the rear goes and no belt driven wheel I have used is as fast as the g29. Then to back this up wheel tests from iRacing support this with the snap shoot of the test results.

But for gts sport the cars aren’t as tricky and if the gt3/4 cars slide they have self correcting. So belt driven wheels are fine for that.

G25/27/29. 8ms lag
T500. 20-23 ms
Fanatec 14ms

Both Logitech and fanatec have 500mhz update rate, we’re as thrustmaster is 120hz.
Since it’s an older wheel I’m assuming the t300 processor is faster and the TGT is even faster.

But simpit Shaun Cole said he will do a test of the speed so that is final.

The fanatec CSL will not be faster then the Logitech G series wheels due to belt Flexibility and play....

So back to my original point if u got G29 then stick with it is a fast wheel.... hence most PC aliens use Logitech. Simracing girl don’t look at tech data just a emotive review lay simracers take to be the bible lol

Go figure
 
omar awan
again someone someone who thinks the material used to rest your feet is the deciding factor....... your not the only one as well.

I will let you come to better conclusions as your knowledge grows
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Are you old enough to drive a car? Have you purchased a car, with YOUR own money? If so, then you [probably] understand this thing called “build quality”. Maybe?

800 bucks for a wheel should come with the same pedal set as the T500 WITH a load cell added. You’re disagreeing with this, why???
 
TGT "wheelbase only" probably had better support on GTS only
outside of GTS, csl elite ps4 package is better in everyway all around. the t3pa is no match for the pedals which comes with the csl.


so you are now saying fanatec gt3 is similar to csl elite? WOW!.............
 
DaveTheStalker
Are you old enough to drive a car? Have you purchased a car, with YOUR own money? If so, then you [probably] understand this thing called “build quality”. Maybe?

800 bucks for a wheel should come with the same pedal set as the T500 WITH a load cell added. You’re disagreeing with this, why???
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This is not the 1950’s..... plastic is strong and rigid. The internal mechanism is metal. The housing is plastic and I rest my heel on it not smash a hammer into before I race lol.

It’s fine to take the 20-30 kg my legs place in it. The pedals don’t flex at all and the arms are strong. So what’s the problem u have with build quality ??

Ergonomically the plastic feels warmer with lower thermal heat transfer so my feet dont feel cold so all good
 
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freedom1104
TGT "wheelbase only" probably had better support on GTS only
outside of GTS, csl elite ps4 package is better in everyway all around. the t3pa is no match for the pedals which comes with the csl.


so you are now saying fanatec gt3 is similar to csl elite? WOW!.............
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Wow lol .....

Wow u didn’t read the post properly and the previous post about the guy with the G29 thinking of buying a new wheel.
There I just gave his some WOW hard data so he can wow and appreciate the benifits the G29 has over belt driven wheels WOW.

Csl Is a nice wheel, yeah. I would buy it if I was on PS4. Opps I didn’t buy it since I am on ps4.
Thanks for the head up about it’s a better wheel appreciate ur know how.
 

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