Thrustmaster T-GT VS Fanatec CSL Elite PS4

[Twstcrv]

Are you old enough to drive a car? Have you purchased a car, with YOUR own money? If so, then you [probably] understand this thing called “build quality”. Maybe?

800 bucks for a wheel should come with the same pedal set as the T500 WITH a load cell added. You’re disagreeing with this, why???

To be fair the entire tgt pedal is metal now. But I agree the CSL load cell set is WAY better. Ie load cell, resistance options, placement options, and overall build quality. See the petition thread in the hardware forum and send your email to tm if you own one.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

The chart you are providing list NONE of the models of wheels that you are trying to use it as a reference for.

Specs and test results from past models of anything are not any indication of the specs for a later model as different hardware and different electronics used can come into play and the only way to verify the specs is to test the new models and record the results. Your chart shows and means nothing for current model results.

I am not going to say this is a fact but if I remember correctly I think I remember reading somewhere that the G25/G27 were better spec wise than than the G29.

I only bring this up because you are trying to show specs from a G25/27 and claiming that they are the same specs for the G29 and I do not believe you are correct.

Hopefully someone that knows for sure can come along and clarify that.

That does not change the FACT that you still have not provided any verifiable documentation backing up the claims you made on the the current products, the TM TGT, Logitech G29 and the Fanatec CSL that have been the subject matter since the start.!
AND THAT JACK IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!

 

[freedom1104]

View attachment 689428 G29 I find easier on and better on assetto corsa to catch slides at Nords in tricky cars. It let me know faster when the rear goes and no belt driven wheel I have used is as fast as the g29. Then to back this up wheel tests from iRacing support this with the snap shoot of the test results.

But for gts sport the cars aren’t as tricky and if the gt3/4 cars slide they have self correcting. So belt driven wheels are fine for that.

G25/27/29. 8ms lag
T500. 20-23 ms
Fanatec 14ms

Both Logitech and fanatec have 500mhz update rate, we’re as thrustmaster is 120hz.
Since it’s an older wheel I’m assuming the t300 processor is faster and the TGT is even faster.

But simpit Shaun Cole said he will do a test of the speed so that is final.

The fanatec CSL will not be faster then the Logitech G series wheels due to belt Flexibility and play....

So back to my original point if u got G29 then stick with it is a fast wheel.... hence most PC aliens use Logitech. Simracing girl don’t look at tech data just a emotive review lay simracers take to be the bible lol

Go figure

Your just assuming t300 and tgt is faster than a t500.

then you talk aboout belt driven wheel is slower than helical gear G series.

You talk about wheel input lag and update rate, if TGT is inferior in this field than a logitech, then why you buy a TGT? its slower than a G series anyway?

most of the review stated, the biggest CON of the TGT is it pricing. if its a 500-600 dollar wheelbase, its great. it isnt the case when it is 800 dollar.

 

[omar awan]

To be fair the entire tgt pedal is metal now. But I agree the CSL load cell set is WAY better. Ie load cell, resistance options, placement options, and overall build quality. See the petition thread in this forum topic and send your email to tm if you own one.

I agree load cell it nicer.... I got mine now so up to them if they wanna chance it.
Perfect combo is TGT base with csl load cell pedals.

Belt wheels are quieter and my flat mates said they can’t sleep when I used the g29. I love the G29 my favourite wheel on PCARS 1 and assetto corsa.
On GT SPORT the TGT “feels” nicer then the g29 but on assetto my driving is faster with the g29.
Since assetto is my favourite sim then the G29 is my go to wheel when I play that.... but not since gts launched.

Belt wheels are good but not all the praise for them can disprove hard evidence about the benifits of Logitech wheels.... I’m going off at tangent here but I thought I put that in

 

[Twstcrv]

I agree load cell it nicer.... I got mine now so up to them if they wanna chance it.
Perfect combo is TGT base with csl load cell pedals

True, unfortunately a device called a CPX adapter is required and the only place that makes them is out of stock.

 

[omar awan]

True, unfortunately a device called a CPX adapter is required and the only place that makes them is out of stock.

can use fanatec pedals with thrustmaster bases with that CPX device ??

 

[azrilnazli]

given a choice, i would rather use G29 with loadell pedal like v3 from fanatec rather than t-gt with potentiometer system.

Thats why in PC simracing, there are people who still use G27 but with Heusinkveld Engineering pedal.

 

[Twstcrv]

can use fanatec pedals with thrustmaster bases with that CPX device ??

Yes, but it seems to be no longer available.

 

[Chipmonk77]

After reading your various comments on CSL Elite vs. T-GT i want to share my experiences with wheels i used to own and some test wheels. First of all, i started Sim Racing about 5 years ago using the Fanatec GT3RS V2 Wheel together with the CSL Elite Pedal Set equipped with a LoadCell. That means i have had experience with LoadCell Technology right from the start of my racing career...
With the release of PCars on PS4 i wanted to purchase a new wheel due to Fanatec‘s PS4 wheel incompatibility. For me the best solution at that time was to buy the PS4-ready T300RS together with the T3PA Pedals known from the T500 set. The T300 is a nice wheel, driving never felt better in my hands. Big Part of that feeling came from PCars’ FFB and Road Feel on a new console generation for me...
But there were some things i didn‘t like and part of that came with the braking sensation. The so called Conical Brake Mod is a bunch of crap, i have to say it with these harsh words. I wanted my CSL Elite pedals back and ordered the ominous CPX Adapter from BasherBoards. After 11 months of sticking with these toyish pedals i was so happy to finally receive the CPX Adapter and was able to hook up my then 2 years old CSL Elite Pedals with the T300RS. It worked like a charm and it‘s been another two years using my Pedals with more titles like F1 15-17, Assetto Corsa, PCars 1&2, Dirt Rallye and 4, etc. I used the Thrustmaster Wheel assembled in my rig from the PCars1 Release until last week, driving everyday at least 200km on Nordschleife. When the F599XX Alcantara Wheel Add on was released i instantly ordered it cause the sedond thing i was missing so much from my old Fanatec days was the rims bigger diameter of 30cm and the Alcantara grip sensation.
In September i went to the RingWerk at the Nürburgring and had the chance to test out the all new
Thrustmaster T-GT Wheel for a few minutes as there was a GT-Sports/Thrustmaster Promotion Rig.
By the way, at this time i had no knowledge of the 800€ price tag...

First of all, for my personal taste the T-GT‘s look is a bit too futuristic and blingbling... but this is only my view of the design and clearly no knock out criteria when testing a wheel. The disappointment came with the conclusion, that Thrustmaster didn‘t evolve or improve some things. The wheel rim is still 28cm, toyish. The pedals are still the same as on the old T500RS. The build quality of the base is not better than on my T300RS i was using at home, the plastic look was nearly identical hence with a fresher design. The connection between rim and base still isn‘t as solid and rigid as expected in a higher price range. When the base is hard mounted to rig there is a lot of motion when you push the wheel rim towards the base or slightly pull it back. This slight motion affects the FFB feeling because the wheel is constantly shaking a bit when being moved. FFB and torque didn‘t feel better than the old T500‘s performance i tested at a friend.
A flagship product should do better...
When i later read the price would be this high i couldn‘t believe it at first, but that is another thing to discuss.

I want to tell you about my last 2 weeks with my new CSL Elite Wheel / CSL Elite LC Brake combo. I have been driving more than 4000km, mainly GT Sport, and i am still amazed by the quality of this piece of hardware.
The haptic of wheel base and P1 Elite Rim is great, the optic good. The Shifter Pedals are seriously better working and sound great. The P1 Elite Rim is the lightest on the market, giving a perfect acceleration response. This is more important than the input lag in the base itself. Also there can be a noticeable lag coming from the motor itself... The CSL Elite Base has an update rate up to 1000hz, best in market. The wheel response is great. Fanatec used the same new servo motor, motor electronics and power control than in its flagship model CSW V2.5. This wheel has been tested with the lowest input lag of all available wheels on the market, even the G29 is way slower. There is no cause the CSL Elite Wheel should be any slower as the same technics are being used.
The servo motor is capable of producing > 8nm torque. The CSL Elite’s motor driver limits the maximum torque to > 6nm but it also accelerates the wheel rim faster than the CSW‘s motor driver.
The heat management has always been a big topic with the Thustmaster Wheels. With T300 i always had to sacrifice FFB levels to prevent from fading after excessive races. I modded my base for a better circulation flow and also installed a better vent, but it was always present.
With the CSL Elite fading is history. Even after excessive use for more than 10h of constantly racing FFB levels and feel always stayed the same. There was literally no noticeable higher temp to feel.
I don‘t have to make compromises turning the FFB down anymore. The wheels forces are often too much for me and i have to lower FFB after a few rounds.
The all new CSL Elite Pedal Set is a great build. The quality is pretty good and it is easy to calibrate, tweak and modify the pedals to your own taste.
I never had a better sim racing experience since i am using this wheel and am definitely never going back to the toyish Thrustmaster Wheels. And given the fact that 800€ ist massively overpriced there only can be one true recommendation to buy and that is the Fanatec CSL Elite Wheel.
Try it out and see for your self...

 

[PocketZeven]

Anyone who thinks a $1200AU wheel and pedal bundle without a LC Brake pedal is better then a $900AU Wheel and pedal combo that has a LC is either delusional or sponsored by Thrusmaster.

It’s a matter of opinion

The chart you are providing list NONE of the models of wheels that you are trying to use it as a reference for.

Specs and test results from past models of anything are not any indication of the specs for a later model as different hardware and different electronics used can come into play and the only way to verify the specs is to test the new models and record the results. Your chart shows and means nothing for current model results.

I am not going to say this is a fact but if I remember correctly I think I remember reading somewhere that the G25/G27 were better spec wise than than the G29.

I only bring this up because you are trying to show specs from a G25/27 and claiming that they are the same specs for the G29 and I do not believe you are correct.

Hopefully someone that knows for sure can come along and clarify that.

That does not change the FACT that you still have not provided any verifiable documentation backing up the claims you made on the the current products, the TM TGT, Logitech G29 and the Fanatec CSL that have been the subject matter since the start.!
AND THAT JACK IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!

the csl e has an refreshrate of 1000 improves from 500. So the wheel with least latency in this category is the CSLE.

 

[PocketZeven]

After reading your various comments on CSL Elite vs. T-GT i want to share my experiences with wheels i used to own and some test wheels. First of all, i started Sim Racing about 5 years ago using the Fanatec GT3RS V2 Wheel together with the CSL Elite Pedal Set equipped with a LoadCell. That means i have had experience with LoadCell Technology right from the start of my racing career...
With the release of PCars on PS4 i wanted to purchase a new wheel due to Fanatec‘s PS4 wheel incompatibility. For me the best solution at that time was to buy the PS4-ready T300RS together with the T3PA Pedals known from the T500 set. The T300 is a nice wheel, driving never felt better in my hands. Big Part of that feeling came from PCars’ FFB and Road Feel on a new console generation for me...
But there were some things i didn‘t like and part of that came with the braking sensation. The so called Conical Brake Mod is a bunch of crap, i have to say it with these harsh words. I wanted my CSL Elite pedals back and ordered the ominous CPX Adapter from BasherBoards. After 11 months of sticking with these toyish pedals i was so happy to finally receive the CPX Adapter and was able to hook up my then 2 years old CSL Elite Pedals with the T300RS. It worked like a charm and it‘s been another two years using my Pedals with more titles like F1 15-17, Assetto Corsa, PCars 1&2, Dirt Rallye and 4, etc. I used the Thrustmaster Wheel assembled in my rig from the PCars1 Release until last week, driving everyday at least 200km on Nordschleife. When the F599XX Alcantara Wheel Add on was released i instantly ordered it cause the sedond thing i was missing so much from my old Fanatec days was the rims bigger diameter of 30cm and the Alcantara grip sensation.
In September i went to the RingWerk at the Nürburgring and had the chance to test out the all new
Thrustmaster T-GT Wheel for a few minutes as there was a GT-Sports/Thrustmaster Promotion Rig.
By the way, at this time i had no knowledge of the 800€ price tag...

First of all, for my personal taste the T-GT‘s look is a bit too futuristic and blingbling... but this is only my view of the design and clearly no knock out criteria when testing a wheel. The disappointment came with the conclusion, that Thrustmaster didn‘t evolve or improve some things. The wheel rim is still 28cm, toyish. The pedals are still the same as on the old T500RS. The build quality of the base is not better than on my T300RS i was using at home, the plastic look was nearly identical hence with a fresher design. The connection between rim and base still isn‘t as solid and rigid as expected in a higher price range. When the base is hard mounted to rig there is a lot of motion when you push the wheel rim towards the base or slightly pull it back. This slight motion affects the FFB feeling because the wheel is constantly shaking a bit when being moved. FFB and torque didn‘t feel better than the old T500‘s performance i tested at a friend.
A flagship product should do better...
When i later read the price would be this high i couldn‘t believe it at first, but that is another thing to discuss.

I want to tell you about my last 2 weeks with my new CSL Elite Wheel / CSL Elite LC Brake combo. I have been driving more than 4000km, mainly GT Sport, and i am still amazed by the quality of this piece of hardware.
The haptic of wheel base and P1 Elite Rim is great, the optic good. The Shifter Pedals are seriously better working and sound great. The P1 Elite Rim is the lightest on the market, giving a perfect acceleration response. This is more important than the input lag in the base itself. Also there can be a noticeable lag coming from the motor itself... The CSL Elite Base has an update rate up to 1000hz, best in market. The wheel response is great. Fanatec used the same new servo motor, motor electronics and power control than in its flagship model CSW V2.5. This wheel has been tested with the lowest input lag of all available wheels on the market, even the G29 is way slower. There is no cause the CSL Elite Wheel should be any slower as the same technics are being used.
The servo motor is capable of producing > 8nm torque. The CSL Elite’s motor driver limits the maximum torque to > 6nm but it also accelerates the wheel rim faster than the CSW‘s motor driver.
The heat management has always been a big topic with the Thustmaster Wheels. With T300 i always had to sacrifice FFB levels to prevent from fading after excessive races. I modded my base for a better circulation flow and also installed a better vent, but it was always present.
With the CSL Elite fading is history. Even after excessive use for more than 10h of constantly racing FFB levels and feel always stayed the same. There was literally no noticeable higher temp to feel.
I don‘t have to make compromises turning the FFB down anymore. The wheels forces are often too much for me and i have to lower FFB after a few rounds.
The all new CSL Elite Pedal Set is a great build. The quality is pretty good and it is easy to calibrate, tweak and modify the pedals to your own taste.
I never had a better sim racing experience since i am using this wheel and am definitely never going back to the toyish Thrustmaster Wheels. And given the fact that 800€ ist massively overpriced there only can be one true recommendation to buy and that is the Fanatec CSL Elite Wheel.
Try it out and see for your self...

I agree with you! But if you take out the massive price (I got the wheel for €600) and the pedals. I truly believe the base is better then the CSLE. The transducer does add to the immersion!

If the t3pa did come with a loadcell it would have been at least on par with the CSLE. I’m not for bashing other brand products. I almost bought the CSLE. But the chance came to buy it at 25% off. I bit the bullet. I’m still waiting for the Cpx adapter to come back in stock (can I buy yours?). Considering ps4 compatibity and not taking in count the large price difference. I think the T-GT and CSLE /CSWv3 pedals are the best combo out of the box for GTsport and ps4 in general at the time of this writing.

The wheel size is a non issue. You have the sparco (33cm) and 599 (30cm) available for the thrustmaster. But fanatec has that sweet formula rim.

On its own I rate the Dfb feature worth about € 100,- on its own in value for me. (Like CSLE LC brake at €150 adds value) So in my own opinion I paid 500 for bundle and 100 for the extra feature. Which is reasonable and I hope you anti thrustmaster members can agree on.

If the retail price was 600 to begin with, thrustmaster would be really contending with the CSLE! But at 800 there is no competition. And I would have gone for the CSLE not for the discount and my not so good experience with Fanatec support.

Edit: in my own research at the time I found an interesting document from guillemot and posted (potential) upcoming products in my thread: https://www.gtplanet.net/multiple-upcoming-thrustmaster-products-discovered-via-pricing-list/

Multiple products are listed that could rival FANATEC products. TSSH sequential & handbrake SPARCO, Ferrari 488 challenge wheel rim, Ferrari 250 GTO wheel rim, Bluetooth LED SLI display etc.

It does also list a TRS official loadcell brake mod. Which has been in development limbo since 2013. Will it be released finally? Maybe a new design?

These products swayed me to enter the thrustmaster ecosystem in stead of the fanatec system. Thrustmaster is going Allin in the simulator market concentrating on flying, space, and driving etc. the latest signal is their partnership with Sparco. (Alongside Ferrari)

 

[PocketZeven]

I have a TGT and sent an email requesting load cell info. Its been almost a week. Nothing.

I emailed 2 weeks ago and they responded that they are not aware of such a product. But you can count on it their sales support are not aware of upcoming products or not allowed to talk about unreleased products.

 

[Chipmonk77]

I agree with you! But if you take out the massive price (I got the wheel for €600) and the pedals. I truly believe the base is better then the CSLE. The transducer does add to the immersion!

If the t3pa did come with a loadcell it would have been at least on par with the CSLE. I’m not for bashing other brand products. I almost bought the CSLE. But the chance came to buy it at 25% off. I bit the bullet. I’m still waiting for the Cpx adapter to come back in stock (can I buy yours?). Considering ps4 compatibity and not taking in count the large price difference. I think the T-GT and CSLE /CSWv3 pedals are the best combo out of the box for GTsport and ps4 in general at the time of this writing.

The wheel size is a non issue. You have the sparco (33cm) and 599 (30cm) available for the thrustmaster. But fanatec has that sweet formula rim.

On its own I rate the Dfb feature worth about € 100,- on its own in value for me. (Like CSLE LC brake at €150 adds value) So in my own opinion I paid 500 for bundle and 100 for the extra feature. Which is reasonable and I hope you anti thrustmaster members can agree on.

If the retail price was 600 to begin with, thrustmaster would be really contending with the CSLE! But at 800 there is no competition. And I would have gone for the CSLE not for the discount and my not so good experience with Fanatec support.

The T-GT priced about 600€ is ok when your focus is playing GT Sport on PS4(only there the transducer effect makes sense. There the transducer can make a difference and add a bit more immersion. Personally i didn‘t like the effects coming from the transducer, it felt kind of over the top, amplified to the taste of massive rumbling effects.Generally i prefer a decent FFB with no canned or amplified effects but that is fo another topic

Btw i am not bashing Thrustmaster, i used their stuff for some years now. And you are right about the upgrades like Wheel Add-On and shifter, etc. But in my opinion the bigger rim should have been included. You have to keep in mind that the FFB feels a bit weaker when the diameter rises - and i believe the T-GT would suffer from this...
Clearly i can NOT say this for sure cause i didn‘t get to test that specifically... but i think i can name and sort my feelings i had when testing T-GT.
Again, you paid 600€ - that is a far better price and closer to the real value i think. But as you already stated there is still some potential brake-wise. If you combine T-GT base with LC-pedals like CSL/CSWv3 you hVe a great combo, i am on your side with this.
Problem is you need to use CPX, cause Thrustmaster has no compatible peripherals available in their line of range.
Sorry, i sold my old Fanatec pedals and CPX-Adapter last week. Because there is literally no CPX on the market it sold for 237€ on Ebay...
But i don‘t think you‘re gonna get stuck with the T3PA pedals for a long time. Thrustmaster has its own LoadCell-Kit in the pipeline and hopefully it will become available soon. With the announcement of the Sparco collaboration there were rumors it would be priced same as the new Sparco Wheel (200€).
And if you add this to the list price of T-GT you end up paying 1000-1200€ (if you also want the bigger rim). And with a new wheel you loose lots of GT-Sports-only functions like the rotary encoders...

By selling my old stuff i only had to invest 200€ to get a great piece of engineering an i am very happy with it.

That is all i wanted to share with you guys... everybody has to decide for himself how much you want to spend for your racing gear...

 

[VFOURMAX1]

It is very nice to see this conversation to finally go in the direction it should have been in from the start in that owners of the different gear discussing the good points weaker points and even how pricing affects the values of the different brands and products as to affecting value rather than have someone that thinks they are apparently within their own mind the worlds foremost authority on the subject to put forth his opinion as being the only option a consumer should follow because he knows it all.

Sounds like the consensus is currently that for PS4 and GTS the current best combo would be using the TM wheel for in game functionality and Fanatec pedals as they with their load cell technology is the superior pedal set currently available with the problem being that an adapter to combine the two is required and not currently available.

As consumers it would be awesome to see Fanatec and PD be able to work out some deal so that their wheel base could be optimized within game but that may or not be possible by the companies involved due to legal contracts and agreements in place between PD and TM.

It also appears that it seems to be that there is an overall agreement that the TM product at full price is not possibly really a product that should command that pricing level and is overpriced for what you receive but drop the price 2-300 U.S. dollars that then the TM product would be considered a good value for the funds spent.

The TM product with an improvement in their product line to include a load cell braking feature into their product could then be considered at one the very top in options for GTS and a better value possibly even at their full current pricing levels.

Does that seem to be about right?

 

[Twstcrv]

I emailed 2 weeks ago and they responded that they are not aware of such a product. But you can count on it their sales support are not aware of upcoming products or not allowed to talk about unreleased products.

I’ve seen some pretty old (like 3 yrs) posts about this being “just around the corner”! Lol!

 

[Chipmonk77]

This is the latest info on Fanatec‘s Community Forum postet by Fanatec CEO:

„GT Sports works well in compatibility mode so please go ahead and enjoy this game. No need to wait for anything. They [ PD ] are working on the implementation of advanced features which are not needed to play the game but will add to the experience. Kazunori Yamauchi himself assured me that this implementation will happen within this year.“

Seems to me everything is going in the right direction with Sony/PD/Fanatec...

 

[omar awan]

Both are good wheels .... I really enjoy roads cars in gt sport driving on the tgt.
Was hesitant on stay on PS4 but gt sport is changed my mind. Amazing game

 

[Tompie913]

I see a lot of concern here for the CSL Elite’s GT Sport compatibility, and I have to say I’ve found it to be completely satisfactory.

Now admittedly with stock settings, it was too heavy and jerked ever so slightly in a straight line. Heaviness was easily addressed by adjusting the wheel’s force feedback strength. The jerkiness has been around for ages with Fanatec wheels in GT because they emulate Logitech G27/29, which has a natural deadzone that the Fanatecs don’t. So at that point I did have a minor complaint that the wheel would jerk ever so slightly on straights - even then it really wasn’t serious.

But then, I found the ridiculously well hidden force feedback settings in GT Sport and everything was wonderful. I put sensitivity at 1 and torque at 9 and now I have no complaints at all. The rev indicators have always worked and the buttons can actually be remapped by changing the mappings for the G29, allowing you to even use the game’s multifunction display.

So I urge anyone who is worried about the CSL Elite’s compatibility with GT Sport: don’t be.

Now as for the T-GT, everything I’ve read or heard says that it’s a fine wheel but dramatically overpriced. The pedals in particular are pitiful for an $800 package, when you can get the superior CSL pedals with the CSL wheel for $500 or with a load cell brake for $620. The T3PA are the exact same pedals you get with the T300 GT Edition for under $400 and are about the same quality as what you get for $300 with the G29.

So to me, there’s no competition. If they were the same price then maybe it could go either way, but considering that the T-GT is $300 more, I think you’d have to be mad to buy it over the Fanatec.

 

[PocketZeven]

This is the latest info on Fanatec‘s Community Forum postet by Fanatec CEO:

„GT Sports works well in compatibility mode so please go ahead and enjoy this game. No need to wait for anything. They [ PD ] are working on the implementation of advanced features which are not needed to play the game but will add to the experience. Kazunori Yamauchi himself assured me that this implementation will happen within this year.“

Seems to me everything is going in the right direction with Sony/PD/Fanatec...

True but the csle has been out quite some time. They should have had support at release. But kudos for managing to get support through a work around, instead of leaving csle owners in the dark

 

[PocketZeven]

It is very nice to see this conversation to finally go in the direction it should have been in from the start in that owners of the different gear discussing the good points weaker points and even how pricing affects the values of the different brands and products as to affecting value rather than have someone that thinks they are apparently within their own mind the worlds foremost authority on the subject to put forth his opinion as being the only option a consumer should follow because he knows it all.

Sounds like the consensus is currently that for PS4 and GTS the current best combo would be using the TM wheel for in game functionality and Fanatec pedals as they with their load cell technology is the superior pedal set currently available with the problem being that an adapter to combine the two is required and not currently available.

As consumers it would be awesome to see Fanatec and PD be able to work out some deal so that their wheel base could be optimized within game but that may or not be possible by the companies involved due to legal contracts and agreements in place between PD and TM.

It also appears that it seems to be that there is an overall agreement that the TM product at full price is not possibly really a product that should command that pricing level and is overpriced for what you receive but drop the price 2-300 U.S. dollars that then the TM product would be considered a good value for the funds spent.

The TM product with an improvement in their product line to include a load cell braking feature into their product could then be considered at one the very top in options for GTS and a better value possibly even at their full current pricing levels.

Does that seem to be about right?

Yep! Both are great wheels not considering price. One has loadcell option the other has a transducer. The notchiness is not an issue in smoothness at all in my opinion. You only feel it when you are idle. And only when you are looking for it!

 

[NiZM069]

I see a lot of concern here for the CSL Elite’s GT Sport compatibility, and I have to say I’ve found it to be completely satisfactory.

Now admittedly with stock settings, it was too heavy and jerked ever so slightly in a straight line. Heaviness was easily addressed by adjusting the wheel’s force feedback strength. The jerkiness has been around for ages with Fanatec wheels in GT because they emulate Logitech G27/29, which has a natural deadzone that the Fanatecs don’t. So at that point I did have a minor complaint that the wheel would jerk ever so slightly on straights - even then it really wasn’t serious.

But then, I found the ridiculously well hidden force feedback settings in GT Sport and everything was wonderful. I put sensitivity at 1 and torque at 9 and now I have no complaints at all. The rev indicators have always worked and the buttons can actually be remapped by changing the mappings for the G29, allowing you to even use the game’s multifunction display.

So I urge anyone who is worried about the CSL Elite’s compatibility with GT Sport: don’t be.

Now as for the T-GT, everything I’ve read or heard says that it’s a fine wheel but dramatically overpriced. The pedals in particular are pitiful for an $800 package, when you can get the superior CSL pedals with the CSL wheel for $500 or with a load cell brake for $620. The T3PA are the exact same pedals you get with the T300 GT Edition for under $400 and are about the same quality as what you get for $300 with the G29.

So to me, there’s no competition. If they were the same price then maybe it could go either way, but considering that the T-GT is $300 more, I think you’d have to be mad to buy it over the Fanatec.

Does the Sens 1 and torque 9 settings for the CSLE eliminate the oscillation in a straight line?
Do you mind sharing your wheel settings too?

 

[Tompie913]

Does the Sens 1 and torque 9 settings for the CSLE eliminate the oscillation in a straight line?
Do you mind sharing your wheel settings too?

Yes, I haven’t noticed any since. The relevant setting for that is actually just sensitivity. I only adjusted torque because Fanatec recommends adjusting the strength on the game rather than the wheel.

Here are my wheel settings, which are almost stock. Though note I just discovered the GT FF settings last night and am still fine tuning.

Sen: Aut
FF: 100
Sho: 100
ABS: 100
Dri: -03
For: 100
Spr: 100
Dpr: 100
Fei: 050

 

[Chipmonk77]

Does the Sens 1 and torque 9 settings for the CSLE eliminate the oscillation in a straight line?
Do you mind sharing your wheel settings too?

For now CSL Elite is not fully supported by GT Sport and we all must use the purple compatibility mode that emulates the G29 as this wheel is already implemented in game.
There are still some flaws that come with this workaround and most annoying is the wheel producing spring force around the neutral center where normally there is none. This can make the wheel oscillating when driving straight and you always feel force pulling the wheel to center position.
Fanatec wheels with console games should usually be controlled through the game settings meaning FFB on the Wheel stays 100% whereas in-game the FFB should be adjusted to your personal taste.
With GT Sports that isn‘t gonna work well because of the wrong FFB signal the game produces right now.
Can you eliminate the oscillation? Not really, you only can try to manage the forces causing this and add damping force to fight the wheel tending to oscillate.
Because of that problem you should not use torque >5 in the games FFB settings. This slider is not working in the same way you normally expect meaning this is NO FFB GAIN slider. You don‘t just raise the overall FFB, you are even raising the signals that are wrongfully handled due to the driver problem.
This may have to do with the G29 behaving different at center position and deadzone...
Anyway set the torque to 5 and the sensitivity to 1. This reduces damping forces around center giving the wheel a stronger or looser feeling. It is better to manage all of this throughout Fanatec‘s Tuning Menu.

Here are my settings so far:

GT Sport FFB set to 5 and 1

Sen: AUT
FF: 100
Sho: OFF (You need another rim and pedal set to feel this shock effect)
ABS: OFF (Same...)
Dri: -05 (going higher towards 0 reduces the motor‘s internal damping force > contraproductive)
For: 100 (You can raise this to 120 if you like but this affects Fei effect and amplifies the rumble noise)
Spr: 100 (right now i am experimenting with Spr set to OFF)
Dpr: 100 (right now i am experimenting with Dpr set to OFF/50)
Brf: 80 (this is only for CSL Elite LoadCell pedals. I am using 5 Shore 85 dampers)
Fei: 100 (the softening damper to reduce rattling noises is OFF. Lower to 80/70 if too loud)

Hope this information can be useful while waiting for PD solving the driver problems...

 

[Twstcrv]

For now CSL Elite is not fully supported by GT Sport and we all must use the purple compatibility mode that emulates the G29 as this wheel is already implemented in game.
There are still some flaws that come with this workaround and most annoying is the wheel producing spring force around the neutral center where normally there is none. This can make the wheel oscillating when driving straight and you always feel force pulling the wheel to center position.
Fanatec wheels with console games should usually be controlled through the game settings meaning FFB on the Wheel stays 100% whereas in-game the FFB should be adjusted to your personal taste.
With GT Sports that isn‘t gonna work well because of the wrong FFB signal the game produces right now.
Can you eliminate the oscillation? Not really, you only can try to manage the forces causing this and add damping force to fight the wheel tending to oscillate.
Because of that problem you should not use torque >5 in the games FFB settings. This slider is not working in the same way you normally expect meaning this is NO FFB GAIN slider. You don‘t just raise the overall FFB, you are even raising the signals that are wrongfully handled due to the driver problem.
This may have to do with the G29 behaving different at center position and deadzone...
Anyway set the torque to 5 and the sensitivity to 1. This reduces damping forces around center giving the wheel a stronger or looser feeling. It is better to manage all of this throughout Fanatec‘s Tuning Menu.

Here are my settings so far:

GT Sport FFB set to 5 and 1

Sen: AUT
FF: 100
Sho: OFF (You need another rim and pedal set to feel this shock effect)
ABS: OFF (Same...)
Dri: -05 (going higher towards 0 reduces the motor‘s internal damping force > contraproductive)
For: 100 (You can raise this to 120 if you like but this affects Fei effect and amplifies the rumble noise)
Spr: 100 (right now i am experimenting with Spr set to OFF)
Dpr: 100 (right now i am experimenting with Dpr set to OFF/50)
Brf: 80 (this is only for CSL Elite LoadCell pedals. I am using 5 Shore 85 dampers)
Fei: 100 (the softening damper to reduce rattling noises is OFF. Lower to 80/70 if too loud)

Hope this information can be useful while waiting for PD solving the driver problems...

I dont know why anyone wants to wrestle with a wheel anyway. Real cars stopped being that hard to steer 50 years ago. And its just exhasting anyway, not fun.

 

[Tompie913]

For now CSL Elite is not fully supported by GT Sport and we all must use the purple compatibility mode that emulates the G29 as this wheel is already implemented in game.
There are still some flaws that come with this workaround and most annoying is the wheel producing spring force around the neutral center where normally there is none. This can make the wheel oscillating when driving straight and you always feel force pulling the wheel to center position.
Fanatec wheels with console games should usually be controlled through the game settings meaning FFB on the Wheel stays 100% whereas in-game the FFB should be adjusted to your personal taste.
With GT Sports that isn‘t gonna work well because of the wrong FFB signal the game produces right now.
Can you eliminate the oscillation? Not really, you only can try to manage the forces causing this and add damping force to fight the wheel tending to oscillate.
Because of that problem you should not use torque >5 in the games FFB settings. This slider is not working in the same way you normally expect meaning this is NO FFB GAIN slider. You don‘t just raise the overall FFB, you are even raising the signals that are wrongfully handled due to the driver problem.
This may have to do with the G29 behaving different at center position and deadzone...
Anyway set the torque to 5 and the sensitivity to 1. This reduces damping forces around center giving the wheel a stronger or looser feeling. It is better to manage all of this throughout Fanatec‘s Tuning Menu.

Here are my settings so far:

GT Sport FFB set to 5 and 1

Sen: AUT
FF: 100
Sho: OFF (You need another rim and pedal set to feel this shock effect)
ABS: OFF (Same...)
Dri: -05 (going higher towards 0 reduces the motor‘s internal damping force > contraproductive)
For: 100 (You can raise this to 120 if you like but this affects Fei effect and amplifies the rumble noise)
Spr: 100 (right now i am experimenting with Spr set to OFF)
Dpr: 100 (right now i am experimenting with Dpr set to OFF/50)
Brf: 80 (this is only for CSL Elite LoadCell pedals. I am using 5 Shore 85 dampers)
Fei: 100 (the softening damper to reduce rattling noises is OFF. Lower to 80/70 if too loud)

Hope this information can be useful while waiting for PD solving the driver problems...

Interesting. Your findings are mostly the same as I've found except that I felt that I was able to eliminate the oscillation. Looking at your settings, I think that FEI may be the culprit. I've settled on 40 for that setting, the default I believe is 50 and even going from 50 to 40 made it noticeably smoother for me.

However, you did inspire me to do some further testing, so I did the ultimate test of straight-line stability: the 2000HP SRT VGT on Tokyo East Loop. And actually, the oscillation did become so bad as to become undrivable - at 250-300mph. I tested again with Gr1 cars and again the oscillation appeared at 180mph+. So I actually haven't managed to fix the oscillation at extreme speeds, but I still haven't noticed it at "normal" speeds under 180mph. Not a problem for most normal usage, but still potentially problematic in lobby races. So I take back some of what I said - it doesn't work perfectly, though this won't be a problem in any foreseeable Sport mode races.

In old Fanatec wheels like the 911 series, there was a deadzone setting that solved this. They really need to add that in the next firmware update.

 

[Dogwolf77]

I,m curious if GTS supports a clutch pedal and if so, would there be any advantage or a disadvantage to having one? I need a new set of pedals for a T150. Looking at a T3pA pro set and inverting.
Thoughts?

 

[Rangeraus]

I thought I would revive this thread as a few things have happened since this thread was started:

- CSL Elite PS4 is now fully supported by GT Sport
- All GT Finals and World Tour events now mandate the use of the T-GT

Not sure if anyone's opinions on these have changed, but I would be interested to hear about any other comparisons or experiences with both of these wheels, as I am considering upgrading from my current setup.

 

[Sander 001]

I’m under the impression that the TGT is better for GT Sport. True/false?

 

[Snaeper]

Im also interested in this comparison. I have a G27 collecting dust and am fed up with the DS4. Considering getting a Playseat and either of these.

I like the optimization of the TGT and currently have no other interest in other sims/games even if they are better. But the future holds all possibilities and the Fanatec seems to be the better made product but doesnt appear to be seamlessly integrated into GT Sport?

I'd want the Loadcell if I got the Fanatec, so the TGT is the cheaper option. I'm not opposed to getting a Logitech G29 either but feel like it'd be better to just adapt my G27 at that point.

 

[Georgeagea]

I’m under the impression that the TGT is better for GT Sport. True/false?

Well it's made for GTS, so it's definitely better for GTS.
For anything else, the CSL is better.
(I own a G29 but I've watched/read too many reviews about both so I think I'm able to answer you).