Tiff Needell tests gt4 on 5th gear

[EGFerio]

I also do lapping event in Ontario at Shannonville & Mospot. Just for self enjoyment. Game and Real driving is different. Feeling the back end sliding is somthing that you can't get at home. I think that people who enjoys GT should really try autocross or lapping event at least 2 to 3 times a year just to get the sensation.

 

[STINGER05]

I can assure you that racing in real demands more of you than racing a game. I love GT4, dont get me wrong. But go and try to race a Go-kart for 20, 30 minutes and you will see how much more it takes of your body. I owned a race kart for a few years, and i can not tell you the muscle ache I had (hands, forearms, neck and back mainly) I had following the races ...Tiff is a great bloke, and one of the top drifters as a matter of fact , and I'm sure he would be a rather good GT4 racer with a bit of practice!

Also, in one of the magazines here in the US, they had 2 weeks ago a comparison between a race driver (NASCAR) and a pro (though playing FORZA). The NASCAR smoked the pro player on the real track (as expected), but he also beat him on the same track in the game after a very short while familiarizing himself with the buttons, etc. Apparently he was very quick to adapt to the new challenge!

BUT, there's another, IMHO interesting fact: A friend of mine who is a Navy pilot said that the young to-be-pilots of today are much better in the flight simulator / instrumental only flights than those 1o-15 years ago. And the instructors noticed a high correlation among those student pilots between their gaming experience and their simulator results...

So, keep on gaming, it prepares you for the real thing, but doesnt replace it!

 

[tm2003]

I agree it takes so much strength and endurance to actually drive the races. The average couch racer wouldn't be able to handle a real race... and theres people that say Race car drivers aren't athletes...

yeah, info On The Nike Prototype Car, kind Of outlines it, Its A Car For Athletes, Not really a decent comparrison but you get my drift, ,

Also About the CLK, what kind of league would you find, a CLK touring car & A Cosworth, I Dont Belive you for a second Mate,

 

[vtec_guy]

I'm not too sure myself to be honest. May have been a CL. I'm not rly too sure about my mercs but i'll try and find out coz thinking about it that does sound pretty ridiculous. my uncle races in the track and car magazine south eastern saloon class. in the finals he was pitted against an Audi A4 touring car and the latest escort WRC Cosworth. He came fourth behind those two and a Chevy Nova that was entered by a french driver who had travelled over for the week along with a couple of other french ford capri drivers

 

[vtec_guy]

Here we go I've found some coverage on the race with photos.
here's my uncles escort mark one. His name is Ray Barrow btw (he says it has an evo 1 bonet scoop lol)

and here's the clk that he beat (on the same corner as the above photo I believe

Satisfied TM2003?
You can find some of the other cars that he races here:
http://www.redshoes-archive.com/Miscellaneous/SE_Saloons/

My uncle's Cosworth is my favourite looking non pro racing car. He made the wide arch kits, the strut brace and chassis himself along with a bunch of other parts. It's always really exciting watching the standing starts because due to his previous drag racing experience he flys off ahead of everyone before the first turn but then gets outpaced by most of the higher powered. The first time it was a Caterham that won.

 

[boost654]

funny, yet stupid

Thats women drivers for ya.

 

[Mark T]

I wouldn't class that Mercedes as a touring car. That's why some people were astounded to hear a Cosworth beat a Mercedes CLK Touring car.

That race also comes under BARC SE Saloon & Sportscar Series

 

[DRT2RM]

Anyone know if this episode will be shown or has been shown in the States? If so, what's the time and date I can catch it? Checked SpeedTV.com but no real info on each of the episodes ...

 

[boost654]

*gloat mode on* My isp upgraded my 512 line to 2megs this week at no extra cost. I just finished downloading the episode. It took lees than half an hour!!
*gloat mode off*

Off to watch it now.

 

[tm2003]

cant Class them As Touring cars TBH, but thats a sweet cosworth , kudos from me, thats tough competition,

soz 4 the stick,

 

[vladimir]

the real clk touring car is this one:
http://www.autogazeta.com/c/8/b/clkdtm_3.jpg

its quite some steps above the clk silhouette racer.

 

[vtec_guy]

Thats women drivers for ya.

^ It doesnt take a genius to work out that i'm not a woman hence the GUY in vtec_guy. Grow up.

NP TM2003 tbh I can understand why it would be hard to beleive. It's mainly my faoult for mistaking it for a touring car.

That race also comes under BARC SE Saloon & Sportscar Series

it's run by the BARC but is sponsored by 'track and race cars magazine' but yeah thats the name acording to the BARC.

 

[robtheace]

i'd just like to clear something up here.

Correct me if im wrong (i will check friday's show) but Tiff stated the game creator had driven on every single track featured in the game.

I dont think he said he drove every car, however most of the cars in the game make the sounds of thier real couterparts. i.e they are real sounds, recorded from the real cars.

It would have been odd to make a sound for a car with no engine tho.

 

[Kolyana]

Thats women drivers for ya.

WHOAH WHOAH WHOAHAHHHH!!

Someone HAD to go there!

 

[vtec_guy]

I dont see how respecting a race driver that is a lot lot better than me makes me a woman driver. You're unquestionably a pile of crap at driving in comparison to Tiff so you're not really one to critisize.

 

[amp88]

"There are 745 different cars to choose from in the latest game, and Kazunori has driven all of them in real life"

Exact quote. Of course it's untrue, but then, when have you ever known TV to get things right.

Also spot that Tiff was less than 2 seconds behind Kaz at the end (and that includes him meandering along towards the finish line at 64mph), so he's not that far behind...

 

[Dave A]

cant Class them As Touring cars TBH, but thats a sweet cosworth , kudos from me, thats tough competition,

soz 4 the stick,

By definition of what a touring car is, thoes are touring cars. People just assumed that when he said CLK touring car, he meant the one that races in the DTM series, theres a broad spectrum of touring car cups and regulations and they vary from 100Bhp runabouts with a roll cage to 500Bhp+ monsters like the R500

 

[Dave A]

i'd just like to clear something up here.

Correct me if im wrong (i will check friday's show) but Tiff stated the game creator had driven on every single track featured in the game.

I dont think he said he drove every car, however most of the cars in the game make the sounds of thier real couterparts. i.e they are real sounds, recorded from the real cars.

It would have been odd to make a sound for a car with no engine tho.

They said he'd driven all of them, which is impossible, theres concept cars in GT4 whoes only engine performance is on paper, there cars in GT4 that don't even exist, I'd love to see Kaz driving thoes irl . It was a big overstatment, what wouldbe closer to the truth would be saying Kaz drove most of the road cars, and some of the race cars. I can tell you this, he never got his hands on the TVR Speed 12.

 

[vtec_guy]

He probably did get his hands on the speed twelve as it was at the car show where they launched the game. And to be honest Tiff did a lot better than I expected after what everyone has said on here. He crashed once on his first proper race and he managed to drift the M3 pretty damn well for a first try. He said that the Mulsanne Straight seemed a lot faster than it does in real life but it helps because it emphasises how concentrated you need to be at those kind of speeds. That's got to be one of the best fifth gear episodes i've seen along with the one when they raced the honda f1 car against the bike and boat. From what i've read on their website this series sounds pretty promising. Apparently Vicki gets hit by a car in a James Bond stunt test.

 

[route_66]

Just out of intrest I noticed that Tiff did 1'42.99 in the show and Kaz only beat him by 1.8 ish secs. Are people on this board considerably faster round fuji 90's in those two Supras or were those good times? I'd go and have a go myself but the missus is coming over in a minute so it'll have to wait. Be nice to know I was faster than Tiff (much respect, top driver) and/or Kaz (much respect, top game)

 

[Gabkicks]

should Kaz be embarrased for winning by such a small gap? or did he slow down to give Tiff hope? SOmetimes i drift if i'm racing someone or the AI and the lead is big.

 

[Old Man]

"But the chances are that the best GT driver in the world is far more talented than Michael Schumacher...."

If by GT racing you mean sports car racing--i.e., the racing of the likes of the Minolta, R8, Bentley, etc.--I beg to differ. In the many years I have been a fan of auto racing, F1 drivers, even some of the also rans, let alone the likes of Schumacher, consistently proved themselves to be excellent GT drivers also. In fact, many world champions have gone on to distinguish themselves in GT racing after retiring from F1. One example is German driver Hans-Jochaim Stuck. He never really distinguished himself in F1, but is among the most accomplished GT drivers. I was at Sebring in the 80s when he arrived from Germany, got in a Porsche 935, and set a course record to put the car on the pole, and the last time he had driven Sebring was something like 10 years before. Amazing!

 

[vtec_guy]

Actually I think Tiff could beat a lot of us here on gtplanet. He lost to the creator by less than 2 seconds and has driven in quite a lot of the cars in real life on quite a lot of the tracks too from Fuji to Lemans. I dont think anyone could really critisize Tiff as he could probably beat all but a couple of the people on here if not all of us. Losing by less than 2 seconds to the creator sounds pretty impressive to me.

 

[A5H]

But the chances are that the best GT driver in the world is far more talented than Michael Schumacher....

If by GT racing you mean sports car racing--i.e., the racing of the likes of the Minolta, R8, Bentley, etc.--I beg to differ. In the many years I have been a fan of auto racing, F1 drivers, even some of the also rans, let alone the likes of Schumacher, consistently proved themselves to be excellent GT drivers also. In fact, many world champions have gone on to distinguish themselves in GT racing after retiring from F1. One example is German driver Hans-Jochaim Stuck. He never really distinguished himself in F1, but is among the most accomplished GT drivers. I was at Sebring in the 80s when he arrived from Germany, got in a Porsche 935, and set a course record to put the car on the pole, and the last time he had driven Sebring was something like 10 years before. Amazing!

I think GT was meaning like porsche 911s etc...
Which would make more sense to me... I think its easier to drive a high downforce F1 car than a skittish TVR or something...
Just my 2 pence...

 

[gsavill90]

Is the games creator a professional driver or atleast a well known accomplished driver? If not it doesn't make sense a driver being beaten by a GAMER in a driving sim.

It said on the program that the creater had personally driven al of the cars on GT4.

 

[vtec_guy]

I think i like Tiff Needell more than Jeremy Clarkson now. Since Tiff seems liek a nicer person and has a racing pedigree.

...my 2 cent$

 

[Famine]

Just out of intrest I noticed that Tiff did 1'42.99 in the show and Kaz only beat him by 1.8 ish secs. Are people on this board considerably faster round fuji 90's in those two Supras or were those good times? I'd go and have a go myself but the missus is coming over in a minute so it'll have to wait. Be nice to know I was faster than Tiff (much respect, top driver) and/or Kaz (much respect, top game)

I have no clue what settings they used, but I just hopped into the Arcade mode Castrol Supra, made no Quick Tune adjustments, ran with TCS on but ASM off and on racing hard tyres.

I did two fast laps only. The second was a 1'26.652, on Fuji 90's.


Edit: I just checked into the fastest laps in the real JGTC. Assuming the 90s circuit was used in 1998, the fastest lap was set by an NSX in round 4 - 1'28.219. So, I guess Kaz wasn't trying.

 

[Gabkicks]

yeah.. i think tcs an asm slow me down a lot. if i turn them off my laptimes are way way faster. but so is tire wear.



also.. i think the limits for most cars are easy to stay at. especially if your using race or sports tires. So 2 seconds seems like a big gap for racing against another human.

 

[Rb26dett_240sx]

But the chances are that the best GT driver in the world is far more talented than Michael Schumacher....

If by GT racing you mean sports car racing--i.e., the racing of the likes of the Minolta, R8, Bentley, etc.--I beg to differ. In the many years I have been a fan of auto racing, F1 drivers, even some of the also rans, let alone the likes of Schumacher, consistently proved themselves to be excellent GT drivers also. In fact, many world champions have gone on to distinguish themselves in GT racing after retiring from F1. One example is German driver Hans-Jochaim Stuck. He never really distinguished himself in F1, but is among the most accomplished GT drivers. I was at Sebring in the 80s when he arrived from Germany, got in a Porsche 935, and set a course record to put the car on the pole, and the last time he had driven Sebring was something like 10 years before. Amazing!

Don't forget Jean Alesi
Most F1 drivers have only 1 problem adapting to GT cars and that is the fact that in F! cars its mostley how far the driver can push the car where as in GT cars the speed at which you run is more determend by the car.

Also for the guy that said u ahve to have a rich family to get into auto racing not true. there are club racers for maita's and 2nd gen Rx7. That cost around 10k or less I mean if you want to go big time racing yes u need alot of money but just get into club racing nope. And you can't say its not competative, i've seen club rx7 guys go 5 wide into a turn b4. On the club racer level most ppl are trying to get noticed so they are likley to take more risks.

 

[zeus_m3]

I'm talking about natural ability though, apart from a few exceptions, like Jacques Villeneuve, Damon Hill and Mark Blundell just about all Formula 1 drivers started out karting before they were 10 or at least before their teens.

I'd guess there are are probably less than a thousand 5-15 year old racing karts in the UK, how many 5-15 year olds do you think there are in the UK regularly playing Gran Turismo?

Ok there are other factors involved in being a racing driver but statistically there will be people out there playing Gran Turismo that are the right build, have the right temperament and whatever, but were never given the opportunities to get into motorsport at a young age, that if they had would beat the pants off Michael Schumacher.

Well, I major in statistics and I think your arguement is valid, but one can say that for every kind of sport in the world. Theoretically, most of the gold medals in the olympics should be won by Indian and Chinese athletes given that kids in India and China can access to the training facilities and not worrying about starvation, but that does not mean that the olympics is unfair or something.

Saying that the best game players may have more talent than Schumacher is like saying some kid's IQ is higher than say George Bush or Bill Gates, so what? Talent does not equal success. If one thinks he is talented, get real and prove it by trying to be the karting champion of your town. Don't waste it on a game which will never reward you the same way real life will, even if you can be the world champion of GT. Plus most gamers are not serious about competing and getting all golds from the S liscense, so the population that the best gamer is competing against is not all gamers, but a handful of the "pro"s. And trust me that the difference between GT4 and real life is very very big coz I track my m3 10 times a year. Try imagine playing CS and shooting a real gun.