Time Trial Discussion

[Jeje6410]

Whoop whoop, you are getting faster and faster , almost 2 running timetrials below 1.0% not to shaaby at all
what kind of croissants are they feeding you there??? 😂 👽👽👽

Thanks a lot my friend Jomar...
I don't really know but they are very good...🤣🤣

 

[TheHun99]

Unsolicited questions:
I see that you are listed as a wheel user, what type of pedals?
Is the sliding understeer or oversteer?
Is the sliding on corner entry or exit?

These answers may help to find your issues.

Regards,
Ken

G29 wheels and pedals, completely unmodified Logitech goodness

Sliding is more understeer, corner entry - in this TT I noticed quite a lot of improvement when I took the last corner a bit easier with less throttle, thus didn't induce the understeer. I'm pretty sure I start turning while still too fast for some corners (true overall, not just this TT), for example the hairpin after the winding front straight before heading to the tunnel. I feel that I take the hairpin after the tunnel in a much better way.

I do encounter sliding and oversteer on corner exit because I'm just too eager getting on the throttle - and spin out, so that mistery is more or less solved Understeer what really bothers me - just thinking about the Big Willow TT, right after that stupid left loop on the top there's a left hander before heading to the last section, I get some "nice" understeer, as well.

I'm pretty sure I saved both replays, so I will take @KAlex122's suggestion (Vielen Dank!) and try to post them.

 

[imChris]

G29 wheels and pedals, completely unmodified Logitech goodness

Sliding is more understeer, corner entry - in this TT I noticed quite a lot of improvement when I took the last corner a bit easier with less throttle, thus didn't induce the understeer. I'm pretty sure I start turning while still too fast for some corners (true overall, not just this TT), for example the hairpin after the winding front straight before heading to the tunnel. I feel that I take the hairpin after the tunnel in a much better way.

I do encounter sliding and oversteer on corner exit because I'm just too eager getting on the throttle - and spin out, so that mistery is more or less solved Understeer what really bothers me - just thinking about the Big Willow TT, right after that stupid left loop on the top there's a left hander before heading to the last section, I get some "nice" understeer, as well.

I'm pretty sure I saved both replays, so I will take @KAlex122's suggestion (Vielen Dank!) and try to post them.

If you experience understeer on corner entry and oversteer on exit then you're probably giving too much steering input. This video explains that phenomena nicely:

 

[Gogga]

New test toaday in Deep Forest :
Improve my time at 1'48'310 with optimal time at 1'48'194 with :
S1 at 41'452
S2 at 34'690
S3 at 32'052
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Now you have just given me more work!

Well done mate 🔥🔥🔥🔥

 

[Wilsonson]

If you experience understeer on corner entry and oversteer on exit then you're probably giving too much steering input. This video explains that phenomena nicely:

Tidgney sometimes mentions this phenomenon in slightly simplified but pretty intuitive way: the tires can only do 100% total. 100% breaking (or accelerating) and any steering at the same time is close to impossible. 100% breaking and a lot of steering definitely is.

I also once heard Rory Alexander explain it with a literal string. He tied one end to his toe and the other to the bottom of his wheel. This made it physically impossible to turn the wheel when applying full breaking.

Of course this is simplified as well and the actual physics involved are much more complex than this but the gist of both of these examples is absolutely correct.

Edit: Suellio Almeida is a good instructor and is one of few content creators who goes in depth on such topics. Personally he is a bit too much of a sales guy trying to pitch his products but dude gotta eat I guess.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

It's called the grip circle

 

[TheHun99]

Thanks to @Wilsonson I have to go for gold now

I managed to shave down about .5 second (and forgot to save the replay...), went from 1:51.383 to 1:50.816:

This is all well and good but what really bothers me is my apparent optimal:

Optimal was 1:50.148, should be easy gold, provided I would be able to string the best sectors together. I haven't even noticed until now that my best lap so far doesn't even have any of the best sector times LOL. I even did a 42.035 first sector once, so my optimal is almost 1:50 flat... I'm scared a bit now with all this pressure

 

[KAlex122]

Thanks to @Wilsonson I have to go for gold now

I managed to shave down about .5 second (and forgot to save the replay...), went from 1:51.383 to 1:50.816:

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This is all well and good but what really bothers me is my apparent optimal:

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Optimal was 1:50.148, should be easy gold, provided I would be able to string the best sectors together. I haven't even noticed until now that my best lap so far doesn't even have any of the best sector times LOL. I even did a 42.035 first sector once, so my optimal is almost 1:50 flat... I'm scared a bit now with all this pressure

Guys! We have a new one!

 

[TheHun99]

Guys! We have a new one!

I'd say that the circumstances are ideal with this combo, lucky coincidence The only other combo I felt I could genuinely get gold (not like the Daytona oval one) was the 155 V6 Ti on Watkins Glen Short but didn't have the opportunity to go after it. I keep fighting for bronzes though

 

[Spec-ECU]

Thankfully I've been able to secure Gold for both of the current TTs despite not being able to log in the time I'm usually able to. Been pretty busy, but mostly the lot of my spare time has been allocated to watching all the 1st Round Playoff games in the NBA 🏀🤓. That's on top of all the motorsports I'm also following.

Must finally be Spring cause all the sportz are here! 😄

 

[TheHun99]

So, this would be the time to tell you to stop doing the DeLorean TT

My optimal would be now 1:49.9ish, managed to bring down the first sector pretty consistently to 41.8-42.2 but now I mess up the 2nd and 3rd sectors Never had any consistency but I think that having an actual simrig does help with its stability (confirmation bias maybe ).

 

[Dolph Drago]

Evening, y'all! The first TT laps since my surgery - over a month and a half ago. I am rusty! Regardless, it's nice to be back. My fast lap was a mess. But I think with some work, I can run a sub 48 before the TT ends next week. My optimal was a 48 flat. I am quite far down my friend leaderboard, though. You guys have taken off like rocket ships!

 

[crome]

Evening, y'all! The first TT laps since my surgery - over a month and a half ago. I am rusty! Regardless, it's nice to be back. My fast lap was a mess. But I think with some work, I can run a sub 48 before the TT ends next week. My optimal was a 48 flat. I am quite far down my friend leaderboard, though. You guys have taken off like rocket ships!

Great to see you‘re back, I hope all is well!

Casually entering top 500 on your first attempt does not look all that rusty to me tbh, I am sure you‘ll be back at the top in no time. 💪

In other news, @Gomario JSP: 😉

Over the course of a session there are stretches where I can absolutely dominate S1, or S2, or S3, but some strange law of nature prohibits me from nailing all three in a single lap. Unsurprisingly, my best lap has none of my best sectors, although S3 was close.

S1: 41.351
S2: 34.539
S3: 31.865

There‘s a theoretical optimum of well below 1:47.6 here. But yeah, big emphasis on „theroretical“. 😉

 

[NAXEHT]

That 16 eludes me. So painfully close. A .008 that I later improved to a .006... whyyyy?!

For some variation, a "direct capture" of the lap, courtesy of PS5's recording.

 

[DDK-Racing]

After a nearly 2 weeks absence (ski trip with the family and busy at work) I was able to put a banker lap at Willow in the Gr.4 & DeLorean at DFR.
Did a 10-lap stint at both to see what I could do...
Both safely in gold so tonight, if I have the time, I can try and focus to get my Alfa within the 2%-range.

Before my vacation I was able to put some 20 laps at Lake Louise, big fail, could not get out of bronze. Gave up and started loading the car to leave that night...
Found out yesterday my controller settings were still for the Daytona oval Not sure if it would have made a huge difference but realising I probably threw away silver at that one

 

[Jeje6410]

@Dolph Drago very happy to see your comeback !!!!! 🥳🥳

🤣🤣

 

[Barareklam]

That 16 eludes me. So painfully close. A .008 that I later improved to a .006... whyyyy?!

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For some variation, a "direct capture" of the lap, courtesy of PS5's recording.

Great lap, I am sure you are getting that 16 in no time.

Are you regularly in chase cam? Also chasing both ghosts at same time? Or it was just for this video?

 

[Gomario JSP]

Well what a surprise to see I have been cromyfied this morning by some german with a very colourfull Delorean ....☹️☹️🤣
Why would you start with a .755 instead of just a .790 or something?...ease up will ya 🤣

@crome Well done buddy, now don't go .6 on me tomorrow.....

That said.... had a little session of my own this morning but the miracle didn't happen though..... new PB but just as you not with my best sectors, very frustrating... lots of this kind of laps , a 47.876 with a S1 of 401.... fastest S1 was 219 this morning which could be a .6 already with a bad 3th sector though..
But it just doesn't stick together for some reason 🤣🤣

But faster overall and had alot of .8 laps

And fastest lap of the morning was a .772
So......your not save yet 🤣
I'm going to hammer this one IF the next one is less fun 🤣

Not fast enough but still not to Shabbbyyy

@Dolph Drago , what a joy to see your name on the board again, welcome back mate, and not a bad start! Let the miracle laps begin!