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This I am aware and some things are very clear by now. I am able to do gold in TT with some practice. I was simply asking what is the experience of people on Supra vs BMW M6 Sprint. If I have limited time to practice and cannot do both cars, which one will likely help progress better. That was my question

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So what is the problem other than just practice and refining things?

The way to improve against the ghost is more control fidelity, better use of the brakes and throttle, lining up exits better.

These are not things people can help you do better at this point, you just have to practice and do more learning. There is no shortcuts now.
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I regret not not writing a post last night around midnight EST that Gr.1 on Le Mans no chicane would be great, it seems that I sensed what PD would do :) For the next 2 weeks honoring the other 2 upcoming 24h races we could have maybe Gr.4 on the N24 layout (personally, I struggle with the 1973 winner, the CSL, to get a lap without leaving the track, no appetite for SP9 cars), and Gr.3 for Spa would be the most obvious choice. Of course, having my formative teenage years in the '90s, I'd love to have Supertouring cars for both N24 and Spa or the aforementioned CSL - alternatively the 155 for N24 maybe (gotta try that anyway).

Next step: setting some lap time at Le Mans. I will try for the fun of it with the 962, the C9, the 919 and the GR010. Bronze should be no issue but I'm fairly sure that keeping the silver streak will need some effort...
 
Lightpilgrim
This I am aware and some things are very clear by now. I am able to do gold in TT with some practice. I was simply asking what is the experience of people on Supra vs BMW M6 Sprint. If I have limited time to practice and cannot do both cars, which one will likely help progress better. That was my question
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It doesn’t matter?

Which car do you enjoy more? The leader board says Supra, RCF and M6 are all sharp end competitive.

You and I are not sharp end competitive, so drive the car you like. Neither are bad cars.

So to answer your question, time spent driving in either is probably worth more than worrying specifically about which car. Just learn one and learn another next time round.
 
newmedia_dev
It doesn’t matter?

Which car do you enjoy more? The leader board says Supra, RCF and M6 are all sharp end competitive.

You and I are not sharp end competitive, so drive the car you like. Neither are bad cars.

So to answer your question, time spent driving in either is probably worth more than worrying specifically about which car. Just learn one and learn another next time round.
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I kind of sort of agree about not being particular about the cars when choices are available, but I'd expound on it further.

If the user still has fundamentals to master, or maybe still working on adopting advanced driving techniques that are otherwise universal to any car, then the car itself may not matter....yet. Just go with what you're most comfortable with so the car becomes predictable to you, which should make it easy for you to push your envelope without having to figure out the car(s) simultaneously.

But if or when you've improved enough in your driving, you will get to a point that the car could matter, even if you're from from being in the sharp end of things.

I remember the Willow Springs TT not too long ago, when we had a number of cars to select from. I initially went with the NSX cause I just favor that car overall. But the fact is I went quicker in the Alfa Romeo for that TT as it was clearly the car of choice.
 
Another day, another gold.
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I find it funny how on my last post on the Alpine Gr.1 time trial, I said that the car would be better on Le Mans and then we end up getting a Le Mans Gr.1 time trial right after the Alpine one, kind of predicted the next time trial. But anyway first session on this clocking in with a 3:07.908 which is ok I guess but I can definitely lower that more, sub 3:07 might be possible but the fact that I am on controller feels like a big disadvantage and will make that goal a lot harder to achieve but it could be possible, I'll see how much I can lower this.

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I thought I'd also include this one as well as I did make some improvements here although this time was set 4 days ago and I haven't really been back to it since, but I managed to drop to a 1:55.196 which was pretty good at the time but I still do not think this will hold for top 100. This time could have been a .0 if I had gotten a better sector 1 and a slightly better exit out of the hairpin but overall was not a bad lap. I'm not sure if I will improve this one as I'll be busy with Gr.1 Le Mans but if I don't stay in top 100 till the end I'm not too bothered, this feels good enough for me.

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Another week, another struggle to get to silver... So, as I mentioned, I wanted to try the 962, the C9, the 919 and the GR010 and I did so, interesting dynamics from a slow driver's perspective. Best laps so far:
  • 962C: 3:18.487
  • C9: 3:18.215
  • 919: 3:20 something
  • GR010: 3:16.171 (optimal at 3:15.9)

From my perspective the 962C and the C9 are basically the same in terms of laptime, I'm pretty sure the difference is simply from having more practice before jumping into the C9. I think I can be faster in the Group C cars though. Definitely not faster than the GR010 but still. The LMP1 was an utter disappointment though. In corners and on braking it feels faster than the Group C cars but it lacks top speed, I topped out around 191 mph or so, while the 962/C9 went up to 205ish and the Hypercar up to 209 - this is a massive loss on the Mulsanne Straight even for bastards like me... Also, I haven't employed TC (or CSA), just ABS weak. The winner of most spins: GR010, somehow the other 3 cars were much nicer - or I was just simply more aggressive :)

This is only the first day, not giving up on my silver dreams just yet. For the fun of it I will probably try some other Group C cars and LMP1s but no matter what, improving well over a second (expecting that the WR will drop further) won't be easy. The only hope is that I managed to get that 1 second improvement in Catalunya on a much shorter lap.

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TheHun99
Another week, another struggle to get to silver... So, as I mentioned, I wanted to try the 962, the C9, the 919 and the GR010 and I did so, interesting dynamics from a slow driver's perspective. Best laps so far:
  • 962C: 3:18.487
  • C9: 3:18.215
  • 919: 3:20 something
  • GR010: 3:16.171 (optimal at 3:15.9)

From my perspective the 962C and the C9 are basically the same in terms of laptime, I'm pretty sure the difference is simply from having more practice before jumping into the C9. I think I can be faster in the Group C cars though. Definitely not faster than the GR010 but still. The LMP1 was an utter disappointment though. In corners and on braking it feels faster than the Group C cars but it lacks top speed, I topped out around 191 mph or so, while the 962/C9 went up to 205ish and the Hypercar up to 209 - this is a massive loss on the Mulsanne Straight even for bastards like me... Also, I haven't employed TC (or CSA), just ABS weak. The winner of most spins: GR010, somehow the other 3 cars were much nicer - or I was just simply more aggressive :)

This is only the first day, not giving up on my silver dreams just yet. For the fun of it I will probably try some other Group C cars and LMP1s but no matter what, improving well over a second (expecting that the WR will drop further) won't be easy. The only hope is that I managed to get that 1 second improvement in Catalunya on a much shorter lap.

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Hi, I would just like to give you a quick tip. I highly recommend that you stick to one car and not jump into different cars. Because this messes with your pace a lot and it's easier to improve if you just stick with one car. Gonna cut this short but the GR010 is the best car for this, as already shown on the leaderboards so just stick with that. As seen from your time, you are leaving a lot of time on the table, try to take a better line, work on smoother corner exits and try to push the car more.
 
I've cut back my GT7 time, so it's been a long time since I've posted. I must be a good 7 pages behind on this thread. :lol: I may or may not go through them at some point. I hope you've all been having fun TTing. :D

Anyway, I had my second session at Alsace tonight. That hill is a killer, and unfortunately I lost a good chunk of time navigating it on my fast lap. Oh well.
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Well I'm still sitting in gold at Alsace and I've got a solid grip on silver at Tokyo and Le Mans. I think gold might be do-able for me at Le Mans as well but not sure I have it in me to put in the effort lol. We'll see...
 
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CosmicMinster
Hi, I would just like to give you a quick tip. I highly recommend that you stick to one car and not jump into different cars. Because this messes with your pace a lot and it's easier to improve if you just stick with one car. Gonna cut this short but the GR010 is the best car for this, as already shown on the leaderboards so just stick with that. As seen from your time, you are leaving a lot of time on the table, try to take a better line, work on smoother corner exits and try to push the car more.
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Unfortunately, I do "need" to try different cars. I'm not through the main single player menus, as such Le Mans e.g. isn't available for me just yet, plus only have some of these Gr. 1 cars, so a rare opportunity to try them at Le Mans, especially without the chicanes. This also reminds me how inaccurate GT7 is. The C9 reached 400 km/h or 248 mph back in 1989, in the last year of the no chicane era, we're 42-43 mph shy of that :( Anyway, the Group C cars are for me a bit more exciting but I'm also getting dangerously close to being 50, so I like to look back into the past :)

Obviously, these excursions will be short and sweet as clearly the GR010 is the car to go with. I know I will struggle but won't give up the silver easily.
 
TheHun99
Unfortunately, I do "need" to try different cars. I'm not through the main single player menus, as such Le Mans e.g. isn't available for me just yet, plus only have some of these Gr. 1 cars, so a rare opportunity to try them at Le Mans, especially without the chicanes. This also reminds me how inaccurate GT7 is. The C9 reached 400 km/h or 248 mph back in 1989, in the last year of the no chicane era, we're 42-43 mph shy of that :( Anyway, the Group C cars are for me a bit more exciting but I'm also getting dangerously close to being 50, so I like to look back into the past :)

Obviously, these excursions will be short and sweet as clearly the GR010 is the car to go with. I know I will struggle but won't give up the silver easily.
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I got in the 908 and I love that car but as you I tried the Toyota as well. This car is so bloody fast and on the long straights there is a difference of about 20 km/h , that's huge. Accélération is better too so 🤷

I'll stick to the 908 though since it's my beloved Peugeot 😍

I never pick a car on purpose because it is the fastest or the best. I always drive cars that have my personal preference. If that means bronze or nothing, so be it 🤣
 
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Lightpilgrim
Gold is not a problem. I am within Gold by 0.5 or so. I am trying to improve vs the ghost. Maybe I need to drive it very differently. You are right.
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Hey buddy,

Question - what controller sensitivity setting do you use?

Only reason I ask, is that I used to have it set quite high at 7 or something.

The last few time time trials (basically everything since the Daytona oval one), I've changed the sensitivity down to 1 or 2, and it's made a HUGE difference to my time trial overall rankings. I used to like the high sensitivity to be able to help with Micro-corrections especially in the quicker cars, but as the cars are all round easier to drive now, I've found a much lower setting to be faster as they aren't as twitchy under acceleration at low gears (or at least that's my impression). It's also much smoother I think.
 
As it stands now:

I just got kicked out top-1000 at Alsace with a 52.684, but wont be putting more effort in that as I don't think I can improve there..

Tokyo 1:57.726, so gold by 0.150.. Maybe I'll try the M6 instead of the Supra... Need to have more trust in the final sector... I'll just secure the gold and walk away..

Only did some banker laps at LeMans... Without looking at the meta I tried the Porsche 919, SLOW on the straight. 310-315kph, while the GR010 easily goes 335-337kph. 3:13.607 so a lot of work ahead of me :rolleyes:
 
Hiya! Interesting…overall when I increased if to 10 sometime ago, I felt like I was able to control the car better. I will experiment here in Tokyo and decrease it as you suggest. I will try both cars for few laps and see which one I feel like I can drive faster and will put my head down and do the hard work:-)

ElectricNaz
Hey buddy,

Question - what controller sensitivity setting do you use?

Only reason I ask, is that I used to have it set quite high at 7 or something.

The last few time time trials (basically everything since the Daytona oval one), I've changed the sensitivity down to 1 or 2, and it's made a HUGE difference to my time trial overall rankings. I used to like the high sensitivity to be able to help with Micro-corrections especially in the quicker cars, but as the cars are all round easier to drive now, I've found a much lower setting to be faster as they aren't as twitchy under acceleration at low gears (or at least that's my impression). It's also much smoother I think.
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Morning all,

As promised i would do one session at Le Mans this morning.

So i'll throw in my honest opinion in now after a serious first look...
Yes.... me don't like... 😂

I think beeing a controller user isn't always a bad thing and we have different dis- an advantages than wheel users we all have seen that in the past years.
Personally i struggle with combo's that have a use amount of trailbraking in a short time because my middelfinger get exhausted quickly then but luckly that isn't the case here with only a few corners....but the other problem i have is getting high downforced cars placed on apexes.... the amount of steering input on high speeds is a real problem for me when starting to push the GR010
so braking into Indianapolis is just awfull and a lottery for me, the GR010 is just to nerveous and the lack of downforce on the slower corners is quite bad, don't get me wrong.... it's very drivable and i can see a lot will be fast on the pad but it's just not for me 😂😂


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I am glad you shared it, thank you.
Gomario JSP
Morning all,

As promised i would do one session at Le Mans this morning.

So i'll throw in my honest opinion in now after a serious first look...
Yes.... me don't like... 😂

I think beeing a controller user isn't always a bad thing and we have different dis- an advantages than wheel users we all have seen that in the past years.
Personally i struggle with combo's that have a use amount of trailbraking in a short time because my middelfinger get exhausted quickly then but luckly that isn't the case here with only a few corners....but the other problem i have is getting high downforced cars placed on apexes.... the amount of steering input on high speeds is a real problem for me when starting to push the GR010
so braking into Indianapolis is just awfull and a lottery for me, the GR010 is just to nerveous and the lack of downforce on the slower corners is quite bad, don't get me wrong.... it's very drivable and i can see a lot will be fast on the pad but it's just not for me 😂😂


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Big Hello everyone

After being abroad for almost a month and not being able to play at all, I finally turned on PS and joined TT challenges.
Alsace is fun 😊
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Surely won't stay in top 100 but honestly I don't know if I will go repeating it hundreds of time more to drop one tenth....

(I will try to catch up on this thread too, to see what you ninjas were doing, kind of remember someone asked me something so I will try to find that)
 
Barareklam
Big Hello everyone

After being abroad for almost a month and not being able to play at all, I finally turned on PS and joined TT challenges.
Alsace is fun 😊
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Surely won't stay in top 100 but honestly I don't know if I will go repeating it hundreds of time more to drop one tenth....

(I will try to catch up on this thread too, to see what you ninjas were doing, kind of remember someone asked me something so I will try to find that)
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Abscent for a while and casually throw in a .183 on your first efford....., i feel bad now 😂 😂
 
What a love/hate TT this new one is to me! In general i love such TT's, but this car/track combo is realy testing my patience!
About 70 to 80% of my laps end in spinning out of the 1st chicane or violationg track limits in "tertre rouge". :banghead:

I did more than 300Km this morning and maybe did 10 full laps. Gold should be safe, but i can't stop doing this before i get under 3:10.
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I also had a 2nd go in Tokyo. My goal was to go below 1:57, but again like in Barcelona, i came close, but didn't made it. But i'll be back :D
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Geeeeeez you guys have some pace at LeMans, I am down to a 15 flat, was on pace for a 14 flat and binned it on the final exit. It's just a matter of practice, I quite like the car, feels good with a wheel, I like downforce and know when to trust it but just do not know the lines at this track, especially the last sector.
 
NevilleNobody
Geeeeeez you guys have some pace at LeMans, I am down to a 15 flat, was on pace for a 14 flat and binned it on the final exit. It's just a matter of practice, I quite like the car, feels good with a wheel, I like downforce and know when to trust it but just do not know the lines at this track, especially the last sector.
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Use the yellow marks on assistance options.
 
911RSR
What a love/hate TT this new one is to me! In general i love such TT's, but this car/track combo is realy testing my patience!
About 70 to 80% of my laps end in spinning out of the 1st chicane or violationg track limits in "tertre rouge". :banghead:

I did more than 300Km this morning and maybe did 10 full laps. Gold should be safe, but i can't stop doing this before i get under 3:10.
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I also had a 2nd go in Tokyo. My goal was to go below 1:57, but again like in Barcelona, i came close, but didn't made it. But i'll be back :D
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Please focus on Le Mans as the GT3 at Tokyo might be a historic chance for me to get in front of you. Of course not done yet...

@Lightpilgrim : you will already have made your choice but I did this morning 10 laps with the Supra, the Lexus and the M6 again and I will stick with the bimmer for this round. There is no wrong or right just personal preferences (although I like Lexus a lot!).

Happy lapping!
 
If I had more time to evaluate, I would…but this weekend is too busy and I am going to stick to Supra and will see what I can do with it. No time to learn new markers, but I like how M6 handles.

Gorefast
Please focus on Le Mans as the GT3 at Tokyo might be a historic chance for me to get in front of you. Of course not done yet...

@Lightpilgrim : you will already have made your choice but I did this morning 10 laps with the Supra, the Lexus and the M6 again and I will stick with the bimmer for this round. There is no wrong or right just personal preferences (although I like Lexus a lot!).

Happy lapping!
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