Time Trial Discussion

[A_Higher_Place]

It could make it worse depending on how the cones fall - the "invalidated lap" thing sticks to the cone (!). I hit a cone back off the wall and onto the racing line at grand valley a while back (in the lancia), and hit it whilst on the racing line next lap and it got invalidated 😂😂

For sure, if you're just barging them around! But if you gently coax them to the side however...

 

[samsaoule]

There's something I don't understand...🤔🤔🤔

I finish a lap, the time is validated, but the next one turns red...😲😲😲😡

If I touched the cones before the finish line, my time should turn red immediately... Strange...🤔🤔🤔

 

[newmedia_dev]

There's something I don't understand...🤔🤔🤔

I finish a lap, the time is validated, but the next one turns red...😲😲😲😡

If I touched the cones before the finish line, my time should turn red immediately... Strange...🤔🤔🤔

There is a quirk in that the game for “reasons” will see the last couple of corners if invalidated will carry over to the next lap. A good example is RBR last sector last 2-3 corners will trigger the next lap to be invalidated.

At least that’s what I’ve experienced.

 

[Hasnain282]

The invalidation point is after the restart zone. So if you pause and retry, the point at which the car starts is the beginning of where your next lap would be invalidated if you went off track/hit something

 

[ZevZoq]

There is a quirk in that the game for “reasons” will see the last couple of corners if invalidated will carry over to the next lap. A good example is RBR last sector last 2-3 corners will trigger the next lap to be invalidated.

At least that’s what I’ve experienced.

well, the idea is that it prevents someone from doing something goofy in the last couple corners to give themselves an advantage on the upcoming lap (such as for instance driving through a row of cones into an out of bounds area and then back onto the track to get a boost of speed before the starting line lol). It's in effect in pretty much every TT as far as I can remember...although the actual implementation is a little arbitrary at times.

The invalidation point is after the restart zone. So if you pause and retry, the point at which the car starts is the beginning of where your next lap would be invalidated if you went off track/hit something

ah that's interesting! Yes, I hadn't thought of that.

 

[ZevZoq]

oops please delete

 

[newmedia_dev]

well, the idea is that it prevents someone from doing something goofy in the last couple corners to give themselves an advantage on the upcoming lap (such as for instance driving through a row of cones into an out of bounds area and then back onto the track to get a boost of speed before the starting line lol). It's in effect in pretty much every TT as far as I can remember...although the actual implementation is a little arbitrary at times.

I know you’d think that but when you look a little more it’s not so simple.

Because in some instances the velocity/momentum is slower, then factor dirty tires it’s a massive net time loss for the next lap typically.

The cones thing I have to be honest feels like they are just trying to make this track work for something for sport mode as a late addition, clearly they could have made track limits when they designed it but for whatever reason decided collision detection cones are more scalable across the game.

Make the cones closer together and the exploit/use of the extra space disappears.

Edit, if this was speed running this wouldn’t even be classed as out of bounds as you are in the map space as laid out by the devs.

 

[ZevZoq]

I know you’d think that but when you look a little more it’s not so simple.

Because in some instances the velocity/momentum is slower, then factor dirty tires it’s a massive net time loss for the next lap typically.

sure, but it's still the reason they kill the next lap. I don't think they went too deep in terms of actual analysis - it's just sort of a blanket solution to a potential issue. "Just in case someone comes up with a way to cheat by cutting the last couple corners or something we'll just invalidate the next lap as well"

 

[newmedia_dev]

sure, but it's still the reason they kill the next lap. I don't think they went too deep in terms of actual analysis - it's just sort of a blanket solution to a potential issue. "Just in case someone comes up with a way to cheat by cutting the last couple corners or something we'll just invalidate the next lap as well"

Yeah agreed, I think it’s suppose to be a “carried” penalty if time pens are on and it’s the same logic just the presentation and penalty are different (invalidated no penalty time, when laps a time penalised you get the time pen instead)

 

[RB_Free]

There's something I don't understand...🤔🤔🤔

I finish a lap, the time is validated, but the next one turns red...😲😲😲😡

If I touched the cones before the finish line, my time should turn red immediately... Strange...🤔🤔🤔

Maybe after the finish line you went too wide to the left, touching the pit exit.

Must be time for PD to delete all results and let's... rotate the board!

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Tidge says "I don't know whether you're going to get banned or not" in his video. Would be a bit overkill but also somewhat amusing if we all got the banhammer and one of the innocent few could take the P1 🚀

He's already asked to the PD:

I have had a message back around using that run off and it is allowed for this time trial but will be taken into consideration in future time trials at this location. So you can use it and you won't be punished.

I'm in a feedback group so we can post messages (Usually 1 person relays on). Not much happens in it to be fair but it's nice when we do get responses back!

I don't like this starting system either, like the rallycross one in Catalunya, even though it wasn't as suspicious as this one. But too many people have already used it, and with a clean lap, I was in the 2.40% from the gold, but at risk if someone comes along in 10 days and lowers the best time by 5 tenths. With the "cheat" start, I'm now safe with the 1.20%

I hope next time here can fix this problem.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I don't like this starting system either, like the rallycross one in Catalunya, even though it wasn't as suspicious as this one. But too many people have already used it, and with a clean lap, I was in the 2.40% from the gold, but at risk if someone comes along in 10 days and lowers the best time by 5 tenths. With the "cheat" start, I'm now safe with the 1.20%

It’s unsporting, it is not cheating, track limits are track limits, track furniture in this case isn’t track limits just obstacles.

The first rule of going fast on a track is using all of the allowable space, they could have tightened that space with more cones. They didn’t so race to the track rules like everyone else will end up doing.

For what it’s worth, outside of aliens I don’t think it matters for most of us, a little boost but we shed time everywhere else it’s almost moot.

 

[KAlex122]

So, after the 2:03,0 yesterday i thought i could improve that. Never got under 2:04. Most laps where even worse.

I got back from 2:04 to 2:03 and then found a whole nother second.

Thanks Tidge and Calster!

 

[CosmicMinster]

Wow, very fun combo this one. The recent time trials have not been very controller friendly, especially that Spa combo with the Hyundai VGT but I'm glad they finally gave a more fair one this time. I'm still a bit inconsistent here so there is still more time to find.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Evening all - new event is a bit silly really, isn’t it, snaking through cones? It’s the same for everyone I know, but not especially enjoyable (for me at least). Safe gold, daily marathon complete and I’m out

 

[ElectricNaz]

sure, but it's still the reason they kill the next lap. I don't think they went too deep in terms of actual analysis - it's just sort of a blanket solution to a potential issue. "Just in case someone comes up with a way to cheat by cutting the last couple corners or something we'll just invalidate the next lap as well"

Some of them are weird so it's definitely a blanket solution.

The one at Fuji annoys me amongst others, run wide on the penultimate corner before a huge braking zone and you still get penalised the next lap despite it having zero impact on your next lap.

There is a quirk in that the game for “reasons” will see the last couple of corners if invalidated will carry over to the next lap. A good example is RBR last sector last 2-3 corners will trigger the next lap to be invalidated.

At least that’s what I’ve experienced.

This one is fair. And quite true to real life (over 100 laps deleted in 2023 during the race lol) before they put the gravel outside the kerbs!

The invalidation point is after the restart zone. So if you pause and retry, the point at which the car starts is the beginning of where your next lap would be invalidated if you went off track/hit something

This definitely makes sense to me based on experience!!! Very nicely explained.

 

[Metalgear9493]

Found the final exploit in this TT that I didn't see any of the guys in the 0xx and 1xx doing, but this one makes the test very VERY grindy.

Nudge the cone away somewhere at the 3rd last corner, the right hand flat kink. Then proceed with a 45 minute grind without restarting .

It gives you around half a tenth or more, as you can cut that corner way more without the cone there.

 

[samsaoule]

There you go... we have fun, we enjoy finding tricks, but for us ‘normal people’, it still reduces the time we have to win gold...

Thanks for them... pffff 😂😂🤣🤣

 

[bluealpine]

There you go... we have fun, we enjoy finding tricks, but for us ‘normal people’, it still reduces the time we have to win gold...

Thanks for them... pffff 😂😂🤣🤣

 

[Metalgear9493]

I wanted a mid .8 during this session so it was a slightly bitter feeling crossing the line.

 

[samsaoule]

You didn't make it to .8, but that's okay... we forgive you...😇😇

I was thinking... don't you have some DIY to do at home... or an old aunt to visit...🤔🤔

just to give us a chance to win gold...🤣🤣

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Ok, so I reserve the right to change my mind, this is actually quite fun once you get into the flow of things. Picked up a lot of time this morning. Early days so no doubt will drop down the order, but a good next step, and if I don’t go any faster, I’m quite pleased with this one. Struggling with the last corner a little still though

 

[half_sourly]

Ok, so I reserve the right to change my mind, this is actually quite fun once you get into the flow of things. Picked up a lot of time this morning. Early days so no doubt will drop down the order, but a good next step, and if I don’t go any faster, I’m quite pleased with this one. Struggling with the last corner a little still though

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Agree. I went back for a stint today and found some time. Should have switched to the red one earlier.

 

[TheNormsk]

After a couple of weeks away from the game, I come back to find my least favorite track. The streets of Willow Springs. Ugh.

Then chasing the WR, I get myself to 3.3% off the @Metalgear9493’s time. And I’m flummoxed for how he manages to start so quick. Then I see @Tidgney’s post.

Here's the latest lap guide for you! All the laps shown are the "Official" way of doing it, but I do show you the "Unofficial/Cheat" way of starting a lap at the end in case no action is taken and it's the only way to get gold during the 2 weeks. Hopefully covered everything then that needs to be covered!

Thanks man.

With that I’m able to get up to a 131kph start as opposed to the 110kph I had before. That got me nicely up the rankings. Got into the 26s.

 

[TRCJohn]

Just had half an hour or so and improved my time by a little bit.

 

[KAlex122]

If MetalGear says that's it, it's ok for me. And thanks for the thing with the cone in the 3rd to last corner!

(Yess, i still want to learn, but not at this TT. After 2 years of offline racing i renewed my PS+ for just 40€. Check out your PSN profile. Playstation does offer -40% for many nonPS+users right now without promotion it. So i will go on learning at big Willow in Gr.3 ;-) )

 

[PowerJunkie]

From my end? Really depends who challenges me. If it's a replay hider like sirvia, wouldn't be caught dead re-doing my lap.

I have always wondered...why do they hide them? (think I know the answer) And being I have never seen a top 100 time...yet, what happens when you do achieve top 10 spot, as far as the replay goes?

 

[ScottPuss20]

I honestly think I'm getting worse at these. Anyway this little track is quite complicated with plenty of quirks that actually provide a challenge. Apart from the last corner, there's no tarmac runoff so you have to be very accurate with steering and braking compared to other tracks. I fully expected to do this for an hour and then go back to Mario Kart but I found myself spending more than 2 hours here. After taking this screenshot I went straight to bed because I'd had enough and was tired. I did a few 1:26's but they were invalid so like I say, there's always more in the kitty.

 

[Metalgear9493]

I have always wondered...why do they hide them? (think I know the answer) And being I have never seen a top 100 time...yet, what happens when you do achieve top 10 spot, as far as the replay goes?

It's a win at all cost concept, to receive zero dollars prize money.

 

[Jeje6410]

First day and first test in Willow Springs :
Get gold in 1'26'749

Sorry...🤣🤣1'26'579

 

[TRCJohn]

I improved again but so many times the last corner stops me but I’ll try again later.