Time Trial Ideas

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Thanks for the support AngelCreator

Right now, I'm working on how to display the results so that the it will be easier to understand.

If we display the standard deviation, most people will see a number with decimal places and ask themselves, so what does that mean?:confused:

We need some kind of "read me first" portion and sample data to display for people to undestand


Basically, the lower the number, the more consistent (which contradicts the example that I gave earlier) the closer your laptimes are to each other.
if by some fluke that you were able to do 10 laps with times the same to the 0.000 seconds then the Standard deviation is 0. The higher the number, the farther apart your laptimes are from each other.

If figured out the built in function to exel (try it yourself on your own laps, it gives you the feeling that your a formula one engineer:D)

-first convert the laps into seconds first (for example 1'24.456 will become 84.456)

-enter the laptimes in exel. for example 10 laps will occupy the boxes A1 to A10

-at box A11 type the following: =STDEVP(A1:A10) and press enter

-box A11 will give you the standard deviation (sometimes I get a negative answer, but I checked the math and graphs it seems that the farther you are from 0 the less consistent the samples)

I'm open for suggestion on how we can improve this.
This needs some more brainstorming to become an effective tool in finding the top drivers in GTP

for now, I'll try and make my own data table to serve as an example.
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GAHHHHH!!! reminds me of friggin modern statistical analysis class i took last quarter.:crazy: friggin college. haha, i congratulate and admire you for having the patience to come up with the ideA! WELPS, im out, peace
 
Here's a idea for a time trial, go by displacement.
There would be 3 classes, upto 1250cc, 1251cc to 3200cc and
3201cc and up. I would like some thoughts on this please:).
 
From a engineering standpoint,

the technology in engines these days is such that the only limit is the materials used. And engine technology is so competetive that dispalcement is not a big issue and turbo charging can increase the HP/Litre ratio. With just the displacement constant a lot of variables are left untouched (NA or Turbo, lightweight/heavyweight drivetrains, etc) the performance of the cars will be very much independent of displacement. A Flaw which is hard to rectify.

Speaking of Flaws 💡

how about a time trial where a specific car's flaw is amplified/made worse to the point of unmanageability?

example:
FF cars have a strong understeering flaw so we get a car (a heavy FF acura for example) tune it to ridiculous HP ranges AND PUT ECONOMY TIRES IN THE FRONT AND ROAD TIRES IN THE REAR and lap around the wet tsukuba track

This will put the car in constant and driving technique a variable so SKILL will be the dictator of the results

This will be a good execise trying to control what is virtually uncontrollable
 
That sounds good:tup:, can you think of more for FR,MR,AWD and RR cars?
As for that one about FF car on tsukuba wet, what car do you want to use:sly:.
 
Any FF car as long as its heavy and turbo, you can also lower the car and set the suspension to the softest setting and putting all the ballast to the front to introduce more understeer .

For the other cars

FR - depends on what kind of flaw you want to amplify oversteer or understeer, you can have a lot of power but put less traction on the rear (n3 front n1 rear) you can also put more ballast to the front, this will make it really hard to drive (this setting should amplifiy both)

MR - basically, this car is a bit less stable than an FR, same routine (N1 rear N3 front) a lot of power and LSD set really high

RR - oversteer is its flaw so again put a lot of ballast in the rear N1 rear N3 front and VERY soft suspension

Try the opposite tire set-up for the FR and see if its is harder that way

race cars with these set-up are absolutely EVIL:sly:


Tsukuba is the only wet circuit so the track is decided try experimenting some cars but heavier is better

May be this time trial should be called "the worst case scenario"
where you are in an endurance race and it started raining and you are forced not to pit by your team in order to keep your position but your tires are deteriorating etc. you need to stay out for as long as possible what should you do?


EDIT:
for the MR - Pagani ZondaS 7.3 stock tires N3 front N1 Rear weight 200 @ 50 (all the way back)

For the RR - RUF yellow Bird (stock) same setting as Zonda

For the FR - Tuscan Speed 12 (stock) Same setting except +200 weight is all the way forward

For the FF - dunno yet, It needs to be a heavy car and tunable to a LOT of hp tires N1 front N3 rear

at these settings, it won't cost much bar the FF which needs to step up its horsepower a LOT
 
Grab an Alfa for the FF. The 156 I think.

They smoke the tyres in standard form, so should be fine for what your planning to do.

This series is actaully kind of interesting - I'm keeping and eye on it.
 
Interesting, The alfa 156 may just do the trick, 👍

This Idea seems to be going somewhere..
Just a little more brainstorming and this will be a challenging time trial
 
The car we could use the Mitsubishi Eclipse GT '06 because it's heavy and has a turbo.
When it's fully tuned it makes almost 500HP.
And I like your idea for a name(the worst case scenario).
Maybe this would make me a better driver:idea:.
 
the eclipse is perfect for the order.

Seems like this time trial will get going soon.

Let the fun begin

This will be a good way to practice on your delicate throttle and brake work as well as weight shifting
perfect for "digital drivers"
 
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