To those still frustrated at the Course Creator's delay...

[Johnnypenso]

Small by choice but still a small team as of 2014 and 2015 and that small group will continue to produce GT7 - that is something nobody acknowledges except only to put them down.

Actually the size of PD is mostly mentioned by the defenders of PD as an excuse as to why the promised features are yet to be delivered, why we're not getting any real car DLC, why the VGT's are so slow in coming etc. Of course then others mention that the size of PD is irreleveant, which it is, the features were promised when they knew full well how many employees they had and it's not an excuse any more than it would be for any other company, after the fact.

 

[Nooboogering]

Actually the size of PD is mostly mentioned by the defenders of PD as an excuse as to why the promised features are yet to be delivered, why we're not getting any real car DLC, why the VGT's are so slow in coming etc. Of course then others mention that the size of PD is irreleveant, which it is, the features were promised when they knew full well how many employees they had and it's not an excuse any more than it would be for any other company, after the fact.

Defending, 'dealing with it' or attacking, Polythony Digital will still be making 'promised features', updates, cars and tracks like IOMTT, physics, lighting engine etc.. with a small team.
Cannot see this changing at this moment.

 

[MarchingSaint]

Defending, 'dealing with it' or attacking, Polythony Digital will still be making 'promised features', updates, cars and tracks like IOMTT, physics, lighting engine etc.. with a small team.
Cannot see this changing at this moment.

iomtt?
BTW i don't get why PD decided to stay a small team, useful links?
Maybe it's their way of teaching the way of the ninja; being patient about life and stuff.

 

[Griffith500]

That made me chuckle a lot, man I've yelled so much at Lewis Hamilton over the years...


I am personally not that bothered about the absence of the Course Maker, what bugs me is the lack of news and transparency over the whole issue. When the course maker for GT5 (yep 5) was announced I instantly thought of STUNTS, this was a DOS game that featured a simple yet powerful track editor for its time. Then it came out and in my opinion it was horrible, we just didn't have much control over the rough shape of the track. With GT6 they went overboard with the whole GPS thing and the 50km x 50km size area. I can't understand why they couldn't think of something simpler, more reasonable and that at the same time would give a greater deal of control to the user.

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This grid based editor although obviously a bit limited was simple, fast to use and functional (and it came out in 1990!). PD could have done something similar with a few modifications such as providing a grid of smaller squares, this would allow you to create the tracks more accurately and to your liking, you also then select the camber for each turn, track width, etc. I am guessing that would have been fine for the most of us but they chose to run the Hype Train once again and that is all we got so far... a bunch of hype and nothing more.

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The GPS function is separate (but probably integrated), there will be an editor of some sort again - you'll need it for the "GPS mode", too

What form the editor takes, we don't yet know.

I have great memories of that game from the Amiga, too. A grid is indeed far too limiting; I could see some kind of vector-drawing implementation (with some kind of spline modification capability) working well. How you apply camber, elevation (above the base terrain - see Sierra), trackside scenery etc. is another difficulty.

Actually the size of PD is mostly mentioned by the defenders of PD as an excuse as to why the promised features are yet to be delivered, why we're not getting any real car DLC, why the VGT's are so slow in coming etc. Of course then others mention that the size of PD is irreleveant, which it is, the features were promised when they knew full well how many employees they had and it's not an excuse any more than it would be for any other company, after the fact.

I've usually seen it mentioned in respect of content - i.e. there isn't enough content because PD are "too small", they "need to expand and / or outsource". Of course, PD are expanding, at the pace they deem manageable. Programming throughput doesn't scale with manpower in the same way that content can, however.

 

[TurismoBad]

In my opinion...

They don't have any issues with the course creator - it's that PD dedicated 5% of their work force for GT6 updates and 95% for GT7 creation.

The bigger the wait doesent mean the better the course creator will be - it will be what it will be and I think it will be rather basic. ("off the chalkboard")

 

[Nooboogering]

In my opinion...

They don't have any issues with the course creator - it's that PD dedicated 5% of their work force for GT6 updates and 95% for GT7 creation.

The bigger the wait doesent mean the better the course creator will be - it will be what it will be and I think it will be rather basic. ("off the chalkboard")

They may have issues, GT6 has random freezes without the course creator. I agree that it will be basic, trying to be flash with this technology might make the game unplayable for some.
I assume christmas would be an issue as well.

 

[MXH]

iomtt?
BTW i don't get why PD decided to stay a small team, useful links?
Maybe it's their way of teaching the way of the ninja; being patient about life and stuff.

GTP: From the outside, it appears that Polyphony Digital has kept a very small, tight production team, while the games have grown in massive complexity. Is there a reason you like to keep the company limited in size?

“The people who develop Gran Turismo are really all like family. We still have people working on GT6 who also worked on GT1. I think that’s one of the strengths of Polyphony Digital, that we have those people.

“Even with the cars, we still don’t outsource any of the modeling with the cars, and that’s just how we do it and I think that’s what leads to the uniqueness of the game.”

Source.

 

[Stephanos82]

I'd rather have tyre pressures than a track editor..

 

[TRLWNC7396]

I'll take it all....

 

[Saidur_Ali]

PD are quite a big development team, hopefully they continue to grow the company and get more of the features out quicker and improve quality all around.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

PD are a small company a factor not seen by a lot of fans expecting such a small group to generate a great deal of comfort to all who purchase their game.

I'm not expecting a small group to generate a great deal of comfort. I'm expecting a small group to provide a feature they themselves announced, 11 months after the release of the game.

Customers don't need to be well-versed in the size of the company; the company itself should know its size pretty well. Customers aren't to blame for expecting these features this late in the game, either. If PD can't get a reasonable grip on what they can and can't do in the course of a year, they should probably not use the non-existent features as one of the major tent-poles in their pre-release hype.

 

[Streeto]

@SlipZtrEm spittin' that real...

 

[Nooboogering]

I'm not expecting a small group to generate a great deal of comfort. I'm expecting a small group to provide a feature they themselves announced, 11 months after the release of the game.

Customers don't need to be well-versed in the size of the company; the company itself should know its size pretty well. Customers aren't to blame for expecting these features this late in the game, either. If PD can't get a reasonable grip on what they can and can't do in the course of a year, they should probably not use the non-existent features as one of the major tent-poles in their pre-release hype.

There are some 'so called' customers who have no patience and love to put the company down.
Customers have their rights and one of them is to sell their copy or even never purchase again.

And what are these non existent features? How do you know they don't exist?

Pre release hype.. organisations do this, don't they? especially at this time of year.
Some of those people never purchased GT6 at this time last year.

Some customers know better.

 

[Cosbuster]

There are some 'so called' customers who have no patience and love to put the company down.

That's an interesting thing to say after a full year. What would having patience be like for you?

 

[Nooboogering]

You can disagree with me instead of putting up stupid looking pictures.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

There are some 'so called' customers who have no patience and love to put the company down.
Customers have their rights and one of them is to sell their copy or even never purchase again.

As paying customers, they have every right to put the company down. On GTPlanet, people are allowed to speak freely about the company, so long as it does not violate the AUP. For all this talk of people apparently insulting PD, I've not seen much of it. Are people critical? Absolutely. They are allowed to be, just as I'm sure you've been critical of some company that has put out a product you weren't enamoured with at some point in your life.

And what are these non existent features? How do you know they don't exist?

Do you have access to a course creator? Me neither. Have you seen any concrete proof of it, not just mock-ups or another interview saying it's coming "soon"? Me neither. Zahara hints at a course creator, possibly, but it being over half a year late itself doesn't bode well.

The feature is not in the game, 11 months after release. From the perspective of players, said feature does not exist.

Pre release hype.. organisations do this, don't they? especially at this time of year.
Some of those people never purchased GT6 at this time last year.

What does when a customer purchased the game have to do with PD not providing the promised feature-set? Nothing.

You're right, pre-release hype happens a lot. It tends to include features the customer will actually get. Because it's common practice does not excuse PD's poor handling of the situation.

Some customers know better.

You know no more than anybody else, you're just operating on blind faith.

 

[MXH]

There are some 'so called' customers who have no patience and love to put the company down.

I've been very patient towards PD and even quite defensive in some cases. The delays, the mediocrity and the slow output of content has gradually killed it though.

Pre release hype.. organisations do this, don't they? especially at this time of year.

Sure. However, when you can't deliver said feature in a timely fashion, you probably should give an update to your customers rather than being completely mute.

 

[Nooboogering]

As paying customers, they have every right to put the company down. On GTPlanet, people are allowed to speak freely about the company, so long as it does not violate the AUP. For all this talk of people apparently insulting PD, I've not seen much of it. Are people critical? Absolutely. They are allowed to be, just as I'm sure you've been critical of some company that has put out a product you weren't enamoured with at some point in your life.



Do you have access to a course creator? Me neither. Have you seen any concrete proof of it, not just mock-ups or another interview saying it's coming "soon"? Me neither. Zahara hints at a course creator, possibly, but it being over half a year late itself doesn't bode well.

The feature is not in the game, 11 months after release. From the perspective of players, said feature does not exist.



What does when a customer purchased the game have to do with PD not providing the promised feature-set? Nothing.

You're right, pre-release hype happens a lot. It tends to include features the customer will actually get. Because it's common practice does not excuse PD's poor handling of the situation.



You know no more than anybody else, you're just operating on blind faith.

Please don't say that of me. I have bought 2 Playstation 3's and an Xbox 360, they no longer work. Blind faith won't repair them, only my skills in electronics will do that.
I never purchased those consoles and games to go with it, blindly.

If some people prefer to claim the non existence of the course creator..I won't.

 

[Imari]

You can disagree with me instead of putting up stupid looking pictures.

He can do both, apparently. Multitasking!

 

[Nooboogering]

He can do both, apparently. Multitasking!

The picture is still stupid and now multiple targets are engaged in an attack.

On topic

The course creator could be delayed because of the holidays or never ending bugs that appear in GT6 even without this feature.

 

[research]

If you guys keep arguing with noobergring (which just creates a bunch of circles) I am going to lock this thread!

 

[Johnnypenso]

The picture is still stupid and now multiple targets are engaged in an attack.

On topic

The course creator could be delayed because of the holidays or never ending bugs that appear in GT6 even without this feature.

Announced what, 18 months ago, presumably working on it for at least that long and you think some holidays could be delaying it?

If you guys keep arguing with noobergring (which just creates a bunch of circles) I am going to lock this thread!

No one is breaking the AUP to my knowledge and we're discussing, not arguing, about the subject at hand, the course creator.

 

[research]

I'm serious I will lock it down!

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

I'm serious I will lock it down!

You're not an admin.

 

[Nooboogering]

Announced what, 18 months ago, presumably working on it for at least that long and you think some holidays could be delaying it?

No one is breaking the AUP to my knowledge and we're discussing, not arguing, about the subject at hand, the course creator.

What do you think could be delaying it?

 

[Imari]

What do you think could be delaying it?

Does it even matter? I can't think of many valid reasons for delaying a feature for 11+ months that was supposedly very close to making the release version of GT6. Not without some sort of communication at least.

The valid reasons I can think of mostly fall under the categories of "random natural disasters" and "spectacular and deadly acts of God". Either of which tend to turn up in the news, so we probably would have heard about it.



I think what's actually delaying it is one of two things:

1. They announced the feature before they actually knew whether it was feasible. Turns out that it's kind of not, or at least it's orders of magnitude more difficult than they expected. Thus having painted themselves into a corner, they continue to try and actually make the feature work not knowing whether they'll ever actually get it functional. (Yes, I'm aware that Kaz says he has a beta version. He also said that it was nearly ready in December 2013. The man talks in riddles and fibs. What he calls a beta version could be barely functional from a commercial perspective for all we know.)

2. Gran Turismo 7. They've put a skeleton crew on supporting GT6 and everyone else is working on GT7. The lack of progress makes a lot more sense if there's only one guy actually working on the feature.

Neither of which are acceptable reasons to give to paying customers.

 

[Nooboogering]

Matters to the OP!

Anyone else?

 

[Imari]

Matters to the OP!

Anyone else?

And you, apparently.

Why do you think that it's relevant why the delay has occurred, at this point? Do you believe that there exist reasons for which such an extended delay would be reasonable and prudent, taking into account also the lack of communication?

What reasons for delay would be reasonably require a company to not release whatever they have, and also not to talk about it? Anything is fine, speculate away. But neither your holidays idea nor your bugs idea contain any reason why Polyphony would not release any information on the upcoming features, unless you'd like to elaborate on them.

 

[Streeto]

What holidays are you speaking of @Nooboogering ?

@Imari makes a good point, it doesn't really matter at this point.

I don't think there's any excuse for putting all their customers in the dark for nearly 12 months now.

 

[TokoTurismo]

No one is breaking the AUP to my knowledge and we're discussing, not arguing, about the subject at hand, the course creator.

You're not an admin.

@research was only having fun. It's great to have fun sometimes, isn't it?

Anyways. Like, KAZ, said. The Course Maker is, apparently, in beta form..... What a boatload of BS. HOW can a feature, that YOU advertised to the entire world about (even hyping it) be in BETA FORM???? Another example of PD being the slowest development company ever. Than why even advertise it in the first place? We don't know, it's just PD being PD promising stuff they themselves can't even deliver, AGAIN.....