Tokyo Auto Salon: one of the biggest GT5 displays ever built

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DragoonRaven
My first-gen Fat PS3 died last night, after 3 years of hard use. Will likely be picking up a Slim one to replace it. Yeah, I know I'm losing a couple of USB ports and memory stick slots, but the faster Cell processor should pay off. I know I lose PS2 backwards-compatibility as well but I think I've used the PS3 to play PS2 games only a handful of times.

Anyone know how to transfer old HDD data from a dead PS3 to a new one?
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Google "upgrading ps3 HDD", it's the same thing if you just plug your old HDD in. I'm pretty sure the slim can accept the HDD from the phat one. But I guess you should check.
 
But the good thing about yellowdog is that you can play your PC games by installing a specific program I found online.
 
owen.c93
Google "upgrading ps3 HDD", it's the same thing if you just plug your old HDD in. I'm pretty sure the slim can accept the HDD from the phat one. But I guess you should check.
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They released a software update to 3.15 version a couple days ago... in that implementation they add some kind of "Transfer Data Utility" , just what you´re looking for...
 
owen.c93
Hardware was crippled under linux and the ps3 wasn't designed very well for this sorta stuff. I think only half of it was accessible to yellow dog and all alternate OSes.
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One of the SPEs is used up and the RSX is mostly locked out although I think the graphics memory is still available. I have a strange obsession for software rendering so I was wanting to see what I could do with the CELL but not got round to anything yet.
 
Stonemonkey
nm (nanometer) 10^-9 It's the size of the die.
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Okay, further investigation has found you are correct. I thought I remembered seeing ns (nanoseconds) in reference to newer models' Cell processors, not nm.

So I take this to mean the new model PS3s do not actually perform any better except in terms of operating temperatures and power consumption.
 
Yeah, slammer die size, less power draw, less heat. It makes no sense to put faster processors into consoles as the games would still have to be made to the specs of the leat powerful machines. Maybe memory controllers and such would benefit but not a bump in mhz.
 
Stonemonkey
nm (nanometer) 10^-9 It's the size of the die.
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It's not the size of the die (that's insane!! Imagine trying to solder that bugger in!!), rather some characteristic measurement of a transistor, or summets, on the die - but close enough, eh? (sorry I'm trying to make up for some of the piss-poor, half-arsed pedantry in this thread over the last few pages.)

Which reminds me, reading some of the whiner's comments reminded me of this:
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As for day/night and weather cycles, it's fairly piss-easy to code such transitions - I'm sure they've existed since the text-based adventure games of the 80s :rolleyes:. It's then only slightly harder to get the visuals down.

The real challenge is properly modeling the way the cars' handling changes as a result. We're talking all sorts of things needing writing into the tyre model code, which as we all know, is the key component of any racing sim.
Look at Prologue, great suspension / kinematic model, slightly dodgy tyre model = ruined "feel" as compared with the Time Trial demo.

DragoonRaven, nice avatar ;)
 
still no significant news from TAS...?

I guess never trust Kaz's translator on aything.... 💡
 
DragoonRaven
Okay, further investigation has found you are correct. I thought I remembered seeing ns (nanoseconds) in reference to newer models' Cell processors, not nm.

So I take this to mean the new model PS3s do not actually perform any better except in terms of operating temperatures and power consumption.
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Hmm, a couple of links say there are some performance benefits of the new CELL but they don't go into any detail as to whether it's a re-design or if it's just the smaller size allows for higher clocking.

http://www.ps3news.com/PlayStation-3/sonys-ps3-slim-carries-updated-cell-chip-45nm-cell-processor/

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=83477

Or they could be wrong, I dunno.
 
Griffith500
It's not the size of the die (that's insane!! Imagine trying to solder that bugger in!!), rather some characteristic measurement of a transistor, or summets, on the die - but close enough, eh? (sorry I'm trying to make up for some of the piss-poor, half-arsed pedantry in this thread over the last few pages.)

Which reminds me, reading some of the whiner's comments reminded me of this:
85868-main_Full.jpg


As for day/night and weather cycles, it's fairly piss-easy to code such transitions - I'm sure they've existed since the text-based adventure games of the 80s :rolleyes:. It's then only slightly harder to get the visuals down.

The real challenge is properly modeling the way the cars' handling changes as a result. We're talking all sorts of things needing writing into the tyre model code, which as we all know, is the key component of any racing sim.
Look at Prologue, great suspension / kinematic model, slightly dodgy tyre model = ruined "feel" as compared with the Time Trial demo.

DragoonRaven, nice avatar ;)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_C3#Comparative_die_size

Aha, I see what you mean. Pedant.

Not so sure about piss-easy transitions, night and day lighting and shadow models will be very different and would probably have completely different texture sets which would both be needed at one time for a smooth transition.
 
I know some of you guys are disappointed with the lack of news, but how did this conversation stray all the way to Linux and then to the size of the processor?
 
And to keep of topic, the cell processor is slightly faster, but the Blu Ray drive is slower so all games take longer to load. Go and look on youtube for comparisons. Protip: that last phat ones had 65nm die so a good midle ground with no Blu ray slowdown.
 
MINICOOPER120
I know some of you guys are disappointed with the lack of news, but how did this conversation stray all the way to Linux and then to the size of the processor?
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It's better than hearing some variation of "I demand new information on GT5 because I am entitled to it" for the ten thousandth time. Seriously, it's a very refreshing change of pace.
 
Stonemonkey
Hmm, a couple of links say there are some performance benefits ... MEGASNIP ...
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All depends on what they mean by performance - e.g. thermal performance?

Stonemonkey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_C3#Comparative_die_size

Aha, I see what you mean. Pedant.
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Yeeks, that's the worst table I've seen in a while! Yeah, die sizes are typically in the tens to hundreds of square millimetres (finger nails to postage stamp +), e.g. the new 45nm Radeon HD5 series typically has die sizes in the range of 200+ square millimetres...

MINICOOPER120
I know some of you guys are disappointed with the lack of news, but how did this conversation stray all the way to Linux and then to the size of the processor?
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Frustration?
 
DragoonRaven
My first-gen Fat PS3 died last night, after 3 years of hard use. Will likely be picking up a Slim one to replace it. Yeah, I know I'm losing a couple of USB ports and memory stick slots, but the faster Cell processor should pay off. I know I lose PS2 backwards-compatibility as well but I think I've used the PS3 to play PS2 games only a handful of times.

Anyone know how to transfer old HDD data from a dead PS3 to a new one?
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I'm suprised that you are so willing to just accept it died and buy another one, Sony must love all the double money its getting from those buying a slim because their fat PS3 died not even half way into its lifecycle.

When my BR drive on my original 60GB went after only a year I refused to fix it with Sony because of the cost and also the fact that it would probably only give it another years worth of life judging by most users experiences.

Having never had anything electronic break, especially something this expensive and after months of fighting with Sony and trying everything possible bit of info on the net I decided to not give Sony anymore of my cash.

There are currently lawsuits going on about the consoles reliability especially with the updates and I hope something comes out of those because early adopters have never got so badly screwed over.

Robin.
 
:lol: Overreacting at its best.
Videogame consoles break since the Pong system.
The lawsuits are a joke, electronic devices can always die, thats why you get a warranty for at least 1 year.
 
That coupled with the X360's woeful reliability point to only one thing:

Gaming is officially mainstream. It's all about the money now, boys and girls. :nervous:
 
Hold on, how about my limited edition 160gb fat one? Will that one be destined to die too halfway in its life?
 
G.T.Ace
:lol: Overreacting at its best.
Videogame consoles break since the Pong system.
The lawsuits are a joke, electronic devices can always die, thats why you get a warranty for at least 1 year.
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Sony could at least put it in line with what its competition are offering, Nintendo fixed any Wii for free which broke due to some update a while back and MS has the 3 year warranty.

I just dont have the tolerance for over hyping by a company and then they deliver a very expensive and very temperamental product. Sadly this is becoming more and more common which tech companies. The fact sony released the Slim so quickly showed the fat was flawed both in pricing and complexity in my opinion.

NissanSkylineN1
Hold on, how about my limited edition 160gb fat one? Will that one be destined to die too halfway in its life?
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Its very rare to hear that someone has an original fat still working that hasnt at least been fixed or replaced once.

Robin.
 
Robin.
Sony could at least put it in line with what its competition are offering, Nintendo fixed any Wii for free which broke due to some update a while back and MS has the 3 year warranty.

I just dont have the tolerance for over hyping by a company and then they deliver a very expensive and very temperamental product. Sadly this is becoming more and more common which tech companies. The fact sony released the Slim so quickly showed the fat was flawed both in pricing and complexity in my opinion.



Its very rare to hear that someone has an original fat still working that hasnt at least been fixed or replaced once.

Robin.
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Even if I play one hour a week?
 
You wouldn't get games consoles for the price you do if they built them to last.
My first computer almost 30 years ago cost £300, that had 32k and loaded games off audio tape so the PS3 isn't really all that expensive.
 
NissanSkylineN1
Even if I play one hour a week?
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I really dont know, some think updates are the cause but nothing can be proved for sure. I had like 4 games, no BR films and played it quite rarely because I was at university and it died.

Robin.
 
Robin.
Sony could at least put it in line with what its competition are offering, Nintendo fixed any Wii for free which broke due to some update a while back and MS has the 3 year warranty.

I just dont have the tolerance for over hyping by a company and then they deliver a very expensive and very temperamental product. Sadly this is becoming more and more common which tech companies. The fact sony released the Slim so quickly showed the fat was flawed both in pricing and complexity in my opinion.

The Xbox360 failure rate was so high, they had to expand the warranty and Nintendo only fixes Wiis that broke down while in warranty, wow what a service.

Its very rare to hear that someone has an original fat still working that hasnt at least been fixed or replaced once.

Robin.
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Thats not true, most of the PS3s around are still old models and most of them still run. I have a European launch model and it still works, but i could imagine that it will die soon.

But i will let you alone with that now because its just stupid to argue about it and way too far of topic.
 

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