ah cool. You clearly have far more experience than me in this issue so Ill take your word for it. And yes I agree with what you wrote and the fact that the cars have been tuned to eliminate the oversteer. Thanks also for informing me about the nature of oversteer and tuning with regards to it, I clearly didn't know as much about it as I thought I did. Also do you by any chance have you got any suspension settings that can result in Lift-off oversteer? If so could you post them please?