Transformers 3: Dark Of The Moon (7/1/11)

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It's called creative licence. And suspension of disbelief. It may not be 100% accurate scientifically, but how many people are going to care that much? It's a TRANSFORMERS film. It involves giant alien robots that can transform into everyday vehicles. Realism ends at the door.
 
To intentionally splice actual news footage in a way that makes it look like they're saying something else - something supporting this nonsense requires that they knew what actually happened and simply ignored it. This is purposeful misinformation, not ignorance. Thousands of kids will grow up not understanding one of the crowning achievements of humanity as a result - all for what, so they can watch a bad sequel to a terrible movie (I'm not talking about the first one, I own the first one)?

It irks me even more that they've been doing this all along. In the first movie they claim that NASA JPL "crashed" the beagle "rover" on Mars (but it was a cover up). The beagle LANDER, wasn't a rover, and it wasn't NASA, it was the European Space Agency. And then there's Megan Fox's little speech about bumblebee's engine...

What's the goal here? To make sure kids today are as stupid as possible so that they'll keep watching Michael Bay movies? It takes 5 seconds to come up with a real credible scenario for this movie. They could claim that this happened on Apollo 8. Lovell's crew went down to the lunar surface while they were on the far side and examined the crash site, came back up, and nobody knew. It even has the benefit of claiming Lovell was the first man on the moon but nobody knows about it.

That's actually somewhat plausible, and it works with the plot - but no, we can't do that, we have to make stuff up that defies physics and stupefies Americans about the greatest achievement from America.

Perhaps its just a outlook I have based on what I've seen, but don't kids already stupify themselves even without historically incorrect movies? Quite frankly, I don't think kids would care to begin with anyhow given how few of them actually know history, period. I know that they are taking a factual piece of history and altering for there own ends but seeing as this whole story is all not real to begin with and like you knowing what actually did happen, I honestly didn't expect this to be true to life. I also am under the impression that since we have free will, Its essentially up to us to believe or not to believe or actually try to learn something and if Kids are actually that mentally incapable to believe a Movie (with "Alien Robots that Transform" mind you) rather then learning the true history of that mission, they are making themselves stupid.
 
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No different to the MiG 28's in Topgun as far as I'm concerned!... Films like this aren't meant to be educational... it's their responsibility to entertain, and it's the responsibility of parents and teachers to impart knowledge on to kids - not Michael Bays!
 
And when you go in for the ultra-gritty realism - like in last year's ROBIN HOOD - you slowly suck the fun and the joy out of film-making.
 
Didn't realise this was a duplicate thread. I've merged them together and kept the second thread title, because it's a little more accurate.
 
I'm totally fine with the premise about the giant alien robots. I'm even fine with using the apollo landings to make the point. But why violate scientific facts about our moon when you don't have to? It takes half a second to think of a way to do this without implying the the moon rotates in a way that it doesn't. I can take the premise. What I can't take is changing physics in a story backdrop that's supposed to feel real for no reason whatsoever. Nobody is going to come out of that movie thinking that optimus prime exists. But there may be a few people coming out of that movie thinking that the moon is not tidally locked, and therefore won't understand the lunar landing or simply even what they see in the night sky. And for what? Nothing. Not entertainment value, not ease of story telling, not anything.
 
The plot of the story is not going to hinge on getting the science of the moon right. The story is based on the actual moon landing, moreso than the moon itself. When Apollo 11 landed, Amstrong and Aldrin were out of radio contact for twenty-one minutes. The story hypothesises that those twenty-one minutes were a secret mission; indeed, the entire point of going in the first place. It builds the story around this aspect, and it needs to bend science to fit it in. It's unlikely that people at the time would have accepted them being out of radio contact for days or weeks on end, but twenty-one minutes to acrry out a special mission sounds feasible.
 
Didn't realise this was a duplicate thread. I've merged them together and kept the second thread title, because it's a little more accurate.

I made a duplicate thread? The other seemed like it just focused on NASCAR cars being in the 3rd film so I posted this one to talk about the whole movie and not just those cars.
 
While movies are all about suspension of disbelief, getting too many things wrong will just knock some people out of it and make them miserable for the rest of the movie.

My suspension of disbelief died halfway through TF1... then went completely AWOL in TF2. Simply: if some Transformers can survive being decapitated or even broken down completely into component parts (Ravage?), how can they actually be killed in battle?

One tip often given to fantasy writers: Make it self-consistent. The audience or reader will accept an impossible idea if it's internally consistent... meaning you set ground rules for how things work, and they are followed. The only rule Michael Bay every follows is the "rule of cool".


No different to the MiG 28's in Topgun as far as I'm concerned!... Films like this aren't meant to be educational... it's their responsibility to entertain, and it's the responsibility of parents and teachers to impart knowledge on to kids - not Michael Bays!

Wait, what? There were actual MiGs in TopGun? Where? Hiding behind the F5s with red stars painted on them? :lol:

Could be worse... even one episode of AirWolf is incredibly bad for any aviation buff to watch... it's amazing how when they blow up a bad guy, it's often a different model that gets blown up... terrific combat footage splicing, guys.
 
I have a fairly large issue with this backstory that is unrelated to Danoff's, even though I agree with him. It's the equivalent of saying Henry Ford invented the automobile, or Columbus landed at Plymouth Rock, and saying that the sun orbits Earth. This does alter the physics of one of the simplest observable astronomical phenomenon, a tidally locked moon.



But, I can suspend belief for a movie. I liked Crank 2 and that took a huge suspension of belief. My issue here is that it creates a monumental plot hole.

Ignoring that everything in Cybertron's history seems to revolve around Earth (which gets more and more annoying the longer they don't mention Energon), this will be the third historical interaction in modern US history. The first two being the All Spark and the discovery of Megatron. We got a huge backstory in the first film about everything they knew about Cybertronians and the discoveries that had been made. Suddenly this film is going to introduce an all new backstory with the US government secretly knowing about them? And they didn't at least tell Optimus about it?

So basically, we will get an all new bit of history that belongs within the timeline of the history and the organizations we already know about, but we were never told about.

It doesn't make sense.

And let's not forget the second movie introduced the idea that there was an ancient that lived on Earth in disguise for a very long time and even he failed to bring up that there was some big stuff on the moon.
 
Damn, that IS a big plot hole. Big enough to drive a tank through!

The second movie... horrible as it was... still fit within the first movie's Universe... this is going to be incredibly hard to hand-wave away...
 
Ignoring that everything in Cybertron's history seems to revolve around Earth (which gets more and more annoying the longer they don't mention Energon), this will be the third historical interaction in modern US history. The first two being the All Spark and the discovery of Megatron. We got a huge backstory in the first film about everything they knew about Cybertronians and the discoveries that had been made. Suddenly this film is going to introduce an all new backstory with the US government secretly knowing about them? And they didn't at least tell Optimus about it?
I read it as being a case of the Americans suspecting Megatron was not alone when they discovered him, and started looking for others. I wouldn't be too surprised if the Cybertronian ship found on the surface of the moon is somehow connected to Megatron. Maybe a group of Decepticons who are out looking for him, or Autobots who want to kill him before he can get his hands on the Allspark. I also wouldn't be too suprised if what the Americans find on the moon ends very badly, and so is intentionally erased from history. After all, the secret remains buried for forty years. THE DARK OF THE MOON probably has something to do with Russia as well, and the secret involvement of Cybertronians in the space race. We'll probably see the origins of Sector 7, and the way they have been tasked with covering everything up. They take pains to keep themselves hidden, much less their knowledge of the Cybertronians. There's plenty of potential for an explanation into why Optimus was never told the Government knew of his forerunners all along.

Hell, for all we know, Optimus does know about the ones on the moon. After all, how did Bumblebee know to go to Earth? The Cybertronians seeded the galaxy looking for the cube; it's entirely possible that Bumblebee saw the downed ship, used it as a guidepoint (ie starting where his predecessors left off) and checked out earth when he realised they were onto something. Optimus would naturally know about the downed ship because Bumblebee told him about it.
 
The plot of the story is not going to hinge on getting the science of the moon right.

My point is that it doesn't hinge on getting the science of the moon wrong. So why go so far out of your way to get it wrong? Pointless stupidity.
 
All they had to do was make a movie version of this song:

 
I read it as being a case of the Americans suspecting Megatron was not alone when they discovered him, and started looking for others. I wouldn't be too surprised if the Cybertronian ship found on the surface of the moon is somehow connected to Megatron. Maybe a group of Decepticons who are out looking for him, or Autobots who want to kill him before he can get his hands on the Allspark. I also wouldn't be too suprised if what the Americans find on the moon ends very badly, and so is intentionally erased from history. After all, the secret remains buried for forty years. THE DARK OF THE MOON probably has something to do with Russia as well, and the secret involvement of Cybertronians in the space race. We'll probably see the origins of Sector 7, and the way they have been tasked with covering everything up. They take pains to keep themselves hidden, much less their knowledge of the Cybertronians. There's plenty of potential for an explanation into why Optimus was never told the Government knew of his forerunners all along.
Except Sector 7 were the ones doing all the explaining in the first film. They felt this large detail was too big to hide from the Cybertronians but Megatron and the obviously super powerful All Spark weren't? That would only make sense in a Michael Bay movie.

Hell, for all we know, Optimus does know about the ones on the moon. After all, how did Bumblebee know to go to Earth?
As I have the prequel novel, I could tell you what the story here was before Bay breaks his continuity. From that trailer alone I can tell you that it breaks away from their previously laid out story.
 
I made a duplicate thread? The other seemed like it just focused on NASCAR cars being in the 3rd film so I posted this one to talk about the whole movie and not just those cars.

Yeah, and one of the NASCAR TRANSFORMERS is going to be voiced by Bill Fagerbakke. Let's hope that NASCAR doesn't sound like Patrick Star.
 
I lol'd at how GM used Revenge of the Fallen as advertising. Almost every car in that movie was a GM. Even the NASCARS appearing in this one are all Impalas.

Yeah, the fact that the Corvette cut an R8 in half seems like GM used the movie to give a big middle finger to Audi at the same time. I'm pretty sure the Ferrari 458 from the leaked footage is an auto bot though, so maybe this will be different.

EDIT: That or the 458 and Corvette are trying to escape something and the Ferrari falls behind and dies.
 
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I stand by my original opinion that they shouldn't bother making a transformers movie until they can make the robots for real.

The displeasure of watching a headache inducing CGI cartoon with a plot that seemed to have been added after filming was only topped by the least likely couple in the universe.
 
Based on what we've seen from DARK OF THE MOON, Bay and co. have learned their lessons from REVENGE OF THE FALLEN.
:confused: They seem to have created a plothole with the first trailer they put out. That was actually a new low.

And still too much "fast-actiony blow up stuff, BOOBS, blow up stuff, zoom in to show the bolts on his knees, dinosaur, quick 360 pan" stuff so far. Oh, and Shia Shia Shia Le Bouf Bouf Bouf going going going now now now. "Someone slap the Shia. It's skipping again!" (for those born too late to remember the original Transformers Google record player or turntable and skipping).

Or is there a trailer newer than the Super Bowl one that I am missing?
 
With the whole plot hole in the first trailer thing, I doubt the entire span of 30 years between the moon landing and now was covered in that minute long trailer. Allot can happen in that amount of time.
I'll wait to see the movie for myself. If the story is bad at least it should be a good shoot 'em up action movie and I will enjoy it as such.
 
With the whole plot hole in the first trailer thing, I doubt the entire span of 30 years between the moon landing and now was covered in that minute long trailer. Allot can happen in that amount of time.
I'll wait to see the movie for myself. If the story is bad at least it should be a good shoot 'em up action movie and I will enjoy it as such.
I have a long list of movies I want to see coming out this year, but this isn't one of them. I'm hoping to find something fun to do with my long Independence Day weekend. Maybe take my daughter to her first fireworks show.
 
Some more pics and info posted by Dritgod. Those weaponized Nascars look insane. That would be a fun job building those.

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I'm quite surprised no one even bothered posting this:




I would also like to put in my 2 cents:

Plotholes aside and all that jazz (or lack therof :P), my only concern lies in how the characters are portrayed. As long as I look at the mannerisms and can associate them with the originals(something I've been glad to see with Megatron in the last movie and Starscream), I'm cool with it. For instance, NBC's reboot of "Knight Rider" was completely a failure to me not so much because the choice of car (I like cars so it didn't matter that much), but because the overall portrayal of KITT and this loser thats supposed to be the successor to David Hasseloff's original character. Point is when I myself hear Transformers, My first question is "How are the characthers?". Whilst Micheal Bay and company are not the sharpest tools in the shead, they at least had the common sense to know for instance, Starscream is a decepticon and not an autobot (unlike a certain series).
 
As long as I look at the mannerisms and can associate them with the originals(something I've been glad to see with Megatron in the last movie and Starscream), I'm cool with it. For instance, NBC's reboot of "Knight Rider" was completely a failure to me not so much because the choice of car (I like cars so it didn't matter that much), but because the overall portrayal of KITT and this loser thats supposed to be the successor to David Hasseloff's original character. Point is when I myself hear Transformers, My first question is "How are the characthers?". Whilst Micheal Bay and company are not the sharpest tools in the shead, they at least had the common sense to know for instance, Starscream is a decepticon and not an autobot (unlike a certain series).
The portrayal of characters has been a major sticking point for me from day 1. Bumblebee can't talk (although he suddenly did at the end of the first film). Ironhide is a hot-head who wants to "show em my guns" and is ready to shoot a dog without hesitation, Jazz was a break-dancing, cussing rapper-wannabe, Jetfire was a senile old Scottish guy, and don't even get me started on Skids and Mudflap.

The only ones that anyone has attempted to get right are Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream, and Starscream didn't even get that chance until the second film.
 
The portrayal of characters has been a major sticking point for me from day 1. Bumblebee can't talk (although he suddenly did at the end of the first film). Ironhide is a hot-head who wants to "show em my guns" and is ready to shoot a dog without hesitation, Jazz was a break-dancing, cussing rapper-wannabe

I do find it rather tiring that for some reason, Bumblebee still can't talk. For just one scene or one movie, I could understand that. For two movies though? Seriously, all that time and somehow, they couldn't give him a voice? In the 2nd game for goodness sake, he had a voice and it worked fine.

As for Ironhide, I still think this is a case of his original personality just now including Humans and Dogs. I didn't see so much of it in the 2nd one or least don't recall him having many speaking parts. I do see your point on that though and I would've agreed if he would have done this for two consecutive films.

I think I recall us agreeing that Jazz's portrayal was the worst thing ever (partially on my end because of certain stereotypes that Hollywood still thinks is funny), that is until the 2nd movie was made.


and don't even get me started on Skids and Mudflap.

Noticed I never mentioned those two. I think one person summed them up best: Herp & Derp

The only ones that anyone has attempted to get right are Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream, and Starscream didn't even get that chance until the second film.

That was my only big complaint regarding Starscream. All he ever did on screen in the first one was a sort dialogue between him and Megatron. They thankfully have come to the realization in the 2nd one that Megatron and Starscream's conversations are rarely that short. Now if they only got the backstabbing part...
 
That was my only big complaint regarding Starscream. All he ever did on screen in the first one was a sort dialogue between him and Megatron. They thankfully have come to the realization in the 2nd one that Megatron and Starscream's conversations are rarely that short. Now if they only got the backstabbing part...
Thinking about it, I think that the treatment the Decepticons as a whole have gotten shows how little understanding of the franchise the film's creators have. It was like the first film quickly grabbed the most popular Autobots as characters, then for the Decepticons only gave Megatron any real personality and then just used the names of a few of the most commonly referred to characters on the Internet, but had no clue what to do with Soundwave. Then for the second film they saw the outrage over this and made sure to give Starscream more screen time and include Soundwave in a role that is half Soundwave and half Shockwave. It really does appear they don't know how to make villains that can be a fan favorite.

And looking at Bay's work there is always a clear cut bad guy who is rarely complex, while having these gruff, lovable heroes who actually have a sensitive side. They have no clue how to make a fan-favorite villain.

And I can't 100% blame it on the writers. Looking at the theatrical cut of Star Trek I am tempted too, but if you look at the deleted scenes you can see that they did have a huge character-building sequence for the villain, but it was cut. I think it gets cut in the production stage or deemed unimportant in post-production. By that point it is way out of their hands.
 
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