Transformers: Review and Discuss (TF2 Confirmed for 2009)

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Isn't that the chick from "Confessions of a teenage drama queen"? :odd:

She's got the looks, i'll give her that, I just hope she took some acting lessons in the mean time.
 
Argh... man, this makes me want to fire up and episode of the original series to try and forget they are making a movie. :rolleyes:

Another Batman movie.

Seriously?! What is it him as a grandpa and dying this time? :dopey: I seriously don't know how many their are and what order they go in.
 
Studios like to make sequels for the same reason Sony likes to sell 300,000 instead of 100,000 Playstation 3s. They make more money. Good or bad, that is the simple economics of it.



You know, when I was 10 or 11 years old, I sold a bunch of my old toys at a yard sale. I then took the proceeds of the sale and bought a generation one Optimus Prime. In the next couple of years remaining where I had any interest in playing with toys I collected a Megatron, Prowl, Soundwave and Starscream.

I read and collected the Marvel series of Transformers comic books until I lost interest in comics sometime in 86.

I watched the original movie on the big screen at a theater in my old neighborhood and GASPED out loud when I heard Spike use the S-word. I even rocked out to Stan Bush's 'The Touch' and Weird Al's 'Dare to Be Stupid' on the Transformer's soundtrack, which I purchased on cassette tape.

So you might say I'm about the perfect candidate to feel nostalgic about this film and perhaps resent any sort of tinkering Bay, Spielburg, et al might have done to the screen play.

But the fact is... I've finally decided I don't really care how they've changed things around. Okay, so Optimus is no longer a Kenworth K-100 and Jazz isn't a Martini Porsche. What about exactly about the details of their robot forms/Earth forms made any difference in the enjoyment of the toys?

Maybe it's just the pragmatist in me, but hell, I don't care what they look like. As long as they look good enough to make me suspend my disbelief for 2 hours I don't see what the big deal is. I just like the idea of big robots stomping around crushing stuff and blowing **** up.


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-> First of all, I concidered Transformers as an Anime series but it was converted to a cartoon when it was shown here in the US. After I seen all the post in this thread, I've irked with all of the pics shown and I'm highly dissapointed with the cars that are mostly GM and Ford's, Bumblebee as a Camaro? Pfft!!! Micheal Bay really screws up the series on the initial standpoint, but we'll see when the movie comes out. :indiff:

-> And WTF is this!!??

5-transformers-2007-camaro.jpg


^ Is Saleen doing Camaro now?
 
I'm not sure what all of the complaining is about. I mean sure, I was a fan of the original show, and I had several of the toys and such, but I'm not pissing and moaning about a modernization of the franchise. Those of you who continue to complain about the movie, all I can say is suck it up. Get over it. At least Spielberg is producing it, otherwise we would have another over-produced Bruckheimer flick on our hands.

...So the cars are different? Deal with it, this is 2006, not 1986.
...So the story is a little different? Again, this is 2006, not 1986, and there is an entirely new generation to get excited over the franchise. If anything, you should be excited that kids will be able to enjoy Transformers all over again, as the current iterations aren't all too great.

But, I'm sure ya'all are going to drag your feet, kicking and screaming all the way through to the premier of the movie. Then guess what? You'll go out and see it, maybe you'll like it, maybe you won't. But guess what? You just paid the folks who made the movie, and you justified a sequel (that will probably happen anyway).

Its funny how fanboys work sometimes, isn't it?
 
I haven't gone to the movies since... at least 2 years now? but I'm catching up on seeing them via my iPod. Movies suck now anyway, Teenie bopper fest. :shudder:
 
The trailer looks ok. The only thing that bugged me is that when they transformed, they didn't make the noise. You know, the noise. If they don't have that, i'm not going near it.
 
Isn't that the chick from "Confessions of a teenage drama queen"? :odd:

She's got the looks, i'll give her that, I just hope she took some acting lessons in the mean time.
It's one of the chicks from the OC. Pretty much the cast leads like a list of who is hot looking in Hollywood. This is something that I feel is a Michael Bay weakness is that he will sacrifice talent for eye candy.

The announcement that Peter Cullen will voice Optimus tells me that he does know talent and will choose it when looks don't matter.

DWA
Seriously?! What is it him as a grandpa and dying this time? :dopey: I seriously don't know how many their are and what order they go in.
Well, the newest movies are restarting the series. Thsi newest one he battles the Joker. The newest movie is actually very good in my opinion and truer to the comics. But there are six Batman movies:

1) TV show movie.
2) Batman - Michael Keaton (Joker)
3) Batman Returns - Michael Keaton (Penguin)
4) Batman Forever - Val Kilmer (Two Face/Riddler)
5) Batman and Robin - George Clooney (Mr Freeze/Poison Ivy/Bane)
6) Batman Begins - Christian Bale (Scarecrow/Ra's Al Ghul)

I then took the proceeds of the sale and bought a generation one Optimus Prime.
The one where the trailer turns into a base with launching missiles and a done? That was the most awesome toy ever!
In the next couple of years remaining where I had any interest in playing with toys I collected a Megatron
He he, the trigger was his crotch.

So you might say I'm about the perfect candidate to feel nostalgic about this film and perhaps resent any sort of tinkering Bay, Spielburg, et al might have done to the screen play.

But the fact is... I've finally decided I don't really care how they've changed things around. Okay, so Optimus is no longer a Kenworth K-100 and Jazz isn't a Martini Porsche. What about exactly about the details of their robot forms/Earth forms made any difference in the enjoyment of the toys?

Maybe it's just the pragmatist in me, but hell, I don't care what they look like. As long as they look good enough to make me suspend my disbelief for 2 hours I don't see what the big deal is. I just like the idea of big robots stomping around crushing stuff and blowing **** up.
Honestly, I agree for teh most part. It was eth characters that made them what they are. The fact that they actually had a good story didn't hurt. But in design I merely ask that I be able to look at one of them and immediately know who it is. I have shown Megatron images to a few friends without saying what it was and they thought it was a new horror movie creature, not a robot. Michael Bay decided the Decepticons should look more evil and sinister, but forgot that they are from the same planet and are part of the same race. Psychotic killers and dictators don't stand out looking like ugly, sinister, evil men, they just look like men. I don't care if they change the look, but a bit of consistency would help.

My other fear is that Michael Bay will Bay this up. Transformers was more than just transforming robots caught up in a war. They had character and a classic story. Neither of these are things Michael Bay does well.

The best comparison would be War of the Worlds. I was excited about an update, but the plot holes and the cheesiness of the whole thing ruined it. My fear is that they will do the same thing to Transformers. War of the worlds was just a bad movie and I think that may be the outcome of this.

I'm not sure what all of the complaining is about. I mean sure, I was a fan of the original show, and I had several of the toys and such, but I'm not pissing and moaning about a modernization of the franchise. Those of you who continue to complain about the movie, all I can say is suck it up. Get over it. At least Spielberg is producing it, otherwise we would have another over-produced Bruckheimer flick on our hands.
Spielberg also did War of the Worlds and I have made my feelings known about that in this and many other posts.

...So the cars are different? Deal with it, this is 2006, not 1986.
...So the story is a little different? Again, this is 2006, not 1986, and there is an entirely new generation to get excited over the franchise. If anything, you should be excited that kids will be able to enjoy Transformers all over again, as the current iterations aren't all too great.
An update is great. But as you brought up wit the current iterations, updates can suck. This is my fear. As I have said all the way through this thread, I am holding final judgement for the final product.

Then guess what? You'll go out and see it, maybe you'll like it, maybe you won't. But guess what? You just paid the folks who made the movie, and you justified a sequel (that will probably happen anyway).
Can someone please explain why I can't get my money back on a bad movie the way I can bad food or a bad product?

But yes, they will get my money because at least they tried and I want the full effect of the big screen for this movie. (fingers crossed they put it on IMAX)

Its funny how fanboys work sometimes, isn't it?
Fanboy I may be, but at least I am saying that it doesn't look promising, not accusing Bay of ruining my childhood or many of the other overly dramatic things I have seen on other sites.

The trailer looks ok. The only thing that bugged me is that when they transformed, they didn't make the noise. You know, the noise. If they don't have that, i'm not going near it.
That is something I can live without. Characterization is the biggest issue that must be met and is something that cannot be judged until the movie is viewed in full.


Let me clarify something here. My biggest issue with this movie is Michael Bay. Armageddon was OK, The Rock was pretty good, and everything else he has done has been horrible in my mind. He couldn't take Pearl Harbor serious long enough to properly make a point about the event. If he can't take something like that serious enough how can I expect him to take something that is truly not important serious?

Then the designs: Autobots and Decepticons look completely different. That alone creates a plot hole, especially considering some of the details I have heard from the script that is too spoilerish for me to reveal here. I will give it to anyone who PMs me though. Then putting that aside, the designs appear to be a ripoff from other designs. Something new would be great and more easily accepted but robots that look like they came form other toylines gone cartoons/comics is not acceptable. If you are going to copy a design then at least copy a Transformers design.


Those are my two issues. Everything else I am so far fine with.
 
Re: Toys

The one where the trailer turns into a base with launching missiles and a done? That was the most awesome toy ever!

Yeah, it was a damn good toy. Optimus himself had many diecast metal parts, which is something you NEVER see anymore on toys. Unfortunately, Hasbro removed the springs from the trailer/base missile launcher so they didn't actually shoot (lame) --I suspect the original Takara (sp?) version could put the eye out on some lucky Japanese kid.

My only beef with the toy was that due to the design, Optimus' arms were very long and he looked a little funny when they were fully extended.

Prowl was my favorite toy of all the Transformers. He was teh h0tness.


He he, the trigger was his crotch.

Yeah. There's another toy you will never see built again. Megatron's Earth form was a Walter P38. It was so real, it looked perfect. I don't know how I could have run around the neighborhood all damn summer swinging it around and not get shot by a cop.

Sadly, he was a terrible toy. The design compromise was so severe, he had very little articulation as a robot and looked goofy as hell. He also came with a plastic scope, silencer attachment and a folding stock. All these pieces flew off him in about a second and a half. I got so tired of the silencer flying across the room whenever I did my James Bond quick draw, I eventually stopped playing with him.


Re: The film

Honestly, I agree for teh most part. It was eth characters that made them what they are. The fact that they actually had a good story didn't hurt. But in design I merely ask that I be able to look at one of them and immediately know who it is. I have shown Megatron images to a few friends without saying what it was and they thought it was a new horror movie creature, not a robot. Michael Bay decided the Decepticons should look more evil and sinister, but forgot that they are from the same planet and are part of the same race. Psychotic killers and dictators don't stand out looking like ugly, sinister, evil men, they just look like men. I don't care if they change the look, but a bit of consistency would help.

I strongly suspect this was done so that non-fans (the vast majority of the audience) can easily tell the Autobots and Decepticons apart during the action scenes.


My other fear is that Michael Bay will Bay this up. Transformers was more than just transforming robots caught up in a war. They had character and a classic story. Neither of these are things Michael Bay does well.

My interest in Transformers waned when I discovered skateboards, heavy metal music and girls, so I don't remember a lot of the original lore.

What exactly was the classic story? From what I can remember, all they did was fight over the rescources of planet Earth. Optimus was the good guy who respected and protected our planet. Megatron was the bad guy who wanted to control Earth, then get back to Cybertron and control that too. Pretty basic and generic if you ask me.


The best comparison would be War of the Worlds. I was excited about an update, but the plot holes and the cheesiness of the whole thing ruined it. My fear is that they will do the same thing to Transformers. War of the worlds was just a bad movie and I think that may be the outcome of this.

Spielberg also did War of the Worlds and I have made my feelings known about that in this and many other posts.

I thought WotW was okay. Not bad for what it was; a horror movie. But instead of a slasher, they had big robots, metal snake thingies and Tim Robbins.


An update is great. But as you brought up wit the current iterations, updates can suck. This is my fear. As I have said all the way through this thread, I am holding final judgement for the final product.

Me too. 👍


Can someone please explain why I can't get my money back on a bad movie the way I can bad food or a bad product?

I know you well enough to know this question is largely rhetorical :D


That is something I can live without. Characterization is the biggest issue that must be met and is something that cannot be judged until the movie is viewed in full.

The characterization I remember from the cartoons, comics and feature movie was very basic at best. Maybe I'm missing something. I mean, all the robots had some character, sure. But they weren't exactly deep or anything.

The only interesting characterization I recall was Starscream's constant conniving to get rid of Megatron. I liked how he played all the Decepticons against each other. I hope they play that up a bit. It would keep the Decepticons interesting.

But Optimus' goodness was wholly generic. The other autobots had character only so far as to have something catchy to say before all the shooting started.

Ironhide: Let's kick some Decepti-chops! Argh! I'm so old and grizzled!

Jazz: Whoa! I'm a black Autobot! I'm so hip and stylin'! Let's get those DE-CEP-ticons!

Bumblebee: Look out Spike/Sam/Buster! I'm so concerned about protecting the squishy Earthlings, I don't even come with a gun! Let me shield you with my body ---arrg! I've been shot! (dies)

Prowl was cool though. He was so logical, he didn't bother talking. He just started shooting and crushing stuff. What a badass. Too bad he's not in the film.


Re: Michael Bay

I had to refamiliarize myself with Bay's 'rap sheet'.

Bad Boys (1995)
The Rock (1996)
Armageddon (1998)
Pearl Harbor (2001)
Bad Boys II (2003)
The Island (2005)
Transformers (2007; currently in post production)

Ouch. Except for Bad Boys I and The Rock, he as not aquitted himself very well. You may be right after all.


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Yeah, it was a damn good toy. Optimus himself had many diecast metal parts, which is something you NEVER see anymore on toys. Unfortunately, Hasbro removed the springs from the trailer/base missile launcher so they didn't actually shoot (lame) --I suspect the original Takara (sp?) version could put the eye out on some lucky Japanese kid.
On the new two-disc DVD of Transformers: The Movie one of the easter eggs is the TV ad for the Takara version. The Japanese ads used stop-frame animation so the toy actually appeared to fly.

Sadly, he was a terrible toy. The design compromise was so severe, he had very little articulation as a robot and looked goofy as hell.
Unfortunately "mass shifting" wasn't possible in plastic toys.

I strongly suspect this was done so that non-fans (the vast majority of the audience) can easily tell the Autobots and Decepticons apart during the action scenes.
Non-fans will also be the first to look for something to make fun of, and humongous plot holes like this will be a good starting point. [GEEKMODE]Then it leaves fanboys like myself trying to explain how in the comics they were designed with different functions before they were independent sentients.[/GEEKMODE]

My interest in Transformers waned when I discovered skateboards, heavy metal music and girls, so I don't remember a lot of the original lore.

What exactly was the classic story? From what I can remember, all they did was fight over the rescources of planet Earth. Optimus was the good guy who respected and protected our planet. Megatron was the bad guy who wanted to control Earth, then get back to Cybertron and control that too. Pretty basic and generic if you ask me.
Actually, I left it behind after G1 myself. But in college I had a roommate who never left it behind (he also wore an Indiana Jones hat regularly) and got me watching it again. That was when I realized what made the show so great. Perhaps classic was the wrong word.

What struck me was that over the entire series it was an on-going, serialized, plot driven story. The small battle may have been won that day but the war still waged on and the effects from the small battle were still evident from that point on.

While the story was a typical generic good vs bad storyline it was still the fact that the Autobots were willing to make sacrifices to save eth humans. Saving lives came first, winning came second. The only life worthy of sacrifice was their own. It was true (albeit cheesey) heroism. The Autobots were the type to jump in front of a blast from a fusion cannon. The Decepticons were evil enough to do anything to meet their desires and find victory, including destroy entire human cities if necessary. Megatron was greedy and cunning at the same time. He didn't charge into battle blindly, but he could be angered into a lack of caution. He had to watch Starscream, who was wreckless and power-hungry, keeping him by his side at all time while the loyal Soundwave could be trusted to lead secondary troops.

^See, character development? Always good for a story.

I thought WotW was okay. Not bad for what it was; a horror movie. But instead of a slasher, they had big robots, metal snake thingies and Tim Robbins.
<shudder> Tim Robbins' character was horrid. I will refrain from my rant.

I know you well enough to know this question is largely rhetorical :D
Yeah, but if Hollywood wanted to stop the bleeding I could give them a laundry list of pointers for changes to make in the industry to bring in more fans. But, they have gone blindly forward and have found themselves looking for excuses as to why the box office numbers are dropping. They don't realize that there is a way for fans to report their thoughts on a movie to the world now and so a sub-par movie with a good advertising campaign is only good for one weekend now, whereas a good movie with little advertising campaign can go one forever (Think My Big Fat Greek Wedding).

The only interesting characterization I recall was Starscream's constant conniving to get rid of Megatron. I liked how he played all the Decepticons against each other. I hope they play that up a bit. It would keep the Decepticons interesting.
Depends on if you listen to Bay or script spoilers as to whether you can expect this or not.

I'm not going through everyone for this:
But Optimus' goodness was wholly generic. The other autobots had character only so far as to have something catchy to say before all the shooting started.
He was more than just good, he was a leader and hero on every level. I described much of it above.

Bumblebee: Look out Spike/Sam/Buster! I'm so concerned about protecting the squishy Earthlings, I don't even come with a gun! Let me shield you with my body ---arrg! I've been shot! (dies)
Bumblebee was the little guy who wanted to be the big guy, but he was best at kind of sneaking in and around the humans. He dove in when he was over matched, but never cared. He was the biggest connection to the humans.

Prowl was cool though. He was so logical, he didn't bother talking. He just started shooting and crushing stuff. What a badass. Too bad he's not in the film.
He was a pure strategist and strictly adhered to military rules. Shooting and crushing was never at random and not without thought first.

Ouch. Except for Bad Boys I and The Rock, he as not aquitted himself very well. You may be right after all.
Honestly, this is the worst part of the movie, in my mind. Bay is good at 'splosions and car chases. A good movie requires a lot more.
 
Unfortunately "mass shifting" wasn't possible in plastic toys.

Silly Japanese designers. You think they'd have figured out mass shifting by 1982.

BTW, except for the plastic add ons, my Megatron was almost all die cast metal. The sucker had some heft. (to an 11 year old boy, anyway)

Non-fans will also be the first to look for something to make fun of, and humongous plot holes like this will be a good starting point. [GEEKMODE]Then it leaves fanboys like myself trying to explain how in the comics they were designed with different functions before they were independent sentients.[/GEEKMODE]

I don't know anything about the screenplay, so can't really articulate a response. I guess we'll see next July.


Actually, I left it behind after G1 myself. But in college I had a roommate who never left it behind (he also wore an Indiana Jones hat regularly) and got me watching it again. That was when I realized what made the show so great. Perhaps classic was the wrong word.

What struck me was that over the entire series it was an on-going, serialized, plot driven story. The small battle may have been won that day but the war still waged on and the effects from the small battle were still evident from that point on.

While the story was a typical generic good vs bad storyline it was still the fact that the Autobots were willing to make sacrifices to save eth humans. Saving lives came first, winning came second. The only life worthy of sacrifice was their own. It was true (albeit cheesey) heroism. The Autobots were the type to jump in front of a blast from a fusion cannon. The Decepticons were evil enough to do anything to meet their desires and find victory, including destroy entire human cities if necessary. Megatron was greedy and cunning at the same time. He didn't charge into battle blindly, but he could be angered into a lack of caution. He had to watch Starscream, who was wreckless and power-hungry, keeping him by his side at all time while the loyal Soundwave could be trusted to lead secondary troops.

^See, character development? Always good for a story.

I conceed there may be more in the story and characters than I give credit for. A lot of my attitude towards this kind of stuff is very tongue-in-cheek. I don't take stuff from my childhood, be it Transformers, G.I. Joe or whatever, too seriously. I think Star Wars may be the only exception to that.

However, take the type of heroism you describe: how is it any different than the heroism you may see in say... G.I.Joe? Or Justice League? Or The Thundercats? Or any number of cartoon hero characters?

Jumping in front of a canon to save an innocent is certainly heroic. No arguments there. But a Flint or Superman or Lion-O would do pretty much the same thing. So what makes the Transformers brand of heroism special or unique?

Take a successful comic/cartoon into movie franchise: The X-Men. THAT property works because the X-Men are heros despite being hated by those they seek to protect. That's drama. That's unique.

Spiderman is constantly fighting his own fear, inner doubt and selfish impluses in order to be a hero. That is uniquely Spiderman.

I'm struggling to see what makes the nature of Optimus Prime and Megatron's story uniquely Transformers. The same struggle is replayed again and again by Duke and Cobra Commander. He-Man and Skeletor. Any number of interchangable superficial good vs. evil storylines based largely around cartoon violence in order to sell toys (God Bless America).

I think that's why I'm so blas&#233; about my expectations for this film. I'm not expecting anything deep. I just want to see lots of expensive, pretty explosions.

And the crushing of stuff. Need lots of that. Screaming chicks would be good too.


Re: Prime

He was more than just good, he was a leader and hero on every level. I described much of it above.

Did Prime every do anything that made him Optimus Prime? Something that Spiderman or Wolverine or The Punisher would never do? I'm not doubting you, I'm just wondering.


Bumblebee was the little guy who wanted to be the big guy, but he was best at kind of sneaking in and around the humans. He dove in when he was over matched, but never cared. He was the biggest connection to the humans.

Okay. That has potential. Not something I ever noticed about Bumblebee. 👍


He was a pure strategist and strictly adhered to military rules. Shooting and crushing was never at random and not without thought first.

You know I was just being flippant, right? :)


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I think the main difference between Tranformers and other cartoons that involed good v bad, was that it wasn't all that uncommon for a character in Transformers to do something heroic and die. In other cartoons like say Thundercats, one of the good guys would do something heroic and no matter what, or how many heroic things they did, it was 99.9% sure that the character would live to tell the tale. Take the Transformers movie for instance, Optimus Prime was killed, not because he got beat, but because one of his own got in the way. How many cartoons killed of the leader of the good guys like that. With regards to how the heroism is different to He-man and Thundercats, the acts of heroism themselves were not, but the consequences of their heroism was very different.
 
I don't know anything about the screenplay, so can't really articulate a response. I guess we'll see next July.
Actually the geek mode came from past lore, which has nothing to do with the movie.

However, take the type of heroism you describe: how is it any different than the heroism you may see in say... G.I.Joe? Or Justice League? Or The Thundercats? Or any number of cartoon hero characters?

Jumping in front of a canon to save an innocent is certainly heroic. No arguments there. But a Flint or Superman or Lion-O would do pretty much the same thing. So what makes the Transformers brand of heroism special or unique?
Let's start with Thundercats: They were on pre-human Earth merely trying to save themselves. They were practically a Lost in Space cartoon, except they were cat people. It was fun and adventure with a giant plot hole (how can you have a mummy God without humans?). They were heroic to each other and no one else.

G.I. Joe: They were saving their own country/world. It was Army Men with cool weapons and crazy mutated terrorists (voiced by Starscream).

Superman: This is equivelant in the idea that they protect people they have no reason to protect, other than it is the right thing to do. Although, it can be argued that Kal'El had no home to return to and was in essence protecting his adopted home world.

Take a successful comic/cartoon into movie franchise: The X-Men. THAT property works because the X-Men are heros despite being hated by those they seek to protect. That's drama. That's unique.

Spiderman is constantly fighting his own fear, inner doubt and selfish impluses in order to be a hero. That is uniquely Spiderman.
Spiderman is unique in that he connects with his fans because he is still just a normal kid that fate slapped.

The X-Men is truly the comparable source (no coincidence that I love them both). The X-Men could ignore the human plight, and probably want to. The same is to be said for the Transformers. It is not their planet, it is not their people, but we become their responsibility. Megatron views humans a nothing more than "puny humans," an underdeveloped race that is no better than insects are to us. Energon is useless to humans and thus we are merely a bystander that Megatron will destroy and/or enslave to reach his goal. Optimus Prime is willing to sacrifice his own life to protect us when he had no need to. He believes that "freedom is the right of all sentient beings" and his life is worth sacrificing to defend that.

I think that's why I'm so blas&#233; about my expectations for this film. I'm not expecting anything deep. I just want to see lots of expensive, pretty explosions.
Well, it might be perfect for you. My issue is that Transformers had more than just that.

From all I hve seen it seems like that is all Transformers will be about. Would X-Men or Spiderman have been the same if we forgot to bring teh characters and personalities into it? He may have claws and a healing factor, but if he doesn't say "bub" and have a bad demeanor along with a soft spot for young girls (mind out of the gutter!) he is not Wolverine. Spiderman isn't the same without pining for Mary Jane while making smart jokes at the bad guys.

A giant shape shifting robot is not Optimus Prime without his honor and respect for the free will of all creatures. If he gets along with humans just so they will help him find his energon (or whatever they call it) because he is diplomatic it is not the same thing.

And the crushing of stuff. Need lots of that.
Giant robots, what else can you expect?

Screaming chicks would be good too.
As long as it isn't Dakota Fanning again. :nervous: She gave me such a headache.

Okay. That has potential. Not something I ever noticed about Bumblebee. 👍
Bumblebee was a classic underdog hero. He would take on Megatron, given the chance, but he was always outgunned. So, he was the little guy that had dreams of being more.

You know I was just being flippant, right? :)
Of course.

EDIT:
With regards to how the heroism is different to He-man and Thundercats, the acts of heroism themselves were not, but the consequences of their heroism was very different.
And those consequences made the heroism that much greater in the mind of the audience.
 
I cant wait until this movie comes out!! I just watched a couple of the trailers and it looks way better than I expected. The special effects and CG are very impressive in the trailers. :drool:
 
tabs, I like the clips, but the song so much. :sly: Nice find though.
 
That song rocks. Clears up a lot of stuff that I had forgotten about, hooray!
 
The trailer looks ok. The only thing that bugged me is that when they transformed, they didn't make the noise. You know, the noise. If they don't have that, i'm not going near it.

Haha, yeah you got that right. I would always make that noise when I was younger. It has to be one of the greatest sound effects.

The thing that bugs me the most looking through all the stuff posted here is the look of the Transformers. Megatron looks so crazy and the stupid paint job on Optimus.

I think I will still see it, it will be way better to experience it in a cinema. I will just think of it as a completely separate take on the Transformers, like Armada or whatever it is.

I think it is funny about the whole Michael Bay thing, the movie will be full of explosives and car chases and car chases with explosives. One reason I think he would want to do it is because it is his ultimate project. Giant robot's = action and explosive, they can transform into vehicles = car chases. It is perfect for him. :D

Those videos tabs posted are cool. I have the first one and when I was reading this thread, I was thinking that is what Optimus should be like. The second video was done very well.

The original generation 1 Transformers will always be it for me. It was one of my favourite cartoons growing up and still is now. 👍
 
You want to know why this movie is going to rock? Do you? Do you?



Yeah, thats what I thought...
 
I saw the trailer before Shrek 3(and that was just OK). I can't believe how radically twisted the story is. What's this meteor crap? A boys camaro that just happens to be a transformer? And I still say it's the Bionicle movie not the transformers.
 
What would you prefer? The deceptacons arriving in massive space ships looking oh so obvious...use your imagination a little. You could always just wait and watch it before taking a swing at the story line *shrugs*

Though the encouraging thing I heard on that trailer when Prime transformed...was the sound
 
What would you prefer? The deceptacons arriving in massive space ships looking oh so obvious...use your imagination a little. You could always just wait and watch it before taking a swing at the story line *shrugs*

Though the encouraging thing I heard on that trailer when Prime transformed...was the sound

Yes! I would prefer that. Why not? Since they have much more advanced technology, why not just cruise on down. Even using a cloaking device would be more suitable to the Transformers world then a bunch of meteors.

Sorry man, I'm an old school transformers fan, so all these twists and turns just don't sit well with me.

And I think it's perfectly fine to take a swing at any media production once it's released. Granted, I won't do it often but I really think that Michael Bay has screwed this up in a very general sense.
 
Agreed. This seems more like the unwanted out come from a one night stand between a loosely based Transformer and Bionicle.

The movie might entertain me, but I'm going to cringe whenever I remind myself that this is the live action version of the Transformers.
 
Well, you have to remember that they're trying to make the movie appealing not only to Transformers fans, but to people who may have never experienced the franchise before. Go too hardcore, like Grindhouse, and you keep people away. Give in too much, like Spider-Man 3, and while you'll get a lot of people in the theaters, the fan base will drop-out.

To me, it appears to be a pretty decent balance of most things. There is clearly some stuff for the fans, and clearly there is some stuff for the non-fans as well. I'm still interested to hear what the 'Bots sound like, as we have yet to hear any of them talk...

...Plus, I'm looking forward to Bumblebee kicking Barricade's ass...
 
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