Transformers: Review and Discuss (TF2 Confirmed for 2009)

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Perhaps something like this.

[Arnie accent]Go, get to da choppaah[/Arnie accent]

Or pehaps not. I hope they don't make them sound gay, or cheesey.
 
Yes yes, kick and scream all we want, Bumblebee isn't a VW like it should be. I just want to see the whole Camaro vs Mustang deal go down.

...Plus, anyone who has seen Pirates knows that the Transformers trailer is one of the best moments of the whole movie...
 
Well, much like many of you, I grew up on transformers... loved them and had many (which are no longer with us :( ).
That said, I'm really looking forward to this movie. It's the one movie of the year I'm actually excited about... Since I missed Grindhouse's first movie, and I missed 28 weeks later, I've only missed movies. The last movie I caught was "300" and it was good but not enough to satisfy an entire year of the movie-goer in me.

So now that this movie is coming to theatres I'm starting to wonder when I'll be able to scratch this itch. July 4th is the release right? Maybe July 8th will be the day for me? :lol:

One question, I've been through the last two pages of this thread. Are there any more trailers to view worthy of my time?
I really enjoyed the "Ballad of Optimus Prime" just for the throw-back to old cartoons. Makes me want to watch that stuff right now. :dopey:
Also, I loved the near three-minute trailer in a later post. That was awesome to see... I just wish they had kept a bit more of the cartoon styling. :ouch:
None the less, it seems like this will be a fun movie. 👍
(loved the "must be japanese" line in the trailer) :lol:
 
You want to know why this movie is going to rock? Do you? Do you?

<trailer>

Yeah, thats what I thought...
As I told my wife when we saw the trailer before Shrek 3, this will either be one of the most awesome things ever, or the worst. I mean you have Transformers (Awesome) and Michael Bay (Worst). What will shine through the most?

I saw the trailer before Shrek 3(and that was just OK). I can't believe how radically twisted the story is. What's this meteor crap? A boys camaro that just happens to be a transformer? And I still say it's the Bionicle movie not the transformers.
I agree about the Bionicle thing. So far Optimus is the only one that looks Transformer like, and that was only after a reworking of the design when fans complained about the designs. Starscream is supposedly reworked, but the transforming jet in the trailer still looks completely unrecognizable in bot form.

This clip was actually trimmed from the trailer I saw with Shrek 3. The trailer I saw in Shrek 3 had a bit at the end where Spike is leaning out his second-story bedroom window, where Optimus is standing outside, and he's telling him that he can't be there because his mom will freak out if she sees him. If anyone has seen the animated movie The Iron Giant that will sound very, very familiar (as in almost exactly the same). Besides, Optimus was intelligent enough to understand the effect their presence would have on humans and wouldn't need it explained by a 16-year-old kid.

I also cringed when Optimus flexed in a tough guy pose before the fight. That was purely Bay'd up.

All of that said, I am going into this movie reinding myself that thsi is not my Transformers, these are not the characters of my youth. This is a Michael Bay film about transofrming robots and nothing more. From that perspective I will most likely be able to enjoy it.


I would like to ask one thing though: For someone who doesn't know (because I do) which one of the robots in the trailer was Megatron? Can you identify him by sight alone? That is why this is not Transformers, combined with the fact that the same goes for every other bot, aside from Optimus.

Robots fighting and changing shapes is not what Transformers was/is about. God knows there were plenty of versions of transforming robots fighting out there. That's right, I had the Go-Bots too.
 
I can recognize Megatron by sight, but that's only because I've followed the film's production and I have those high-res renders of each character.
 
I can recognize Megatron by sight, but that's only because I've followed the film's production and I have those high-res renders of each character.
Honestly, when you first saw Megatron did you think, oh yeah he is recognizable as any form of Megatron ever taken?

I actually saw a Website (seibertron.com maybe?) that did a whole page with every image of Megatron, even in Galvatron form, and they were all recognizable as a form of Megatron. Then they had teh Not Megatron section with eth images from the movie, which looked absolutely nothing like any form of Megatron/Galvatron that has ever existed. Predator, maybe, but not Megatron.
 
Agreed, the bots aren't recongnizable compared to the forms we all knew as kids. That said, I think this movie can still be interesting.
The key to something like this is "how serious are you going to take it?"
If you're the kind that was upset over gene gray not being enough of a red-head in the first x-men movie then you probably will not like this movie. However, if you are laid-back enough to let it slide while trying to enjoy a new vision of Transformers (or x-men for that matter), then you should be able to enjoy the movie.
 
Agreed, the bots aren't recongnizable compared to the forms we all knew as kids. That said, I think this movie can still be interesting.
The key to something like this is "how serious are you going to take it?"
If you're the kind that was upset over gene gray not being enough of a red-head in the first x-men movie then you probably will not like this movie. However, if you are laid-back enough to let it slide while trying to enjoy a new vision of Transformers (or x-men for that matter), then you should be able to enjoy the movie.

I would normally agree with you as that can be applied to every fantasy/comic/game turned movie. The big difference here is that the origin story isn't even remotely close. But like you said, I'll try to be open to it. At least it'll have excellent effects! :D
 
Agreed, the bots aren't recongnizable compared to the forms we all knew as kids. That said, I think this movie can still be interesting.
The key to something like this is "how serious are you going to take it?"
If you're the kind that was upset over gene gray not being enough of a red-head in the first x-men movie then you probably will not like this movie. However, if you are laid-back enough to let it slide while trying to enjoy a new vision of Transformers (or x-men for that matter), then you should be able to enjoy the movie.
Well, it is one thing when stories are changed to get away from the near ridiculous way comics and cartoons can do things. Jean Grey was still a red-headed hottie that Wolverine couldn't leave alone. Wolverine still had crazy hair, adamantium-laced bones, claws, a bad attitude, and smoked cigars. He even talked in a raspy voice. Every minor change made in the comics to movies for things like X-Men and Spiderman (changes weren't what bothered me about Spidreman 3) were acceptable because it made things make more sense in what is supposed to be a real world. Spiderman shoots webbing made from his own body instead of being a teenage kid who creates an amazing chemical compound he wears on shooters under his suit. That was a very acceptable change. Transformerr changes aren't for realism sake, but to......I don't know what. I know openly visible gearing and moving parts as opposed to the shielded forms we see with the cartoon characters makes no sense on a soldier robot. But hey, they look cool, right?

Of changes I have seen the only ones that make sense are the car choices. Sponsorship deals can help a movie greatly, even if they sometimes stick out horribly.

Acceptable changes (to me) in Transformers that I know about:
Bumblebee is a Camaro.
Optimus isn't snub-nosed.
Megatron is (supposedly) voiced by Hugo Weaving, not Frank Welker

Unacceptable:
Bumblebee can't talk.
Michael Bay is directing
Bot modes all look more like the alt-modes for the insecticons, or a Bionicle.
Michael Bay
Teletraan 1 is nowhere to be found.
Michael Bay
I'm supposed to believe that guy from Las Vegas and Tyrese are soldiers. Sorry, but tranforming robots from another planet is much more believable.
Did I mention Michael Bay?
Megatron looks like a thorn bush.
 
I agree with some of that but other parts not so much...
My one concern for the movie is probably something we all share.

The plot looks like it will be based on the humans... It looks like the human side of the story is going to be the main plot and in a movie about transformers I think they should take more of a part than supporting cast.

I'll just have to wait and see what happens. :dopey:
 
Never have I gone from not giving a crap about a movie to wanting to be first in line quicker than after watching that internet-exclusive trailer. That shot of StarScream jumping up and flipping into the jet made me clap my hands; that's right, I was applauding a trailer. Now, if Bay ruins this I will be so upset I may never watch another one of his movies again.
 
Never have I gone from not giving a crap about a movie to wanting to be first in line quicker than after watching that internet-exclusive trailer. That shot of StarScream jumping up and flipping into the jet made me clap my hands; that's right, I was applauding a trailer. Now, if Bay ruins this I will be so upset I may never watch another one of his movies again.
Despite all of my issues with the blasphemy that seems to be happening I have to admit that it does look fun.

Of course, Hollywood does tend to put all the good parts in a 3 minute trailer and the other hour and 57 minutes can bore me to death.

I am so on the fence on this one. I want it but I am scared it will suck. Whatever the end result may be I will be there opening day.

Does anyone know if it will be on IMAX?
 
You want to know why this movie is going to rock? Do you? Do you?



Yeah, thats what I thought...


OH MY GOD! THIS FILM CAN'T ARRIVE QUICK ENOUGH. Those shots of Starscream were awesome.

Possible Spoiler:
I believe the Transformer being held in the facility when Jon Voight says "Dear god, what is this?" is Megatron. I've read the set-up novel to the movie recently and it gave clues that might be him.
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It's a shame they made Optimus a long nose rig instead of his traditional cab-over version, but if this trailer is anything to go by, this film WILL ROCK!
 
Possible Spoiler:

I've read the set-up novel to the movie recently.....<snip>
How is it that I have missed this novel? This is the second time I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. What is it called and is it available online, or at Wal*Mart?

It's a shame they made Optimus a long nose rig instead of his traditional cab-over version.
This was one of the changes I found acceptable for two reasons.
1) The Peterbilt they used is one of, if not the largest commercial semi-truck you can get. It allows Optimus to be large and distinct, even in alt-mode.

2) I rarely see cab-over trucks anymore and I drive 80 miles on the interstates daily, so the odds of Optimus scanning one nowadays is slim to none.
 
How is it that I have missed this novel? This is the second time I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. What is it called and is it available online, or at Wal*Mart?

Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0345497988/?tag=gtplanetuk-20

US Amazon Link: http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345497988/?tag=gtplanet-20

It's a short read, but helps to give you a bit of a break until the movie comes out and helps establish the story already.

This was one of the changes I found acceptable for two reasons.
1) The Peterbilt they used is one of, if not the largest commercial semi-truck you can get. It allows Optimus to be large and distinct, even in alt-mode.

2) I rarely see cab-over trucks anymore and I drive 80 miles on the interstates daily, so the odds of Optimus scanning one nowadays is slim to none.

I'm not all that annoyed about it cause I love the Peterbilt rigs, and always thought they looked better than cab-over trucks. You're right in that its a big rig and will give Optimus stature, so yeah I can't wait.
 
BUMP! with a question...

Does anyone yet know what Megatron will transform into? I know quite a few of the others but no idea about Megatron.
 
BUMP! with a question...

Does anyone yet know what Megatron will transform into? I know quite a few of the others but no idea about Megatron.

to a popsicle?

He's not turning into a gun because it doesn't seem plausible. It was described as, "it would be like Darth Vader transforming into his own lightsaber."

Instead, Megatron will retain his Cybertron form of an alien jet since he crash landed on Earth and was frozen before being able to reformat into a new alternate form.
 
That'd be one huge popsicle in that case :D
 
Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday

<snip>

It's a short read, but helps to give you a bit of a break until the movie comes out and helps establish the story already.
Bought the last copy at Wal*Mart for $4.50 and finished it a few days ago. It's a good read and the characters retain their original personalities in the book, but whether that plays through to the movies is a different thing.

I do hope that they learn to vocalize in English between when the book takes place and when the movie starts.


The only issue I had with the book was the whole Megatron part on Earth. Everything in my body wanted to say that it couldn't happen.

Instead, Megatron will retain his Cybertron form of an alien jet since he crash landed on Earth and was frozen before being able to reformat into a new alternate form.
This is what I have heard as well. My only thing is that I wonder if they explain how once not frozen Megs still doesn't transform. The only thing I can figure is that Megatron would not lower himself to our level because we are "puny humans."
 
Shouldn't metal not freeze, since it doesn't have water in it? Or some other chemical reason I'm not aware of (thanks humanities major!)
 
Shouldn't metal not freeze, since it doesn't have water in it? Or some other chemical reason I'm not aware of (thanks humanities major!)

I would think metals do freeze, or atleast, react to temperature. Think of how metal gets more and more brittle as temperatures lower. That's a good indicator of a metal's reaction to temperature.

Then you could even think of the hypothetical, does metal react to liquid nitrogen? (I'm not sure about this and thanks to movies like T2, I'll always be an idiot on teh subject) :p
The T1000 froze, I suppose that's acceptable evidence. ;) :lol:

Btw, with the changes they've already made, I think they should have made Megatron a Tank. I mean, he was a gun, what's a tank other than a big moving gun? :D
I swear, sometimes I feel like I could do a better job than hollywood with movies, television, commercials, and games.:sly: (that also seems to apply for many of the people I know online... I suppose hollywood just can't do right ;) ) :lol:
 
I think the reason he's able to be "frozen" doesn't have to do with the metal, it has to do with the electronics that keep him "alive". In deep freeze, he's in the TF equivelant of a coma, what they call "stasis lock".

He was a Cybertronian jet when he arrived on Earth, and as mentioned above, he sees no need to reformat. He has no desire to hide from the people he intends to destroy/enslave/etc.

Now, since it's a movie, and in the movies the good guys always win, it's possible that he may reformat for the second film, having been beaten by the puny humans in the first film.
 
The freezing thing creates a HUGE plothole because in both the book and trailers they can take on a "comet protoform" and exist in space, which would be near absolute zero, yet I am supposed to believe teh arctic will freeze them?

Another plothole is that for millenia Megs is missing and last they ran into him he ripped Bumblebee's voice emitter out. In that time no replacement has been found or built.
 
A few things:

- Megatron is apparently a B2 Stealth Bomber in the videogame, so it seems likely that he would perform a similar role in the second movie. Otherwise, yes, Megatron (voiced by Hugo Weaving, ie Agent Smith, V) is some kind of alien fighter jet.

- I am not certain how Megatron became separated from his Decepticons, but apparently his team has been searching for him for some time. He crash-landed in the US in the 1960s (I think), and then the Decepticons discovered where he was after they run into some secret space ship piloted by humans, which was kinda being protected by the autobots, but was eventually destroyed by the Decepticons....

- Megatron "wakes up" upon transport from the arctic to the Navada desert after the Americans are confronted by a Soviet task force trying to seal the robot. Eventually both have to fight him, but they give-up their lives to shut him back down. Then he is hidden beneath the surface of the Navada desert using liquid nitrogen, somehow, leaving him a suspended state.

- Also, I believe that I understood that several of the autobots had been on Earth for some time. I seem to recall hearing that Bumblebee had been on Earth in West Virginia before going to California...

Thats all I've heard thus far.
 
- I am not certain how Megatron became separated from his Decepticons, but apparently his team has been searching for him for some time. He crash-landed in the US in the 1960s (I think), and then the Decepticons discovered where he was after they run into some secret space ship piloted by humans, which was kinda being protected by the autobots, but was eventually destroyed by the Decepticons....
He was searching for Energon, er The Matrix, er The All Spark.....whatever the heck they want to call it this time around. The official movie book calls it Energon, but it was written off of the first script draft. The prequel was written based on the final script and calls it The All Spark. It is rumored that Michael Bay preferred The Matrix from the 1984 animated movie, but there was some copyright issue there.

Anyway, the prequel book says Megatron was missing for thousands of years, so I can only assume that was how long he was on Earth before being found. All the book really says is that America had a Cybetronian-based ship design from reverse engineering Megatron's technology in the 1960's. I can only imagine that took time.
 
- Megatron is apparently a B2 Stealth Bomber in the videogame, so it seems likely that he would perform a similar role in the second movie.
I'm pretty sure he's a Cybertronian jet in the game, as there's footage of him in that alt mode wreaking havoc on the city. I do agree that he'll take a new alt form in the next film, though.

YSSMAN
- I am not certain how Megatron became separated from his Decepticons, but apparently his team has been searching for him for some time. He crash-landed in the US in the 1960s (I think)...
He's been on Earth significantly longer than that. Old Witwicky finds him the Arctic around the turn of the 20th century, as I recall from what I've read. Spike's great-grandfather or something.

YSSMAN
- Also, I believe that I understood that several of the autobots had been on Earth for some time. I seem to recall hearing that Bumblebee had been on Earth in West Virginia before going to California...
I don't know about West Virginia, but BB's been on Earth for at least thirty years. I believe that model Camaro (some say '74, some say '76) was brand new when he arrived, and he's maintained that alt form ever since. The length of his stay on Earth also explains his fondness for humans, and his rather human-like behavior and mannerisms when in robot form. I think he's the only one that's been there that long, though. Four of them (Prime, Ironhide, Rachet, and Jazz) arrive during the film, they're the four "comets" we see in the trailer. I think that's all of them, isn't it? There's only the five Autobots?

Foolkiller
The freezing thing creates a HUGE plothole because in both the book and trailers they can take on a "comet protoform" and exist in space, which would be near absolute zero, yet I am supposed to believe the arctic will freeze them?
That doesn't make much sense to me, either. The only explanation I can think of is that he was damaged, and the freezing temperatures prevented his systems from repairing themselves. That throws the whole "woke up in the desert for a short time" thing out of whack, but that's non-canon anyway, so I'd prefer to think it didn't happen. Especially seeing as how powerful he is.. it seems highly unlikely that an awake Megatron could be subdued by some puny humans with nitrogen guns. Also factor in his size.. he's damn near fifty feet tall (bigger than Prime), they'd need some pretty fancy guns to freeze anything more than his feet.

Foolkiller
Another plothole is that for millenia Megs is missing and last they ran into him he ripped Bumblebee's voice emitter out. In that time no replacement has been found or built.
I read a bit today that indicated that his voicebox is damaged much more recently, actually within the film itself:
A guy on another forum saw a sneak peek of the film, and he indicated that BB's voicebox was damaged during his fight with Barricade early in the film. But since that was (I think) the first time he transforms, the first time that Spike realizes what he is, he never has the chance to actually speak to Spike before he loses the ability to. However, he apparently regains the ability at the end of the film and has a few spoken lines. I'm guessing once the fighting was over, Rachet fiddled around a bit and fixed him up. Kind of handy to have their medic with 'em.
 
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