Transformers: Review and Discuss (TF2 Confirmed for 2009)

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I really didn't even think about the fact that Barricade really doesn't show up to fight there in the end. I never even noticed it, I just figured because he was en-route that he fought someone. Hmmm.

That's because Ironhide kills his ass beforehand.
 
I was more surprised Optimus didn't reuse his energy axe. But it was a very good movie, imo. I enjoyed it.

But the good news is that 2 sequels are now in the pipeline. 2 of the writers won't return though as they will be working on the 2008 film StarTrek. Shia, Megan, and the man who plays Sam's father, have returned. Michael Bay, though, is taunting the press as he hasn't signed on, and Steven S. will return as Executive Producer.

The Dinobots, Constructicons, and Soundwave will appear. Bay also wants to create an aircraft carrier-type bot.
 
While I was reading through the thread, I looked up one of the Transformer that could change into an aircraft carrier and with wikipedia to my aid, Broadside is the Transformer that could transform into an aircraft carrier. He could also transform into a jet.
 
That's because Ironhide kills his ass beforehand.

When? I don't remember seeing it...

All I remember is that they were all gunning down the highway, Optimus Kills Bonecrusher, then the team collectively kills Devestator, and the same can be said of Blackout.
 
I'd laugh so hard if they made Soundwave a ps3. I could imagine some kid playing him in complete photo-realism.

How can the constructicons be in the next movie when Bonecrusher is dead?
 
When? I don't remember seeing it...

All I remember is that they were all gunning down the highway, Optimus Kills Bonecrusher, then the team collectively kills Devestator, and the same can be said of Blackout.

No, it's not in the film, but was supposed to be what happened. I'm guessing that Ironhide took out barricade while Optimus owned Bonecrusher. Michael Bay probably cut the scene because it would've damaged the sequel.

In that case, I guess it's best to say that Barricade just ran off. We'll have to wait for the BD to find out.
 
I would suppose so. I had assumed that he didn't die, or for some reason chose to escape. Killing him would have pretty much ended the line of succession in terms of Decepticons, leaving only Starscream. Which would suck.

Either way, who we think is dead probably isn't, and I wouldn't be surprise to see that who come back more pissed-off than ever before.
 
I should stop reading this thread, I am finding out too much.
I think I might try and see it tomo.

Here is a Transfomers avatar I made, file size is way too big though. :ouch:

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You know what I'm pissed off about with this film?


WHERE THE HELL IS STEVE JABLONSKY'S SCORE? The soundtrack is all stupid pop songs. I want Jablonsky's awesome work for the film!
 
I went to watch the movie yesterday.
There were only like 20 people of so watching this movie :dopey:

And to think that only 2 cinemas in our province already play the movie, the others have to wait almost 2 weeks before they may play it.

But i liked the film overall, hated the first battle scenes were you couldn't even see which robot was in view, because the camera was shaking so much.

I didn't go to see a movie with a good storyline, so i wasn't disappointed.
 
I agree with all of Foolkiller's plot hole complaints. However, I will note that I purposely don't analyze plots in too much detail during movies (only afterward) so the holes didn't cut into my enjoyment of the film.
Well, I was doing good until Optimus showed up mid-final fight. Then afterwards I went for pizza and beer (mmm mmm good!) with my friend which led into us discussing it and I realized that no matter how much I was loving it there were a ton of issues.

There is a lot left for the second movie, and I think with the amount of input thrown in thus far, one would hope that Bay gets a good idea where to go. Of course, we thought the same for Bad Boys II, but then again...
Are we talking about the same guy who actually said something along the lines of "F the fans" and then had the quote posted on his own site when the script got leaked and there was an uproar? He doesn't listen or care.

Its a good summer movie. People are excited about it. I enjoyed myself in Transformers more than I did in Spider-Man 3, which is something in itself.
Thinking back, it was definitely more enjoyable than Spiderman 3, but that had its own problems.

Also Optimus had LIPS.

Bumblebee was a CAMARO.

Also they didn't play the original theme song at the end of the movie. :grumpy:
Oddly, these were the least of my concerns. Only once did Optimus' lips seems odd.

Really, its the hardcore fans that notice the little things, and everyone else just goes along for the ride.
Really, the list of complainst have nothing to do with fanboyism, but bad movie making. Plotholes, bad dialogue, and ignored story elements have nothing to do with being a hardcore fan of the original cartoons.

For example:
I really didn't even think about the fact that Barricade really doesn't show up to fight there in the end. I never even noticed it, I just figured because he was en-route that he fought someone. Hmmm.
This is an issue that has nothing to do with me being a Geewunner.

But the good news is <snip> 2 of the writers won't return though as they will be working on the 2008 film StarTrek.
Well, since the writing credits go to Orci and Kurtzman that leaves no one. They jumped on Star Trek because they are part of JJ Abrams original Aloias team. Fortunately they are not Lost writers.

What this means for me as a Trekker, I do not know.

Michael Bay, though, is taunting the press as he hasn't signed on,
Shouldn't this be in the good news column?

The Dinobots, Constructicons, and Soundwave will appear. Bay also wants to create an aircraft carrier-type bot.
Am I the only one having problems with the idea of Dinobots being explained in live action?

I'd laugh so hard if they made Soundwave a ps3. I could imagine some kid playing him in complete photo-realism.

How can the constructicons be in the next movie when Bonecrusher is dead?
Bay Swore off mass-shifting (unless we are dealing with cubes apparently), which is why Megatron isn't a gun and why Soundwave was kind of shelved, so unless he is a minicon, I doubt we will see him as a PS3. It would be funny though.

Do you actually think that Bay cares about plotholes, like a character coming back from the dead? I actually believe that we will find that the humans' placement of the dead Decepticons' bodies will lead to how they come back. They put way too much focus on that one point.
 
Re: Bay directing TF2

Shouldn't this be in the good news column?

I agree. Bay is a one trick pony. He is very good at blowing up great big piles of cash and making it look good. At everything else he ranges from mediocre to just plain awful.

Now that the movie's made a few bucks, I think its time someone with more well rounded ability step in. Here's a few directors I think Paramount/Dreamworks should be sending scripts to.

Tony Scott (Top Gun, Crimson Tide, Enemy of the State)
James Cameron (Aliens, Terminator 2, and that movie with the boat in it)
Sam Raimi (Army of Darkness, Spiderman 1, 2 and 3)
Bryan Singer (X-Men, Superman Returns)
Peter Jackson (King Kong, Elves and Dwarves on Vacation: Middle Earth I, II and III)
Steven Spielburg himself should take a good look at this one. It's been a while since he's cranked out a good summer action hit.

My top choices are Raimi or Singer, two guys who understand comic book superheros (which Transformers absolutely are). But Singer's no doubt working on another Superman AND he's lost points from me for working with that nutjob Cruise on Valkerie. Raimi is shopping around on Spidey 4, but could probably find time to keep Bay from running our favorite Giant F---ing Robot series into the ground.

Thoughts?

EDIT Re: Why the Giant F---ing Robots were so complex looking instead of smooth like the G1 cartoons

Now that I've seen the movie, I'm convinced they did the right thing to redesign them. I think the reason has to do with realism and scale. Remember that you're used to looking at cartoon Transformers on TV screens standing around on cartoon backgrounds. If you blow that up to a 60 foot wide movie screen, its guaranteed to look stupid. And fake.

Look at it this way; we all know what the underside of a car looks like right? Now, imagine a movie where this car grows arms and legs and a head, but all that mechanical complexity suddenly disappears and the robot has a smooth surfaces except for a headlight or some wings sticking out. That'd be lame.


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Heather and I watched this on saturday and we also thought the movie was really good. The story was a little bland and the acting was quite cheesy at times but that was expected for a movie like this. I also remember watching transformers as a kid and noticed a lot was different but it seemed to fit with the move. The special effects were definetly the highlight of the movie. The way the robots looked and transformed seemed so real. Even the paint and reflections on the metal looked real. :dopey: The explosions and sounds were just awesome but that is also the trademark of Michal Bay. We will buy this for sure when it comes out and we only buy a couple movies a year.

The only thing I was really disappointed with was the end battle between Megatron and Optimus prime. That was way way too short. How long did that battle even last? 1 or 2 minutes max. Come on those are the 2 main characters they should have been battling for a long time. But thats my only complaint.
Other than that it was really good.

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Re: Bay directing TF2



I agree. Bay is a one trick pony. He is very good at blowing up great big piles of cash and making it look good. At everything else he ranges from mediocre to just plain awful.

Now that the movie's made a few bucks, I think its time someone with more well rounded ability step in. Here's a few directors I think Paramount/Dreamworks should be sending scripts to.

Tony Scott (Top Gun, Crimson Tide, Enemy of the State)
James Cameron (Aliens, Terminator 2, and that movie with the boat in it)
Sam Raimi (Army of Darkness, Spiderman 1, 2 and 3)
Bryan Singer (X-Men, Superman Returns)
Peter Jackson (King Kong, Elves and Dwarves on Vacation: Middle Earth I, II and III)
Steven Spielburg himself should take a good look at this one. It's been a while since he's cranked out a good summer action hit.

Peter Jackson would do an amazing job, imo.

But the reason you won't see Steven directing it is because his next summer action hit comes out next year. ;)
 
While I was reading through the thread, I looked up one of the Transformer that could change into an aircraft carrier and with wikipedia to my aid, Broadside is the Transformer that could transform into an aircraft carrier. He could also transform into a jet.

True.

But technically, according to the movie, the robots could transform into whatever they pleased.

YSSMAN will probably know this, but what did it say on the side of Barricade?
"To 'blank' and Enslave."
 
Punish.

"To Punish and Enslave"



Dude. Are you getting an R8?

EDIT: Spielburg should be finishing up Indy 4 just in time to give Bay a Chuck Norris style roundhouse kick to the head and direct TF2.


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YSSMAN will probably know this, but what did it say on the side of Barricade?
"To 'blank' and Enslave."

According to my official Barricade Transformers action figure, "...to punish and enslave..." Oddly enough, I have yet to throw that one the side of my Barricade car in Forza 2.

///M-Spec
Now that the movie's made a few bucks, I think its time someone with more well rounded ability step in. Here's a few directors I think Paramount/Dreamworks should be sending scripts to.

Tony Scott (Top Gun, Crimson Tide, Enemy of the State)
James Cameron (Aliens, Terminator 2, and that movie with the boat in it)
Sam Raimi (Army of Darkness, Spiderman 1, 2 and 3)
Bryan Singer (X-Men, Superman Returns)
Peter Jackson (King Kong, Elves and Dwarves on Vacation: Middle Earth I, II and III)
Steven Spielburg himself should take a good look at this one. It's been a while since he's cranked out a good summer action hit.

You've pretty much got the list of good directors (mostly) that have proven that they can make a good nerd-approved film. Spielburg should be directing if he is as big of a fan as he says he is, but I'm sure that Indy Jones and the oft-rumored Jurassic Park have taken enough time out of his schedule. I think the same issues can be placed in Pete Jackson's lap, given his work on the on again/off again Halo movie, as well as the new game, and all that jazz.

I'd vote for James Cameron. He has a knack for robots and other apocalyptic machine-induced mayhem, and he seems like he would know and care enough about the franchise to make it worth something. Sam Raimi could do much the same I assume, and with his (generally) shockingly good Spider-Man movies, he could easily turn this boat in the right direction. The best part about Raimi? He would give a part to Bruce Campbell... The greatest actor of our time.

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Oh, and I almost forgot! Bumblebee is for sale!

You can buy the '77 Z/28 used in the movie here, all proceeds going to charity. Current price is just shy of $25K, and I'm sure it will go a bit higher.

I'd buy it if I had the money. Problem is, I don't know if it is a functional car or not...
 
Punish.

"To Punish and Enslave"

Ah, thanks. I forgot as soon as I walked out. :dunce:
Dude. Are you getting an R8?
I wish at the price it'll be. That's just when the dealer takes delivery of it, and when I'll go down there to see it.

EDIT: Spielburg should be finishing up Indy 4 just in time to give Bay a Chuck Norris style roundhouse kick to the head and direct TF2.
I don't know how well you liked Shia Le., but according to recent news, he plays Indy's son in #4. I think Spielburg will also be working with Jurassic Park afterwards. He's currently reviewing its numerous scripts.

Spielburg should be directing if he is as big of a fan as he says he is, but I'm sure that Indy Jones and the oft-rumored Jurassic Park have taken enough time out of his schedule.
I don't think JP4 is actually a rumour. Spielburg himself reported it has a script, and that he will be choosing a director, prefering the one who directed JP:III.

Oh, and I almost forgot! Bumblebee is for sale!

You can buy the '77 Z/28 used in the movie here, all proceeds going to charity. Current price is just shy of $25K, and I'm sure it will go a bit higher.

I'd buy it if I had the money. Problem is, I don't know if it is a functional car or not...
I'd be interested if it came without all of the smoke, and included that badass engine. ;)
 
Does it run and have the same engine as in the movie? If so, I would consider buying it.
 
EDIT Re: Why the Giant F---ing Robots were so complex looking instead of smooth like the G1 cartoons

Now that I've seen the movie, I'm convinced they did the right thing to redesign them. I think the reason has to do with realism and scale. Remember that you're used to looking at cartoon Transformers on TV screens standing around on cartoon backgrounds. If you blow that up to a 60 foot wide movie screen, its guaranteed to look stupid. And fake.

Look at it this way; we all know what the underside of a car looks like right? Now, imagine a movie where this car grows arms and legs and a head, but all that mechanical complexity suddenly disappears and the robot has a smooth surfaces except for a headlight or some wings sticking out. That'd be lame.


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I can't argue with your general thought. But I still think that there should have been more sheet-metal covering the bodies instead of so many pipes and wires. It really looked like bionicle(as I've said before). Again, I agree with your basic concept, but I still think that especially over the torso area, there could have been more metal covering.
 
Pipes and wires are ILM's specialty.

So? Seriously, So what? I want to see robots. They really didn't look all that robotic. Much more organic AND unprotected. I mean, we all have skin to protect our vital parts. But these guys had stuff just out in the open.

Like Prime said, "Jam the cube into my chest" He didn't have to open it or anything. It was already open ALL the time. Same with Megatron apparently. That's all I'm saying, just don't have the vital "organs" open for anyone to blast away at will.
 
So? Seriously, So what? I want to see robots. They really didn't look all that robotic. Much more organic AND unprotected. I mean, we all have skin to protect our vital parts. But these guys had stuff just out in the open.

Like Prime said, "Jam the cube into my chest" He didn't have to open it or anything. It was already open ALL the time. Same with Megatron apparently. That's all I'm saying, just don't have the vital "organs" open for anyone to blast away at will.

I have to agree. The robots had the characteristic of an Armadillo, really. It took forever to fight Blackout until they started shooting his chest underneath.
 
I can't argue with your general thought. But I still think that there should have been more sheet-metal covering the bodies instead of so many pipes and wires. It really looked like bionicle(as I've said before). Again, I agree with your basic concept, but I still think that especially over the torso area, there could have been more metal covering.

Well, my argument was based entirely on the notion of good aesthetics --getting the robots to look realistic and believable when they were going to be displayed in near 'life size'. If the audience doesn't buy into the transformations, nothing else is going work. You could have Coppola directing this film with De Niro starring and no one will buy it unless the robots look like they can do the things they do.

As for the 'practical' considerations of good armor protection I really don't find myself forming an argument against. From a pure aesthetic point of view, I don't see the Autobots as 'warriors'; therefore their design ethos shouldn't revolve around an 'armored' look. But the Decepticons are and do look like warriors. All the Decepticon designs are way more formidable looking than the Autobots.

I think that's part of the reason why Megatron and his boys look all sharp and pointy. We see sharp and pointy things subconciously as dangerous. Contrast that with Autobot designs, which are far less intimidating.


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Contrast that with Autobot designs, which are far less intimidating.
Is that why psychotic killers all look like they came from a completely different race than peaceful humans?

Unfortunately, l I don't know what a general Cybertronian form is because the two factions looked completely different.
 
Is that why psychotic killers all look like they came from a completely different race than peaceful humans?

Unfortunately, l I don't know what a general Cybertronian form is because the two factions looked completely different.

If psychotic killers could choose to look like anything they wanted, you think they'd choose to look like Jeffry Dalmer.... or Freddie Kruger as their 'natural' form?

I don't know what a general Cybertronian looks like either.. maybe they look like what the Autobots did when they first landed. Not that I think it really matters; what matters is what we see when they're here.


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Unfortunately, l I don't know what a general Cybertronian form is because the two factions looked completely different.

I would suspect that they all look similar to what the AutoBots looked like when they landed and before they took the disguise of various GM vehicles.
 
I would suspect that they all look similar to what the AutoBots looked like when they landed and before they took the disguise of various GM vehicles.
Yet, Megatron, still in his Cybertronian form, and even transforming into a Cybertronian jet, looked like a thorn bush.
 
Yet, Megatron, still in his Cybertronian form, and even transforming into a Cybertronian jet, looked like a thorn bush.

A very prickly ununiform(from the few times I saw him) thorn bush.


SPOILER!!!





I have to say that I got a huge kick out of the scene where the girl asked why Bumblebee transformed into a POS camaro. He then kicked them out, scanned a new one and came back new and improved.
That was a trip! :D
 

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