Trophies have disappeared - Burnout Paradise

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After searching and posting on the Burnout forums I’ve had not luck, so I thought here would be the next port of call.

I’ve only got Burnout Paradise recently, and updated it to include the trophy pack. I then played the game for a couple of weeks, and racked up a few trophies. I then discovered that whilst playing, I received a trophy for something I’ve already done... I then exited the game, and discovered that all the trophies I earned have disappeared :sick: I posted on the Burnout forms, and they said that it was a Sony / PS3 problem rather than the game.

Burnout is the only game I have with trophies, and I haven’t been online with it because our internet connection is an ADSL line through a USB modem, and is extremely slow (it took four hours to update the game). I haven’t played the game since, and was wondering if anyone had any advice on what to do.

The only thing that I could think to do would be to copy the game save to a USB, restart the game and earn the trophies up to the point I lost them, and continue my original game. My only fear then is that my trophies will disappear again, and I will have to start the process over again.

Any help / advice is gratefully appreciated.

Thanks in advance,


Super_Spig
 
Trophies suck, they're unnecessary and they do only work how they please... I got 2 'you did not earn a trophy' today, wtf?
I really wish their was a option to turn that nonsense OFF, only annoying and destroys gaming experience pretty much imo. :yuck:
 
I've never had a problem with trophies, and i have never seen the "you did not earn a trophy" message.

I have 8 games now that support trophies.
 
I dont think trophies suck eather. I fail to see how they can destroy gaming expirience. And there is certanly not any msg that you dident earn a trophie today.

They are a nice addition to give games more replay value, and add and element of friendly competition, among your PSN friends who have the same games. They do no harm at all, so if you dont like them just stop worry about them.

Regarding the topic starters question. I think the problem is your PS3 is not online. As far as I know the trophies arent stored in your local save file, if that was the case one could just copy it to another user, and thereby give that user all his trophies.

When you recive a trophie it get stored on your internal HD, but then you must syncronise it with PSN, and after you have done that it will be there forever, even if you buy a new PS3, or change your HD, once you log into PSN and syncronise again all the trophies will be there.
 
Up to level 6 with trophies and I to have never seen a 'you did not earn a trophy' message (and I'm around 40-50% with Burnout).

I also think they add to the value of a game rather than diminish it. Two prime examples are LBP and COD:WaW. LBP has seen some seriously creative levels created with the sole aim of getting trophies, now some may consider that to be cheap/cheating, but keep in mind no one forces you to play them. They are however serious well designed and thought out user created content. So in this example trophies are directly driving the playing and use of the game.

The other example is Call of Duty World at War, I've found myself going back to complete parts of the story mission again just to get some of the well thought out and challenging trophies (Uncharted and Battlefield have done similar things via trophies, hell so has Burnout).

In regard to the OPs point, I have to agree that this most likely a syncronsation issue and going on-line and syncing in the trophies should fix it.


Regards

Scaff
 
LBP has seen some seriously creative levels created with the sole aim of getting trophies, now some may consider that to be cheap/cheating, but keep in mind no one forces you to play them. They are however serious well designed and thought out user created content. So in this example trophies are directly driving the playing and use of the game.

Sorry to be off topic but that is one thing that concerns me with trophies specifically with LBP and any future games that involve user created content. In order to earn certain trophies in lbp you essentially rely on others to get you the trophy. Not yourself. Yes you are the one that creates the level hence its in your hands if you make a level that people want to play. But you can just as easily create a masterful level and have hardly anyone play it so not get rewarded (especially with the flood of not so good levels that may put some people off from playing all the levels out there). This especially becomes a problem for anyone who goes to play lbp in a years time when it isn't so popular.

Anyhow I am up to level 4 so far in trophies and am yet to get a message saying I have no earned a trophy and have not lost any trophies yet.

Cheers
John
 
Thanks for all the help, Ill try and sync my PS3 with the PSN tommorow and see if that helps. I post either way at the results.

I rarely go online becuase I have to use internet sharing, and have to hook up my PS3 to a tiny portable tv in my room, and to go on online is just not worth the hassle.

Scaff, I notice that you live in the UK, and was wondering what internet ISP you use / would recommond for online gaming. In a few months we are looking to change ISP, and was wondering what which the best is for online gaming.

Thanks for all the help,

Super_Spig
 
Thanks for all the help, Ill try and sync my PS3 with the PSN tommorow and see if that helps. I post either way at the results.

I rarely go online becuase I have to use internet sharing, and have to hook up my PS3 to a tiny portable tv in my room, and to go on online is just not worth the hassle.

Scaff, I notice that you live in the UK, and was wondering what internet ISP you use / would recommond for online gaming. In a few months we are looking to change ISP, and was wondering what which the best is for online gaming.

Thanks for all the help,

Super_Spig


I'm fortunate to live in an area that is covered by cable (fibre-optic) so my ISP is Virgin (formally NTL). I've got a 10meg connection which costs about £25 a month, its been faultless (which is critical as I work from home around 50% of the time) and perfect for gaming.

If you can go cable I would wholeheartedly recommend it.


Regards

Scaff
 
Trophies suck, they're unnecessary and they do only work how they please... I got 2 'you did not earn a trophy' today, wtf?
I really wish their was a option to turn that nonsense OFF, only annoying and destroys gaming experience pretty much imo. :yuck:

*adds to ignore list*
 
Scaff,

I've done a bit of research about broadband, and found that quite alot of companies have a fair usage policy.

Have you been affected by the fair usage policy, or has it all been plain sailing?

I’ve just checked on the Virgin Media website, and I'm in a cabled area :) And they've got a discount on all packages for the first six months :sly:

Right, time to talk to my Dad...

Thanks,

Super_Spig
 
Scaff,

I've done a bit of research about broadband, and found that quite alot of companies have a fair usage policy.

Have you been affected by the fair usage policy, or has it all been plain sailing?

I’ve just checked on the Virgin Media website, and I'm in a cabled area :) And they've got a discount on all packages for the first six months :sly:

Right, time to talk to my Dad...

Thanks,

Super_Spig

Virgin does have a fair usage policy, but I must confess that I've never suffered from a problem with it at all.

I do have some friends who have had a nightmare with a few companies in regard to fair usage and the PS3 (with Tiscali and Talk Talk being two). I was with Tiscali when I first got my PS3 and they actively blocked access to PSN during peak hours, left them very quickly indeed.

If you can get cable broadband I would strongly recommend it, you get what you pay for in terms of speed and NTL/Virgin have provided me with a nice solid, reliable connection.


Regards

Scaff
 
*adds to ignore list*
cool, if you don't agree with someones opinion just *ignore list *... 👍

Up to level 6 with trophies and I to have never seen a 'you did not earn a trophy' message (and I'm around 40-50% with Burnout).

I also think they add to the value of a game rather than diminish it. Two prime examples are LBP and COD:WaW. LBP has seen some seriously creative levels created with the sole aim of getting trophies, now some may consider that to be cheap/cheating, but keep in mind no one forces you to play them. They are however serious well designed and thought out user created content. So in this example trophies are directly driving the playing and use of the game.

The other example is Call of Duty World at War, I've found myself going back to complete parts of the story mission again just to get some of the well thought out and challenging trophies (Uncharted and Battlefield have done similar things via trophies, hell so has Burnout).

In regard to the OPs point, I have to agree that this most likely a syncronsation issue and going on-line and syncing in the trophies should fix it.


Regards

Scaff

Ok, I could replicate the error and I'm pretty certain now what causes it (and it doesn't help me in liking this whole trophy thing more, however)...
I copied my gamesave to another account and I think this disables you to get trophies at all, because I did get this message for trophies I haven't done before. Easy as that.

I'm aware this can also be a good thing, but I really do not like it and the possible problems coming with this kind of 'protection'. :boggled:
 
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Ok, I could replicate the error and I'm pretty certain now what causes it (and it doesn't help me in liking this whole trophy thing more, however)...
I copied my gamesave to another account and I think this disables you to get trophies at all, because I did get this message for trophies I haven't done before. Easy as that.

I'm aware this can also be a good thing, but I really do not like it and the possible problems coming with this kind of 'protection'. :boggled:

What possible problems?

The principal of not being able to unlock trophies from a copied game save was designed in from the start (and announced from the start) and stops trophies suffering from one of the biggest problems with the 360s achievements system. That of people buying game saves to boost their points, you see someone with a Platinum trophy on PSN and you know they have earned it and not bought it.

I don't personally see that as a problem at all, quite the opposite.


Regards

Scaff
 
Just for a quick update, I haven’t had chance to sync my PS3 to the internet, but I've restarted Burnout and am earning trophies fine.

I thought last night that after I installed firmware 2.5 (the pack where the trophy logo is displayed when earned) is when the trophies disappeared, and thought that this may have something to do with it. Just a thought.

Thanks,

Super_Spig
 
What possible problems?

The principal of not being able to unlock trophies from a copied game save was designed in from the start (and announced from the start) and stops trophies suffering from one of the biggest problems with the 360s achievements system. That of people buying game saves to boost their points, you see someone with a Platinum trophy on PSN and you know they have earned it and not bought it.

I don't personally see that as a problem at all, quite the opposite.


Regards

Scaff

Hmm, knock on wood, but what about when your PS3 breaks and/ or you forgot the pswd or you want to play your gamesave with a friend on his PS3 and then beeing screwed because you cannot earn anymore trophies... etc., etc.?
I know that's a lot ifs and whens, but I just think this hadn't been thought out very well...
 
Hmm, knock on wood, but what about when your PS3 breaks and/ or you forgot the pswd or you want to play your gamesave with a friend on his PS3 and then beeing screwed because you cannot earn anymore trophies... etc., etc.?
I know that's a lot ifs and whens, but I just think this hadn't been thought out very well...

Well if you PS3 breaks and you get a replacement you sign back in and away you go, trophy info is stored on-line as part of your PSN profile. A broken PS3 does not lose trophies.

Password reminders can be sent to the e-mail account that the PSN account was set-up for, if you forget you e-mail account then you are screwed, but lets be honest we are getting to the point of silly here.

Want to play your gamesave at a friends house, simply sign-in as your self and away you go, deleting the account and deactivating it when you leave takes but a few seconds.


Sorry but this system has actually be very well thought out and totally avoids the massive issues that the 360's achievement have in regard to simply using another persons save to get achievements.

I regularly play on my brothers and a friends PS3's (in addition to my own) and can vouch that the above are both quick and easy to do.


Regards

Scaff
 
Fair enough, I think your right, if you follow those instructions.
I knew the trophies are tied to your account, but I didn't know it would work with a replacement PS3. 👍
 
Hmm, knock on wood, but what about when your PS3 breaks and/ or you forgot the pswd or you want to play your gamesave with a friend on his PS3 and then beeing screwed because you cannot earn anymore trophies... etc., etc.?
I know that's a lot ifs and whens, but I just think this hadn't been thought out very well...

Please don't take this the wrong way, but this is like the third or fourth thread I have now seen you post in over a realtively short amount of time, making some pretty critical remarks about the PS3 that have been untrue.

Granted, after it has been pointed out to you that you were mistaken, you always are good about recognizing the fact, but I can't help but wonder if the reason you have been so critical of the PS3 in certain situations may have a lot less to do with the PS3 and a lot more do to how little you apparently know about what the PS3 can and cannot do. :indiff:

Maybe this info may help you next time you think there is a problem with the PS3 or if you honestly think it wasn’t well thought out:

The physical manual is quite good, but the online manuals for the PS3 are even better! In fact, Sony has a direct link to the PS3's system software user guide from every PS3 located at the top of the Network menu bar in the XMB.

I also recommend you bookmark it in your PC's browser, here is the direct link as well as some other useful links:

In addition to all that, Sony also put together a very nice detailed guide to the PS3:

If you have ever had any question about anything to do with the PS3, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find an answer in a short amount of time among any number of those links. 👍

In addition, Wiki has several very informative listings regarding the PS3:

There are also several dedicated threads on GTP in the PS3 forum with lots of info, guides, and tips on using the PS3. Here are just a couple:

I have nothing against anyone being critical, or personally not liking the PS3 or any product for that matter, but it does bother me when people criticize or even praise a product that they not only do not know very well, but are wrong and would have easily known that if they had simply taken a little bit of time to make sure they were right before posting.

I hope the next time you are about to post what you think is a problem with the PS3, that maybe you'll consider checking out some of these references that might specifically shed light on what you believe is an issue, that perhaps isn't an issue at all.

Thanks! 👍
 
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^^ I'll try to keep that in mind. 👍

One thing I don't get is the issue about copy protected gamesaves though.. the only way to 'save' them seems to be making a complete backup to an external HDD, right?
If so i need to do that soon, and i'm not amused(because i really don't need a external HDD otherwise ) lol
 
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One thing I don't get is the issue about copy protected gamesaves though.. the only way to 'save' them seems to be making a complete backup to an external HDD, right?
If so i need to do that soon, and i'm not amused(because i really don't need a external HDD otherwise ) lol
I have never come across a single game save that I couldn't copy. Do you have an example of an actual copy protected gamesave that can not be copied?
 
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I have never come across a single game save that I couldn't copy. Do you have an example of an actual copy protected gamesave that can not be copied?

Really? well than that's maybe a good example that you can't find all 'features' in a manual. ;)
Here you go: NFS Carbon, NFS Prostreet, Motorstorm2... all with 'copy prohibited', there are MORE, but don't remember them atm.
While I really don't want to talk bad about the PS3 there are of course some issues, wether it due not knowing it better or due limitations of hard & software.
BTW as far I know those 'saves' aren't even saved when you make a backup on a HDD(not entirely sure about that).
 
Really? well than that's maybe a good example that you can't find all 'features' in a manual. ;)
Here you go: NFS Carbon, NFS Prostreet, Motorstorm2... all with 'copy prohibited', there are MORE, but don't remember them atm.
While I really don't want to talk bad about the PS3 there are of course some issues, wether it due not knowing it better or due limitations of hard & software.
No one is saying the PS3 is perfect, its simply been pointed out that you have stated a few things as being true that have not been.



BTW as far I know those 'saves' aren't even saved when you make a backup on a HDD(not entirely sure about that).
Copy protected game saves are copied across when you back-up to an external HDD. I know this one because I did just that when I fitted my 160gig internal drive. F1:CE is a copy protected save and that transferred fine (a few others as well but that's the only one I can recall off the top of my head).

Regards

Scaff
 
No one is saying the PS3 is perfect, its simply been pointed out that you have stated a few things as being true that have not been.
Copy protected game saves are copied across when you back-up to an external HDD. I know this one because I did just that when I fitted my 160gig internal drive. F1:CE is a copy protected save and that transferred fine (a few others as well but that's the only one I can recall off the top of my head).

Regards

Scaff
Thanks, that's somewhat good news for me then. 👍
But seriously, i have to buy an external HDD and an internal if I want to upgrade my PS3 (say to 160GB) and want to keep my copy protected game saves and/or settings?
Sorry I don't get it... (no joke)
 
Really? well than that's maybe a good example that you can't find all 'features' in a manual. ;)
That statement makes no sense. Not only is a list of games not a "feature", but the manual DOES mention copyright protected files.

Please, let's not try not to muddy the waters any more than it already is.


Here you go: NFS Carbon, NFS Prostreet, Motorstorm2... all with 'copy prohibited', there are MORE, but don't remember them atm.
First of all there are over two hundred games for the PS3... you've so far listed three. That's less than 5%... hardly earth shattering assuming you are correct.

Second of all, what do you mean by copy prohibited?

I don't own NFS Carbon or NFS Prostreet... (and based on what I have seen and the gameplay I seriously doubt I ever would), but I do have MS2, so I'll try and make a copy of my game save, start a new game, then replace it with the game save and see if it works. I suspect it will work fine.

Now maybe you are talking about game saves that are locked (not copy prohibited) to the player who started it... which are not only rare (I should know as I started a thread on the subject a long time ago), but they have nothing to do with the PS3:
However, in those rare cases it was the developer of the game that decided to make the game save locked to the creator... perhaps they wanted to encourage people to actually play through the game rather than use someone eleses game save... If you're curious, or angry about that, I suggest you contact those developers.

Sorry I don't get it... (no joke)
 
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That statement makes no sense. Not only is a list of games not a "feature", but the manual DOES mention copyright protected files.

Please, let's not try not to muddy the waters any more than it already is.
But a copy protection is,is not?

Yes, the manual says something about copyright protected files, but not in a way you would think they're talking about gamesaves.


First of all there are over two hundred games for the PS3... you've so far listed three. That's less than 5%... hardly earth shattering assuming you are correct.
Assuming that you've read what Scaff said it's already 4 games and as I said there are more ( and more to come for sure)!

How is it so hard to understanding that if you've played a game for over two years, friggling every tiny part of it to your liking and put literally thousands of hours hard work into it, you're slightly disappointed, to say the least, when you must recognise that you cannot make a backup save of it!? - Granted not without buying an extra harddrive.
Second of all, what do you mean by copy prohibited?
Ok that just shows that you're trying to twist the words in my mouth as far as possible. By "copy prohibited" I mean copying is not allowed!
I don't own NFS Carbon or NFS Prostreet... (and based on what I have seen and the gameplay I seriously doubt I ever would), but I do have MS2, so I'll try and make a copy of my game save, start a new game, then replace it with the game save and see if it works. I suspect it will work fine.
Looking forward to it.
Now maybe you are talking about game saves that are locked (not copy prohibited) to the player who started it... which are not only rare (I should know as I started a thread on the subject a long time ago), but they have nothing to do with the PS3:
However, in those rare cases it was the developer of the game that decided to make the game save locked to the creator... perhaps they wanted to encourage people to actually play through the game rather than use someone eleses game save... If you're curious, or angry about that, I suggest you contact those developers.
Now that doesn't make any sense, especially claiming PS3 gamesaves have nothing to do with PS3...


Sorry I don't get it... (no joke)

I agree.
 
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But a copy protection is,is not?
I never said that. I said a list of games isn't, and to add, copy protection is an option for developers and copyright holders, is it not?


Yes, the manual says something about copyright protected files, but not in a way you would think they're talking about gamesaves.
Really? So explain this then:

From the PS3 System User Guide... you know, the same one that you can jump to from every PS3:

Under the GAME category:

Copying saved data to storage media (making a backup)

Some saved data cannot be copied.


Assuming that you've read what Scaff said it's already 4 games and as I said there are more ( and more to come for sure)!
That's STILL less than 5%... and I know for a fact I can copy F1CE game saves and use them for the account that started them... and I suspect the same is true for the other games you mentioned.


Ok that just shows that you're trying to twist the words in my mouth as far as possible.
No twisting words, simply pointing out how mistaken you are, or at the very least trying to get you to be specific and clear instead of vague and misleading.


By "copy prohibited" I mean copying is not allowed!
Then you are again mistaken. You most certainly can COPY game saves. As I said already, it sounds like you are confusing "copy" with "locked"... but seeing as you have yet to respond to that inquiry we are still left to guess what exactly you mean, and accurate and precise examples where you are unable to "copy" a game save. However, seeing as you continue to emphasize "copy" and ignore "locked", one must assume you do know the difference, which then further suggests you are indeed mistaken.

Yes, there are a small fraction of games where the developer, not Sony, nor the PS3 has chosen to "lock" the game saves so that while they still can be copied, only the original creator of the game can use them.

Is any of this making any sense to you now?
 
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I never said that. I said a list of games isn't, and to add, copy protection is an option for developers and copyright holders, is it not?



Really? So explain this then:

From the PS3 System User Guide... you know, the same one that you can jump to from every PS3:

Under the GAME category:


Quote:
Some saved data cannot be copied.
Quote:
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Yes, the manual says something about copyright protected files, but not in a way you would think they're talking about gamesaves.


That's STILL less than 5%... and I know for a fact I can copy F1CE game saves and use them for the account that started them... and I suspect the same is true for the other games you mentioned.


No twisting words, simply pointing out how mistaken you are, or at the very least trying to get you to be specific and clear instead of vague and misleading.
You are doing it again. How is it important which games exactly have the copy protection? Those I've mentioned pretty clear, do have it. You need a picture to believe me or what?
Go ahead, copy your MS2 save and tell me about it.👍

Then you are again mistaken. You most certainly can COPY game saves. As I said already, it sounds like you are confusing "copy" with "locked"... but seeing as you have yet to respond to that inquiry we are still left to guess what exactly you mean, and accurate and precise examples where you are unable to "copy" a game save. However, seeing as you continue to emphasize "copy" and ignore "locked", one must assume you do know the difference, which then further suggests you are indeed mistaken.

Yes, there are a small fraction of games where the developer, not Sony, nor the PS3 has chosen to "lock" the game saves so that while they still can be copied, only the original creator of the game can use them.

Is any of this making any sense to you now?

Twisting my words again ( you are good at ). I said copy protection (which means copying is prohibited) and you say "locked", two completely different things as far as I'm concerned...

Further why exactly does it matter if SONY, or the PS3 itself (which is technically impossible btw) or the game developers have choosen to copy protect MY gamessaves, when the the effect is always the same I wonder...

Is it even possible that you've been mistaken for once?
 
You clearly are just trolling now... especially when in light of the obviously painful fact that it CLEARLY says, as linked AND quoted, under the Game category in the User guide that some saved data can not be copied... yet miraculously you are STILL unable to think that it has anything to do with a game save... wow. :eek:

Geez. I'm sorry I tried to help, clearly inlight of your past posts in all those other threads and now this, you have some kind of agenda and no interest in facts.
 
you have some kind of agenda and no interest in facts.
No, that is true for you.
I'm on inquiery for something I'm not responsible for.
I didn't say something about locking files to a PSN account, I was only talking about COPY protection and you still say you've never come across one, even if you have MS2 which clearly has the same copy protection as the NFS games.
Why don't you just try it out?

No, you won't, because then you had to admit you were wrong.:crazy:
 
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The "Network Data" save file for Devil May Cry 4 cannot be copied individually to any external storage device (or any other user on the PS3 for that matter). When you look at the details of the save data, next to Lock it says Copying Prohibited. If you try to copy it, you immediately get an error: "Copying of this saved data is not allowed."

As has already been mentioned though, these files will be copied when a full backup it performed, but that also means all the Game Installs and Demos are copied too, which is overkill in most cases.

Even if Sony is totally against allowing a user to individually copy these files, it would be nice if they had a "Backup Save Data" option, which only backed up game saves. That would save considerable space (and time)!

Talking about DMC4 more specifically - the Network Data (IIRC) is automatically generated when you sign in to the PSN and start the game, so it's no big loss for this particular game. The normal DMC4 save data can be copied freely to any other local user on the PS3 or external storage device, however if it is loaded by a different user there will be a prompt stating that stat tracking or some multiplayer\community features will be disabled. I can't remember exactly what it says, it's been so long since I've played it. :)

Anyway, the point of this post was to confirm that some games do indeed have save data which cannot be copied\backed up at all, except with a full system backup.
 

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