Trying to learn the suspension

[PTK]

No. I don't like the way that was stated. Beside the fact that I have learned all of this since the game came out and I believe that you all should spend the same amount of time as I did to learn it all.

All good indy tuners who have spent the time just like I have can see the incorrectness. I don't need to help you, I can do whatever I want, and if you should come back with some witty remark like you just did, I really can careless because I know whats wrong and you don't. That's it...

 

[eightlives]

No. I don't like the way that was stated. Beside the fact that I have learned all of this since the game came out and I believe that you all should spend the same amount of time as I did to learn it all.

Exactly, why the hell should any of us give out information that we have had to figure out on our own.

You may want to screw your hand back the on, uv been pating youself on the back a little too much.

Im pretty sure you didnt help because you had no valid info to provide anyone.

Hellofa job by slump by far. I look forward to the update.

Of course PTK has no valid information to provide anyone he is only one of the faster 1/4mile dragers out there

Shift, when I think of you I think of a very old saying.
"Why don't you take a long walk, off a short pier."

 

[PTK]

You may want to screw your hand back on, uv been pating youself on the back a little too much.

Im pretty sure you didnt help because you had no valid info to provide anyone.

Hellofa job by slump by far. I look forward to the update.

Yea, your right, I know nothing...

Shift, when I think of you I think of a very old saying.
"Why don't you take a long walk, off a short pier."

Haha so true...

 

[dr_slump]

All good indy tuners who have spent the time just like I have can see the incorrectness. I don't need to help you, I can do whatever I want, and if you should come back with some witty remark like you just did, I really can careless because I know whats wrong and you don't. That's it...

First, that's weak in my eyes.
I also don't expect that you tell me what the correct way is or how to get the best results. No! You don't have to tell me your secrets.
I just want to know what and why that what I wrote is/should be wrong. Just saying how bad the work is isn't nice.

 

[PTK]

Cool story bro! And now you could go a step forward and tell us what's so completely wrong.

This.

First, that's weak in my eyes.
I also don't expect that you tell me what the correct way is or how to get the best results. No!
I just want to know what and why that what I wrote is/should be wrong. Just saying how bad the work is isn't smart.

I never said, "bad work." Its not correct, the indy part. Also I never said that the SSR7 part was bad either, at all. And I see nothing wrong with people learning it themselves just like all well known indy tuners have had to do on their own.

 

[dr_slump]

I never said, "bad work." Its not correct, the indy part. Also I never said that the SSR7 part was bad either, at all. And I see nothing wrong with people learning it themselves just like all well known indy tuners have had to do on their own.

-.- And why don't you just ignore it when you've nothing really to say?
Just to tell everyone how good you are and how bad the others? No? Well, to be honest, it looks so.

 

[PTK]

-.- And why don't you just ignore it when you've nothing really to say?
Just to tell everyone how good you are and how bad the others? No? Well, to be honest, it looks so.

Im just letting you know that its incorrect. That's all. I don't need to brag, because "they know.""

 

[dr_slump]

Hardly.....
You can hardly know what for an impression I get when I read your posts above.
And I'm one of "they", but not you. Think about it.

 

[PTK]

And I'm one of "they", but not you. Think about it.

In the tunnel that is... not at indy. Think about that both ways...

 

[shiftgearateer]

-.- And why don't you just ignore it when you've nothing really to say?
Just to tell everyone how good you are and how bad the others? No? Well, to be honest, it looks so.

Exactly...all I asked for was the definition of all the parts and your info helped me figure out what I should do and why the suspension is there.

Its not like you gave me actual tune numbers and settings. if you tell me the suspension needs to be like this, than its up to me to figure the rest.

Now that I know what every part on the suspension does, it makes the system real simple. Now to do a lot of test runs while figuring the numbers.

 

[PTK]

Now that I know what every part on the suspension does, it makes the system real simple. Now to do a lot of test runs while figuring the numbers.

Finally you understand! Do it yourself! TEST! Like we all have done in the past. 👍

 

[dr_slump]

@ptk
What are you actually trying to prove here?

And please don't try to deflect this time with that childish 🤬.
For me it's pretty lame to badmouth the work of someone else, without any backup.

If you're not ready to discuss about something, then is GTP probably the wrong place for you, it's a forum and not your pantheon.

Take it a bit more serious!

 

[Simple Matt]

@ptk
What are you actually trying to prove here?

And please don't try to deflect this time with that childish 🤬.
For me it's pretty lame to badmouth the work of someone else, without any backup.

If you're not ready to discuss about something, then is GTP probably the wrong place for you, it's a forum and not your pantheon.

Take it a bit more serious!

Yo.. Give the kid a break ey.. He's in the middle of his finals and you guys are on here giving him **** (I don't know how to censor on my phone.. Sorry mods).

Slump, you are a HIGHLY respected tunnel tuner, you know how to make the most out of many cars thru the tunnel.. But as ptk was saying.. Some info you got for Indy may have been off.. If you need or want to, get some pro Indy tuner to help fill in the blanks.. That's my two cents

 

[dr_slump]

Yo.. Give the kid a break ey.. He's in the middle of his finals and you guys are on here giving him **** (I don't know how to censor on my phone.. Sorry mods).

Slump, you are a HIGHLY respected tunnel tuner, you know how to make the most out of many cars thru the tunnel.. But as ptk was saying.. Some info you got for Indy may have been off.. If you need or want to, get some pro Indy tuner to help fill in the blanks.. That's my two cents

Just tell my what's wrong, so that I can think about and rework it. Not what would be better. I just can't really believe that everything is wrong.

Ride Height? Spring rates? Dampers? What's definitely wrong!?

 

[Simple Matt]

Just tell my what's wrong, so that I can think about and rework it. Not what would be better. I just can't really believe that everything is wrong.

Bro, I'm not a pro but I can still help you if you want I'll try figure out what's wrong and I'll consult some Indy guys and get back to you if you want

 

[PTK]

Yo.. Give the kid a break ey.. He's in the middle of his finals and you guys are on here giving him **** (I don't know how to censor on my phone.. Sorry mods).

Slump, you are a HIGHLY respected tunnel tuner, you know how to make the most out of many cars thru the tunnel.. But as ptk was saying.. Some info you got for Indy may have been off.. If you need or want to, get some pro Indy tuner to help fill in the blanks.. That's my two cents

Thank-you.

Just tell my what's wrong, so that I can think about and rework it. Not what would be better. I just can't really believe that everything is wrong.

Ride Height? Spring rates? Dampers? What's definitely wrong!?

I can't tell you what is incorrect, (not wrong) because if I told you what was incorrect (not wrong) then it would be against what you just said up there^. If it was correct, it would be the best results, and that is what indy tuners have been tuning for this whole time, just like tunnel tuners, the best settings. Spring rates, dampers, camber, toe, are incorrect, not wrong. I don't expect you to have the answers because you aren't an indy tuner. And you took it too personally in that other post that I didn't quote... Done, thats all. Im not posting regarding this any longer.

 

[dr_slump]

Bro, I'm not a pro but I can still help you if you want I'll try figure out what's wrong and I'll consult some Indy guys and get back to you if you want

Ehhmm what? You said my info is a bit off and now you've to figure it out first? That makes no sense. Explain please!

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I know that it's possible to complain about the most I wrote. But that's tuning.

The dampers as example:
I said that weight transfer doesn't seem to work and following you don't have to set dampers for max. weight transfer. I tested it (Indy and Tunnel) and that's my conclusion. I KNOW that the most people believe the opposite and are 100% sure that they're right. But I don't care(doesn't mean I don't respect it) what the majority thinks, I have my own opinion. And that's what I posted. But I'm ready to change my mind, when I see facts.


Facts is the word.

How often have we thought that we found something? Something logical, something that just must be right? And then we tried it as long as we finally believed it, even if it wasn't better or at the end even worse?

How many things have we tried in the last months to get just that little bit extra grip and how big is acually the improvement? Is it noticeable? Or do we just imagine it....

Let's be honest: The biggest part of our "genious" knowledge is just a collection of not more than conjectures. Facts are rare, and if we have them, then they're usually rather superficial.


My thoughts..........

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Yes, it would be great if you could tell me which points I could improve/ have to rework.

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I don't expect you to have the answers because you aren't an indy tuner.

For me it looks like you think Indy tuners are something special/better.

Well, thanks for your honesty.

 

[Simple Matt]

Ehhmm what? You said my info is a bit off and now you've to figure it out first? That makes no sense. Explain please!

FACTS IS THE WORDS

Did you read my first post.. I said "as ptk said" just settle down man

 

[dr_slump]

Did you read my first post.. I said "as ptk said" just settle down man

Ok, I was a bit confused.

Anyway, the facts part was not related to you. Sorry for that! (double misunderstanding )
I edited it a bit, it should be clear now.

It's a great offer from your side.

 

[PTK]

For me it looks like you think Indy tuners are something special/better.

Well, thanks for your honesty.

Well, I guess I will have to post again to clear this point up. I never said that. Im just stating that Indy tuners know more about Indy tuning, which is obvious.

One of my good friends spurred me on to this.

 

[dr_slump]

Well, I guess I will have to post again to clear this point up. I never said that. Im just stating that Indy tuners know more about Indy tuning, which is obvious.

One of my good friends spurred me on to this.

Clarify Indy tuning.

I think the mainproblem is that you think we tunnel tuners always tune the suspension for topspeed. But that's not correct! Some cars wouldn't profitate from it and need as much grip as possible. The only big difference between a max. grip tunnel tuned suspension and an Indy one would be the toe number then. I'm sorry to disappoint you, we have the same goal then as if we were tuning for Indy. And no, I don't want to complain about who's better, that's not the point here in this thread.

 

[Simple Matt]

@dr_slump.. Bro I'm Australia... We are the most chilled people out and it's cool man haha.. I misunderstand things everyday ahahahaha.. But that's mine and my psychiatrist's problem

 

[KRAVENRAW]

Exactly...all I asked for was the definition of all the parts and your info helped me figure out what I should do and why the suspension is there.

When U go to your settings of any part of a car there is a little yellow box with a question mark in it...i suggest you click on it and start reading...

We shouldnt hand information over on a silver platter to these people...the things you say, are just common knowledge, really isnt because PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ...."Hey just put your trans to this and your suspention to this and go from there".....thats dumb...all these "garages" give people more of a hand out than you think....everyone is getting trained to just ask and get ways of tuning instead of working for it....

Alot of the people on here make me sick. Asking for stuff over and over and OVER again and eventually get it a little at a time....I have helped alot of people, cuz i was one of the first drag racers and didnt know any better, but it always came back to bite me so I quit helping ...I have waisted alot of my hard work on many people who you think are fast and beat you today but wont tell U who made them fast...

Quit giving info to TOM DICK and HARRY

that is all thank you

 

[shiftgearateer]

When U go to your settings of any part of a car there is a little yellow box with a question mark in it...i suggest you click on it and start reading...

We shouldnt hand information over on a silver platter to these people...the things you say, are just common knowledge, really isnt because PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ...."Hey just put your trans to this and your suspention to this and go from there".....thats dumb...all these "garages" give people more of a hand out than you think....everyone is getting trained to just ask and get ways of tuning instead of working for it....

Alot of the people on here make me sick. Asking for stuff over and over and OVER again and eventually get it a little at a time....I have helped alot of people, cuz i was one of the first drag racers and didnt know any better, but it always came back to bite me so I quit helping ...I have waisted alot of my hard work on many people who you think are fast and beat you today but wont tell U who made them fast...

Quit giving info to TOM DICK and HARRY

that is all thank you

Why you got to call names bro?

I only received the crust from around the pie. Not the whole pie.

Some of you people need to get ahold of yourselves.

It seems that you and ptk are having trouble understanding whats going on here overall.

 

[PTK]

Clarify Indy tuning.

I think the mainproblem is that you think we tunnel tuners always tune the suspension for topspeed. But that's not correct! Some cars wouldn't profitate from it and need as much grip as possible. The only big difference between a max. grip tunnel tuned suspension and an Indy one would be the toe number then. I'm sorry to disappoint you, we have the same goal then as if we were tuning for Indy. And no, I don't want to complain about who's better, that's not the point here in this thread.

Ok that's fine, if that's the way that you tune for tunnel. However, our dampers, toe, spring rate, bars, are different from your tunnel tuning description for max grip. I'm not disappointed at all, from my brief tunnel experiences over the last week, I have learned a few things on my own and it is like an Indy tuned suspension but modified for some cars, but it is definitely different.

 

[shiftgearateer]

Ok that's fine, if that's the way that you tune for tunnel. However, our dampers, toe, spring rate, bars, are different from your tunnel tuning description for max grip. I'm not disappointed at all, from my brief tunnel experiences over the last week, I have learned a few things on my own and it is like an Indy tuned suspension but modified for some cars, but it is definitely different.

We know you just cant go wrong.

Everything you say go's.

: turns over the page to see whatelse is new:

 

[PTK]

We know you just cant go wrong.

Everything you say go's.

: turns over the page to see whatelse is new:

EDIT: Nevermind.. I dont even want to get into it again. Its a waste of my time and too much anxiety... please dont come back with some smart remark, I dont care to hear it.

 

[Simple Matt]

EDIT: Nevermind.. I dont even want to get into it again. Its a waste of my time and too much anxiety... please dont come back with some smart remark, I dont care to hear it.

Don't worry ptk... Remember that a lot of the people on GTP are still kids.. Not having a shot at anyone but with all the excitement going on, people become confused and angry.. Remember guys.. It's a game.. If you don't get a world bearing tune.. Don't worry.. There are THOUSANDS of people in the exact same boat.. Just keep playing GT5 for the reason it was made... To have a REALISTIC driving experience.. And in reality.. Not everyone is the fastest in the world..

 

[eightlives]

I just don't understand how it is so difficult for people to understand that the people that know what to do and have become good at tuning cars don't want to just give over information to random people who ask.

This is so typical of the way our world is now a days, people ask for hand-outs and when they don't get them they b:censored:h about the people who have what they want.


GO FIGURE IT OUT ON YOUR OWN

We all had to.

 

[yumadbroski]

i help people who try or understand tuning or have "paid their dues" and have already been tuning

i help them here on gtp or in the game itself

i dont tune with a team so my tunes arent team confidential