turbo over superchargers?

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Originally posted by boostcreep
Maybe that festiva had one of those Mazda turbo 4's (I forget the engine code) dropped into it? That swap is starting to get more popular.
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Ford Festiva (US only) = Mazda 121 (US only) = Kia Pride.

911 was talking about a Ford Fiesta (EU only), which in later years was also a Mazda 121 (EU only), but never a Kia Pride.

Ford Fiesta = class.
Ford Festiva = ass.
 
Originally posted by Famine
Ford Festiva (US only) = Mazda 121 (US only) = Kia Pride.

911 was talking about a Ford Fiesta (EU only), which in later years was also a Mazda 121 (EU only), but never a Kia Pride.

Ford Fiesta = class.
Ford Festiva = ass.
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Someone has a Kia pride a few roads away from me. I wonder if the 2.0 turbo lump from the Focus RS would go into the current gen fiesta. That would make a great sleeper, especially with it's non-offensive looks.
 
Originally posted by Monster7
Your wrong.

It all depends on the turbine wheel size/a.r on the turbo(s). Go drive a turbocharged car that was built within the last decade, then come back and make a reply.
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LOL, you were way off my reasoning. I meant that since any aftermarket turbo has to have a CARB EO number (at least if ur in California), they are not easily used on the street. BTW, I already know that a turbo with smaller compression and exhaust turbines will offer a more consistent horsepower and torque curve. See, Im not a total dumbass, am I?:)

P.S:I am ashamed that you used the Subaru motto for the 3000GT. That car doesn't even deserve to be put in the same sentence as the Subaru WRX
 
Originally posted by ExigeExcel
Now just to confirm im right, turbos work on a turbine and are powered by the exhaust system. And superchargers are powered directley off the transmission.
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Is it the transmission? I always thought it was running off the crank.... Am I just :confused: :dunce:

I would have to back up Monster on turbos being absolutely streetable. Turbos seem to be getting more and more common. Look at Subaru for example. The Impreza WRX, and Impreza WRX STi all have turbos. Heck, I believe Subaru made a MY94 Legacy (XT, I think) and it had a turbo in it. Audi, DSMs, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Saab, and lots more are using turbos. It doesn't seem like such an uncommon thing anymore. It's also not like a lot of these cars are using huge PSI pumping turbos. Just a few numbers that I remember off the top of my head:

The sound of a turbocharger sucking, and spinning, and releasing is always welcomed. :D

The only times I've heard people complain about their turbos isn't that it's a bother on street, but rather in not-so often situations. While you see them all the time in SCCA Solo IIs, their turbo lag isn't always favorable. Also, I believe C&D reported a horridly slow top-gear acceleration for the Evo VIII. It was something like a 5th gear "jog" from 30mph to 50mph (unsure of the speeds used). In comparison to the STi and a 350Z it was very slow. But if you have a Evolution VIII, when are you going to be doing that? If you are, give me your keys. Now.

I have nothing against superchargers. A Grand Prix (I think), literally, went screaming by me one day. Also, a Mini Cooper S has a delightful little whine that sort of fits it's face. :)
 
Originally posted by Famine
Ford Festiva (US only) = Mazda 121 (US only) = Kia Pride.

911 was talking about a Ford Fiesta (EU only), which in later years was also a Mazda 121 (EU only), but never a Kia Pride.

Ford Fiesta = class.
Ford Festiva = ass.
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Gotcha. Sorry about that, I didn't know of the Fiesta, I thought it was a type-o.

Originally posted by NISMOskyline

P.S:I am ashamed that you used the Subaru motto for the 3000GT. That car doesn't even deserve to be put in the same sentence as the Subaru WRX
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You had a perfectly sound post and then you threw that in there. Check out 3si.org, you might realize how horribly wrong you are about speaking negatively of the 3000GT. Sure they're stuck with relatively small stock turbos and weigh an awful lot, but they're great cars, and can "hold their own" against more than you'd think. Plus, the turbo's aren't even that small, and Mitsu makes plenty of easy bolt-on-able upgrades (13g, 15g).
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
...if you have an adjustable wastegate, which not all turbo cars have. Certainly not stock.
:rolleyes: yourself.
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Back to your post that started this mess.

All turbo cars do in fact have a wastegate that is adjustable. To regulate the boost that the wastegate holds, you will need an aftermarket manual/electronic boost controller.

Got it this time duke?
 
Originally posted by boostcreep
Gotcha. Sorry about that, I didn't know of the Fiesta, I thought it was a type-o.


You had a perfectly sound post and then you threw that in there. Check out 3si.org, you might realize how horribly wrong you are about speaking negatively of the 3000GT. Sure they're stuck with relatively small stock turbos and weigh an awful lot, but they're great cars, and can "hold their own" against more than you'd think. Plus, the turbo's aren't even that small, and Mitsu makes plenty of easy bolt-on-able upgrades (13g, 15g).
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To be fair, 3000GT's are good at drag racing (V6+Twin Turbo=Big Power), but the WRX can hold its own both on the drag strip and the autocross course. I dare you to take a 3000GT on a road course

P.S: If you've never seen a WRX launch off the line in anger, you're leading a very thin life
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic
Is it possible to have both on one engine?
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-yea i think one of my frends says its called a "charger" when a turbo and a supercharger are both used on 1 engine.
-as for lag on turbos i remember seeing jeremy clarkson (top gear) driving a jaguar xj220 and it had about 5 seconds of lag, before the twin turbos finally workd..maybe he was lying???
* i got a question:
is it possible for a car to have a blow off valve w/o turbos/superchagers?
i remember seeing a video with a blow off valve with nos...
:confused:
 
Originally posted by Monster7
Back to your post that started this mess.

All turbo cars do in fact have a wastegate that is adjustable. To regulate the boost that the wastegate holds, you will need an aftermarket manual/electronic boost controller.

Got it this time duke?
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READ YOUR OWN WORDS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED ABOVE.

Are you illiterate, dense, or just stubborn? You just made my point 100% and in its entirety! This is precisely what I've been saying the whole time. You will need to modify the car in order to adjust the boost pressure.

Cheese-and-rice, this isn't rocket science we're discussing. If you can't grasp simple concepts, don't cop such an attitude.

I mean, saying "all cars have adjustable boost pressure if you add a boost controller" is the same as saying "all cars are turbocharged if you add a turbo".
:dunce:
 
Originally posted by 1mic

is it possible for a car to have a blow off valve w/o turbos/superchagers?
i remember seeing a video with a blow off valve with nos...
:confused:
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Yes. A good nitrous system (NOS is brand name, already...) will have a purge solenoid, which is similar to a blowoff valve. This momentarily vents the N20 when the throttle is closed (assuming the button is still being held down) so that it doesn't build up in the intake manifold during shifts, etc. If it didn't, the engine would go extremely lean and likely burn a piston or two.
 
Could've taken a picture under the bonnet (hood u.s. guys) of that fiesta today, if i took a camera to school.....nothing special looking under there so guess those stickers don't mean much.
 
there was also a greedyz sticker on it (forgot, but didn't reckonise it) it didn't really looked riced on teh outside, there were some racer boy seats in it and maybe the back seats out. I'll seer if its there 2 moz, had rugby training 2day
 
I thought purging was so the air before the nitrous in the feed lines got out before someone activated the nitrous, so that the engine woulnd't run rich and bog on takeoff. I guess it's used for both.
 
Originally posted by Race Idiot
Someone has a Kia pride a few roads away from me. I wonder if the 2.0 turbo lump from the Focus RS would go into the current gen fiesta. That would make a great sleeper, especially with it's non-offensive looks.
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The upcoming ST150 Fiesta is a 2.0, so I suspect yes. But the current Mk5 Fiesta is a dog, especially compared to the Mk3/4 chassis which became the Ka and Puma.

We got the Kia Pride, but Americans also got the same car as the Mazda 121/Ford Festiva. Our Mazda 121/Ford Fiesta was a different car. Altogether... :D
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
The least you could do is actually read my damn posts if you're going to get cocky. Where did I mention a turbo car with no waste gate? YES, ALL TURBO CARS - AT LEAST THOSE THAT DON'T INSTANTLY BLOW THE HEADGASKET - HAVE A WASTEGATE. Now, let's take this next part real slow so you follow me:

Not. ALL. Wastegates. Are. User. Adjustable.

Certainly not from within the cabin; but many not really at all, without modification to (like the Grainger valve trick) or replacement of the wastegate.

Got it this time?
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Originally posted by neon_duke if you have an adjustable wastegate, which not all turbo cars have.
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Maybe you should stick to your pre-occupation of moderating teenage kid's from swearing.

I've made my point, it would of been nice if you had one. Feel free to bring your car to our shop any time duke.
Maybe you can teach us mechanics/body shop guys, how to really do things.

Bring a few friends. :lol:
 
Originally posted by Monster7
Maybe you should stick to your pre-occupation of moderating teenage kid's from swearing.

I've made my point, it would of been nice if you had one.
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What was your point again? Because this was mine:
Originally posted by neon_duke
...if you have an adjustable wastegate, which not all turbo cars have. Certainly not stock.
:rolleyes: yourself.
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This is too scary now. Today in EXACTLY the same place as the fiesta was, there was an old style escort with the same sorta stickers! GReddy, Nos and a couple more.....WHY!?!?!?!
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
READ YOUR OWN WORDS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED ABOVE.

I mean, saying "all cars have adjustable boost pressure if you add a boost controller" is the same as saying "all cars are turbocharged if you add a turbo".
:dunce:
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:lol:

This whole exchange is very entertaining.
 
Wasn't it? And he was convinced he won.
:lol:
 
The guy who owns the stickered fiesta drove past me the other day. Not realising that his window was down I said rather loudly,'oh my god, how sad is that'. As you can geuss, he heard me. To prove it wasn't a joke he revved his engine and drove off in a hurry, but im still unconvinced.
 
How did you come across this thread Milefile? Why did you have t start these shinanigans after they ended about a month ago.
 
Originally posted by Monster7
Only a person in your condition would be convinced that I lost.
:lol:
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We'll leave that for the judges to decide. Can we get a ruling here?
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
We'll leave that for the judges to decide. Can we get a ruling here?
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Gonna have to go with Duke here. The original statement was simply inaccurate and misleading.

It is akin to saying: "All cars have adjustable final drive ratios"
(No, only if you swap out the rear end)

or

"All shocks are adjustable for bump and rebound
(No, only if you have double adjustable shocks)

or

"All computers are on the Internet"
(No, only if you have an ISP and are connected)

etc..


///M-Spec
 
so...that was a very entertaining arguement but now...back on the original topic:

which would be a better choice? Super or Turbo? What about in horse-power limited classes like WRC? They're limited to 300 hp so wouldn't a super handle the job as well as or better than turbo/mis-fire system combo?

Also, why do drifters use turbos if there is lag? wouldn't that make high speed exits a bit awkward?
 
Originally posted by ///M-Spec
Gonna have to go with Duke here. The original statement was simply inaccurate and misleading.

It is akin to saying: "All cars have adjustable final drive ratios"
(No, only if you swap out the rear end)

or

"All shocks are adjustable for bump and rebound
(No, only if you have double adjustable shocks)

or

"All computers are on the Internet"
(No, only if you have an ISP and are connected)

etc..


///M-Spec
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The only thing "inaccurate" and "misleading" was neon_dukes original comment.
Originally posted by neon_duke
...if you have an adjustable wastegate, which not all turbo cars have. Certainly not stock.
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And will "swapping out the rear end, double adjustable shocks, or the internet" cost you $5.00 and let you adjust your boost? Nope.
 
so...I'm guessing this thread is going to be nothing but you 2 flaming eachother so there never will be a response to the questions asked?
 

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