TV options - regular / LCD / plazma - PS2/GT4 advantage?

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where do you get that HD cable(whats it called exactly) from?
 
Cobra S
where do you get that HD cable(whats it called exactly) from?
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it's a set of rgbs and plain old stereo cables. For progressive scan televisions.

I don't know if they sell them at retail or if you have to order them from sony.

Nintendo even has a set for the GC, but you have to phone em up and order them.
 
I got mine from Best Buy for either $20 or $30. They are the official Sony Component input connection. Very noticible difference. The text at the beginning of GT3 looks so crisp :)
 
CRT by far produces a better image for a cheaper price. Hands down, no question. It's just the way things are.

But LCD is freaking nice. Especially if you're wanting big stuff. CRT will only get you to 36", that I know of, and LCD takes you up to 70"
 
Conventional TV with S-video is the best solution. LCD refreshrates are to slow and (depends on how big of a screen you have) is limited in resoluton. I know from first hand experience that a conventional TV is still the best solution. Conventional TV (only 50 Hz) with standard cable is still a little bit better than LCD (1280 - 1024 resolution) with S-video.

Don't know much about plasma or HDTV.
 
CRT = computer monitor, not a television. You can't hook up a PS2 directly onto a CRT without a convertorbox ==> converts PAL or NTCS signal into computer signal.
 
Kikie, CRT = Cathode Ray Tube. It's the technology used in CRT televisions and computer monitors. :)
kikie
Conventional TV with S-video is the best solution.
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Conventional TV with Componenent or RGB Scart(Europe) is the best solution. :]
 
The best for GT4 is an interlaced CRT 16:9 Tv attached to PS2 with scart or components cables, all HDTV sets have line doublers for non progressive sources that make the interlaced sygnal of the game look worse detail than original was. LCDs make very pixelated output of the PS2.
ExigeExcel
As you guys are all pretty TV literate, does anyone know why i get 'ghosting' across my TV screen when watching DVD? It doesn't appear to be copying what is on teh screen but more of a liscensing logo if you know what I mean. It can get pretty intense at time. I have tried a lense cleaner on my DVD player, I have cleaned teh scart connectors. But nothing works.

It works fine with my PS2.
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Do you have a 100Hz tv? if true try to disconnect all the image quality enhacers at the tv menu config(motion compensation, natural view, etc)
 
Pak
you are right, CRT is both television and comp monitor, my mistake. Sorry

But with a 100 Hz television = S-video the best solution.

50 Hz = red green blue, the best solution. Called a television store and got this information.
 
For USA - component cables.

For Europe - RGB SCART. Notice that SCART cable must be inserted into RGB slot on TV, EURO-SCART input has poor quality picture. if the telly don't have RGB input, it's time for a change of the telly.

As for telly itself, I have tried all 3 - CRT, plasma and LCD and the winner is classic tube, preferably widescreen, 100Hz flat one.

Consider that some advanced picture technology like Philips's MachLine or Sony's DRC will iprove the picture even further. IMHO, LOEWE would be the best solution, but their models are freaking expensive. On this stage of affordable techology, both plasmas and LCD are even more expensive, and the results for PS2 playing sucks (no interlacing and the refresh rate suckz BIG time).

When the tube is OK, all you have to spend your money on are cables. In USA "Monster" is the word. In Europe, Sony's official RGB SCART cable for PS2 is the best one available. Notice that "gold-coating" and some other advertising rubbish won't improve enything expect the profit of its manufactorer.
 
Agree with Solid e.a.

82cm (33") Widescreen TV with deinterlacing ... Doesn't have to be HDTV though as long as it can deinterlace, like my older Philips 82cm Widescreen 100hz. If you look around, non-HDTVs that still have proper de-interlacing may still be found and are usually half the price of a proper HDTV.

When connected to a proper RGB cable (the white cable on page 1), the TV automatically recognises that GT3 wants to run true widescreen and preselects that automatically. 100hz (or 120hz if you live in the U.S.) rules especially with the 100hz, as it can just draw the picture at 50hz but leave the previous image standing each time, resulting in a crisp and fluid animation.

Everything else either lags and/or has ridiculous contrast levels that mess up proper colour (LCD/TFT), and/or suffers from burn in (many plasmas), and are relatively expensive for what you get (all of them) unless you want to save a lot of space.

Widescreen is a must for GT, and I'll show you why here:

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I don't like the look of 100hz tv's :(
They digitally **** up a 50hz signal (only advantage being "no flickering" but I can live with that :o)
Imo the best would be a 16:9 50hz TV with Scart RGB or Component.
Btw amar, they're goldplated for low resistance signal transfer, could you explain why that's rubbish?

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kikie, why would s-video be better for 100hz tv's?
 
Would you see a hugely noticable difference as you used better and better quality cables?......I use the 3 AV ones at the moment connected to a scart adaptor.....picture quality is quite good, if I then got something better (like a monster gold scart cable) would the change be too slight to notice?...Im using a 21 inch sony flat fronted trinitron.....

also, do they have scart in america by any chance? (just curious)

.......and.....is scart the best quality connection?

robin
 
Pak
I don't like the look of 100hz tv's :(
They digitally **** up a 50hz signal (only advantage being "no flickering" but I can live with that :o)
Imo the best would be a 16:9 50hz TV with Scart RGB or Component.
Btw amar, they're goldplated for low resistance signal transfer, could you explain why that's rubbish?

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kikie, why would s-video be better for 100hz tv's?
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Pak Screw 50Hz they suck for clarity.
I currently running A 36inch Phillips match line 100hz digital widescreen set, linked with RGB gold cables running to the RGB scart, nothing touches it, for stability and clarity. I can even turn on the digital picture enhancements for an even crisper look, although it does highlight more jaggies at times.

Prior to this I ran a 28inch 4:3 also a Phillips 100hz, again although this set was about 10 years old the Picture was sharper than anything else I played on.

My brother-inlaw runs his PS2 on his 32inch widescreen at 50hz with RGB and the clarity while good is nowhere near as sharp as 100hz, small text bleed quite badly in 50hz as compared with 100hz, and are less legible, although still 10 times clearer than running through S video. and RF and av just forget it.

Kylie S-video Sucks on anything compared to RGB Scart, if i feed the scart cable to a S video scart on my 100hz tv It makes everything hazier, it just looks awful when your used to running 100hz RGB clarity.

EDIT: Robin you will be astounded at the picture quality improvement over the Useless A/V cables with scart adaptor :yuck:
RGB scart connected to the NUMBER 1 or RGB scart socket is the best connection in europe. (Even though some TVs have 2 or 3 scart sockets, usually only number 1 is the RGB socket, The rest are usually S-Video connections with scart Socket attached, some TV's Like mine have 2 RGB and 2 S-video scart sockets)
I belive the U.S have a slightly inferior component connection but not scart.

EDIT: Arwin The only other advantage of PLASMA over traditional tube set apart from the space, Is the weight, my 36inch Classic tubed widescreen weighs in at a whopping 70kg and requires two people to move it, I also belive that 36inch is the largest you can go with a standurd tube set, as the depth of the tube would be enormous, to get the guns far enough away to project aymore.
 
Well GTXLR, that's your opinion and probably many people share that opinion with you.
But I personally hate 100hz, my 50hz TV shows the original signal. Looks better than 100hz imo. :)
 
Horch
Somebody , please tell me :
What is the difference between an RGB-scart and an Euro-scart cable ?
Thanks .
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RGB scart= Seperated colour channel red,green and blue, as well as seperate audio
Euro scart= S-video with a scart connection, colour channels not seperate but seperate from sound.

RGB scart gives significantly clearer image.
 
I personally use a 36 inch Sony WEGA XBR
monster component cable and monster optical cable for audio

great sound great graphics... bring out the true color of GT
 
GTXLR
RGB scart= Seperated colour channel red,green and blue, as well as seperate audio
Euro scart= S-video with a scart connection, colour channels not seperate but seperate from sound.

RGB scart gives significantly clearer image.
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What does SCART stand for?

We just call em component RGBs here. Same deal.

Take 3 coaxial cables, add good quality connectors, label, and crimp.

Dedicated cables for each colour, much clearer than S video.
 
GTXLR
RGB scart= Seperated colour channel red,green and blue, as well as seperate audio
Euro scart= S-video with a scart connection, colour channels not seperate but seperate from sound.

RGB scart gives significantly clearer image.
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To get a little technical here, read the following.

RCA = A video, often yellow, connection (input/output) that sends video images to and from electronic equipment.

S-Video = A higher quality video signal connection that keeps parts of the video signal separated. Luminance (Brightness/Darkness) and chrominance (Color) are kept seperarte from each other. All TV sets must separate these parts of a video signal, for processing, before beaming them to the back of the TV screen. This process causes a lot of picture detail loss, and color fading. S-Video prevents that from happening by keeping these two parts separated.

Component = Takes a further step to separate the video signal. Luminance and chrominance are seperated, but chrominance is separated into two different colors. This improves clarity, and especially color detail, further than what S-Video can provide. It is the ultimate analog video connection.
 
Solid Lifters
To get a little technical here, read the following.

RCA = A video, often yellow, connection (input/output) that sends video images to and from electronic equipment.

S-Video = A higher quality video signal connection that keeps parts of the video signal separated. Luminance (Brightness/Darkness) and chrominance (Color) are kept seperarte from each other. All TV sets must separate these parts of a video signal, for processing, before beaming them to the back of the TV screen. This process causes a lot of picture detail loss, and color fading. S-Video prevents that from happening by keeping these two parts separated.

Component = Takes a further step to separate the video signal. Luminance and chrominance is seperated, but chrominance are separated into two different colors. This improves clarity, and especially color detail, further than what S-Video can provide. It is the ultimate analog video connection.
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and then there's DVI... which converts analog signals into digital, if I'm getting it right.
 
kinigitt
and then there's DVI... which converts analog signals into digital, if I'm getting it right.
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No, it's just a connection for digital signals only. DVI is crap, anyway. The real good digital connection is HDMI. DVI may, or may not be, HDCP compliant. Plus, it wont do multi channel digital audio.
 
Golden coating for European RGB SCART cables don't improve anything - the best RGB SCART cable money can but is an official Sony's RGB SCART cable. I was strictly reffering to that.

Word.
 
Hey, wait a moment, where is supposed to be the S-Video connector in the PS2 (mine is a european PAL PS2)????

Is that you must buy a separate PS2 to S-video cable? (In that case, and as I have RGB scart, I should go directly to RGB)

Is that correct?
 
Samelborp
Hey, wait a moment, where is supposed to be the S-Video connector in the PS2 (mine is a european PAL PS2)????

Is that you must buy a separate PS2 to S-video cable? (In that case, and as I have RGB scart, I should go directly to RGB)

Is that correct?
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S-Video is the yellow coloured phono-connector that plugs into the scart adaptor, the other two are left and right (stereo) audio. If your TV has separate inputs they should be at the front or side.
 

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