Two anoying things about rims.

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One wrong word by the OP and he can forget to get any answers to his question. I guess you all know what's correct to say for the wheel. Congratulation, but reading a post and answer it is hard. Even if English language is from your own country. No wonder it's a lot of misunderstandings out there.

I use the word rim, even though I know it should be wheel. Yes I miss use the English language.. At least I know more than my native language, to be able to communicate, but it this case I see no understanding of people unsure of the English language, and my experience used to be that English people was very understanding towards those who was unsure of their langue and did their best to understand.

This have turned into something way off topic and should be edited by supervisors of this forum in my opinion. No one even want to try answer the thread starter.
 
powell145
Exactly it's international so OPEN up and accept him using RIM = WHEEL and don't give him a hard time.
That anger is all of you jumping on him for accepable languague in ou country yet all of you who don't live even close or probably even been here say YOU know what RIM means here. Substitue 'Z' for 'S' here, like some words and YOU ARE WRONG.

RIM = WHEEL in the US. Agree with the logic we don't call hood bonnets and 99% of americans have no idea what one is. Don't argue against local slangs, you won't win an piss people off.

Ask for a fag from the wrong person in the US and you'll get punched in the face.



Oh and P.S.. all of you need to READ THE DICTIONARY it's not even slang any longer IT'S ACCEPTED.
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The dictionary? It's not in the one I looked in, but that's irrelevant. It's still slang.
As I said, nothing wrong with that.

This isn't a spelling variation, either, so your 'z' and 's' example is also irrelevant. Same for hood and bonnet (both are head coverings), which is like spanner and wrench.
What you don't seem to realise is that using "rim" to refer to a whole wheel is technically incorrect; "rim" has an established technical meaning (in the sense that it describes something with a certain form or function), and it is distinct from "wheel". Thus, there is scope for confusion, even amongst your countrymen.

If I'm giving anyone a "hard time", it's for ridiculous assertions and insulting behaviour. Then there's the idiocy in providing a Google image search for "rims" as "evidence" when a similar search for "wheels" is possibly just as illuminating, if not even more so.

By the way, I imagine if you were to ask for anything from "the wrong person", you'd get a punch. Some people are like that. I really doubt the first person I walked up to in your wonderful (no sarcasm) country would actually punch me for saying fag. What kind of a human being would that make them; what would that make all of you, given the odds? I wonder what would happen if you asked someone for a rim in various countries. Any brave volunteers?

In other words, how about we separate this issue from the nationalistic 🤬, and that goes for both "sides". "Rim", as referring to a complete wheel assembly, is a potentially confusing (and arguably stigmatised) term, that is technically redundant, given "wheel" already serves the same purpose, not to mention "rim" having a distinct and separate meaning that may be used in the very context of wheels itself.
Just as a point of curiosity, what are they called in the game? What does Forza call them?


As for the thread being off-topic, it was established long ago that it has been discussed elsewhere at length, so I'm doubly surprised this thread is still going.
 
rim is a slang term used on mtv cribs and pimp my ride to sound cool they are called wheels
the rim is the outer part of the wheel

you can have a rim of a cup. basketball hoop. bath tub ect ect
 
Griffith500
If I'm giving anyone a "hard time", it's for ridiculous assertions and insulting behaviour. Then there's the idiocy in providing a Google image search for "rims" as "evidence" when a similar search for "wheels" is possibly just as illuminating, if not even more so.
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If you were having a go at me with that remark I was simply using the results to illustrate the stupid rubbish associated with "rims" and people who call wheels "rims". As a matter of fact, a quick glance at the results for "wheels" turns up a far greater proportion of nice looking alloy wheels, as opposed to ridiculously blingy, over the top crap, thereby proving my point even more.

To the people who call them "rims" in here, you can bet your house that BBS, Enkei and Volk don't call them "rims" but hey, what the hell would they know?
 
Instead of keeping on discussing semantics and the cultural context of slang (or secret language), why not discuss the original topic, even though I'll admit we can only speculate about the reasons all wheels (or alloys, rims, etc.) aren't available for all cars.
Unless someone has a credible idea why it's limited and why it isn't or can't be 'fixed' somehow.
Maybe discussing all subtle nuances and uses of the word rim offers more food for debate and if so, disregard my suggestion. ;)
 
I am personally at a total loss as to the reason for the limited and varied selection of wheels from car to car.
I don't think that the wheels are modeled together with the cars, in the sense that I think that there is only one car model (per car, naturally) but I would agree that perhaps each wheel style is modeled individually per car, so that the proportions are correct for that car.

This goes against what previous games did, where the size of the wheels was automatically scaled from car to car, such that even the OEM wheels could be fitted to a wide range of vehicles with different sized wheels (perhaps wrongly, although I didn't mind.)
Then there were the Racing and "Dirt" tyres of GT4, which resulted in slightly larger and smaller wheels respectively, which was kind of bizarre when it applied to the car's stock wheels (again, I didn't mind.)

I can only assume, perhaps somewhat pie-in-the-sky, that PD were working on some similar system, perhaps with extra customisability, that just didn't make the cut. So perhaps they had to hastily "export" a few fixed-sized wheels for each car.
Now there must be a similar thing with the update for the Standards, although I haven't checked if things like the aspect ratio are the same across every car, because it's clear the overall size will be different from car to car, so some scaling must be occurring - why couldn't they do that with the Premiums at the same time?

Yeah, perplexing.

peter_vod69
If you were having a go at me with that remark I was simply using the results to illustrate the stupid rubbish associated with "rims" and people who call wheels "rims". As a matter of fact, a quick glance at the results for "wheels" turns up a far greater proportion of nice looking alloy wheels, as opposed to ridiculously blingy, over the top crap, thereby proving my point even more.

To the people who call them "rims" in here, you can bet your house that BBS, Enkei and Volk don't call them "rims" but hey, what the hell would they know?
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Matters of taste aside, that was sort of my point.
 
peter_vod69
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Y'See, since the good old days, when the Romans were busy invading Britain, and right on down to the very first motor carriages, (note the key words here people) RIMS were often replaced as they wore out/were damaged. Same as spokes. The replacement rim would be reattached to the original spokes, which were, in turn attached to a central mounting point, known as a "HUB", forming (wait for it!) a WHEEL.

So, once again - THE RIM IS THE OUTER EDGE SECTION OF A WHOLE ASSEMBLY KNOWN AS A WHEEL.

Oh and since when was a "column" a "wheel"?



Yes.
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I don't need a history lesson, I'm quite fond of world history. Though you sir are an... Well I won't say anything because mods are picky about what you say to others, but you know what I want to call you. If you read what I said, a typical RIM in the current world is made of three pieces. You can watch videos about it, but the way its put together it won't come apart. So it makes it into one piece. As others have said, the rim is the part many daily drivers mess up by bumping into curbs and also bending the rim hitting a big pot hole. So what do you do? You have to go get a new RIM and that includes the spokes because they are put together to tightly you won't get them apart. So when people talk about rims they speak of that one piece that is all formed together. :) Get it now? If you don't then hope for you is surely lost.

Also a "column" has been known as a wheel because for one... Its a wheel. Two people mostly call it a steering "WHEEL" more so then steering "column". Steering columns is the whole steering assembly coming out from the dash. Your hands grab the most important part of the steering column which is the "WHEEL".
 
MadBullBunny
I don't need a history lesson, I'm quite fond of world history. Though you sir are an... Well I won't say anything because mods are picky about what you say to others, but you know what I want to call you. If you read what I said, a typical RIM in the current world is made of three pieces. You can watch videos about it, but the way its put together it won't come apart. So it makes it into one piece. As others have said, the rim is the part many daily drivers mess up by bumping into curbs and also bending the rim hitting a big pot hole. So what do you do? You have to go get a new RIM and that includes the spokes because they are put together to tightly you won't get them apart. So when people talk about rims they speak of that one piece that is all formed together. :) Get it now? If you don't then hope for you is surely lost.
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The number of "pieces" an object has is irrelevant to the spatial and functional designations it receives. A bolt or screw has a head, a shank and a thread, but they're all forged and machined from the same piece of wire.
Even billet wheels have a hub, spokes and rim. That's just how we differentiate between the different functional "parts" (sure they happen to be materially contiguous in this case, but not functionally) of the same object.
 
Griffith500
I am personally at a total loss as to the reason for the limited and varied selection of wheels from car to car.
I don't think that the wheels are modeled together with the cars, in the sense that I think that there is only one car model (per car, naturally) but I would agree that perhaps each wheel style is modeled individually per car, so that the proportions are correct for that car.
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There are other limitations which made me suggest multiple models for each premium car could be used (and thus limit the options).
Like when a car is available with multiple interior colours it changes to a default colour (one of the options, usually the black or grey one) when you paint it (which suggests to me they use one default-model for painting).
If they have to remodel each wheel's size to each car, that basically what I meant, you have one model modelled with different options which effectively means perhaps having multiple car models available, since the game needs to process each exterior change made (maybe it's a change to another model?).
 
Speaking of upgrading the wheels on an automobile. Has anyone documented tests to show that the upgraded wheels improve performance. They don't impact the PP rating on the car. Has anyone seen an impact on tuning?

If they have an impact it should be on grip and should show up on turns leading to lower lap times. I haven't tested to see if this is true and wonder if anyone has....
 
analog
There are other limitations which made me suggest multiple models for each premium car could be used (and thus limit the options).
Like when a car is available with multiple interior colours it changes to a default colour (one of the options, usually the black or grey one) when you paint it (which suggests to me they use one default-model for painting).
If they have to remodel each wheel's size to each car, that basically what I meant, you have one model modelled with different options which effectively means perhaps having multiple car models available, since the game needs to process each exterior change made (maybe it's a change to another model?).
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I imagine the interior colour is handled separately from the rest of the texturing and shading on the car; perhaps it's just a distinct texture map per colour (more likely to be a monochrome portion with a mask that shows where the parts are that change colour, and a tint applied to those areas - much like how I suspect the paint works). It could still just be one model even so; if it really were a separate model, there would be a loading pause, comparable to the wait in loading the car in the garage, which I don't remember there being.

We were told that the Premium cars were modeled as their separate components, so there is the possibility that each panel etc. is a separate model, although it seems more likely that they are separate components in the same model.
When you consider all the colour combinations and wheel (and wing, and bumper etc.) combinations, it quickly snowballs in terms of space requirements for separate models for each variation. Thus it makes more sense just to aggregate the separate components, modeled once each, together in various ways instead.

None of which adequately explains why the wheel selection is the way it is, of course.


I personally have never noticed any improvements to performance as a result of fitting different wheels, despite claims (well, in the manual, which may have been simply talking about real life) that it should do so since GT2. I've never properly tested it, though.
 
MadBullBunny
I don't need a history lesson, I'm quite fond of world history. Though you sir are an... Well I won't say anything because mods are picky about what you say to others, but you know what I want to call you. If you read what I said, a typical RIM in the current world is made of three pieces. You can watch videos about it, but the way its put together it won't come apart. So it makes it into one piece. As others have said, the rim is the part many daily drivers mess up by bumping into curbs and also bending the rim hitting a big pot hole. So what do you do? You have to go get a new RIM and that includes the spokes because they are put together to tightly you won't get them apart. So when people talk about rims they speak of that one piece that is all formed together. :) Get it now? If you don't then hope for you is surely lost.

Also a "column" has been known as a wheel because for one... Its a wheel. Two people mostly call it a steering "WHEEL" more so then steering "column". Steering columns is the whole steering assembly coming out from the dash. Your hands grab the most important part of the steering column which is the "WHEEL".
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Rim = part of a wheel. The outside part. Rim + Spokes + Hub = wheel. I doubt it could be made more simple for you to understand. The type of construction is irrelevant.

Steering Column = the section connecting the steering rack/box with the Steering (wait for it...) WHEEL. Again, I've simplified it as much as I can for you.

Hope this Helps.
 
I can't believe no one has beat me to this, but I have to say something.

I am American and I speak English natively. I call the round things on which tires are mounted "wheels," because wheels is the correct use of the word. As the "foreigners" have already explained, a wheel is composed of a hub at the middle, a rim which makes up the outer edge, and spokes connecting the two. Unless the wheel is a completely solid disc, then it's just a wheel.

It's not an issue of dialect, it's an issue of definition. The "spanner vs. wrench" analogy is invalid, since the proper term for the tool is a "spanner wrench" (as opposed to other types of wrenches, such as socket wrenches). In American English, we drop the "spanner" part in common vernacular. In British English, they drop the "wrench" part. Neither changes the fact that, in the English language, the term is "spanner wrench" as a type of wrench.

Yes, "rim" is a popular term used by people who do not properly grasp the language they grew up speaking to describe the wheel on an automobile. That doesn't make it correct. Argue all you want that it's a common term in American English and you have a defensible case. You people are actually arguing that the *proper definition* of "rim" is and entire wheel, which is factually incorrect. Those of you making that argument are a clear example of why the rest of the world looks down on America.
 
Are semantics really that important? It's like nitrous vs NOS. We all know you mean N2O.
 
McClarenDesign
Are semantics really that important? It's like nitrous vs NOS. We all know you mean N2O.
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Generally? Yes, very important. If I were clever enough, I'd have whipped up a "witty" example of how the meanings of words (and the mutual understanding of said meanings) are fundamental to any argument, "semantic" in nature, or otherwise. But I'm not.

So, you might want to think about whether it's just pedantry, or whether there is actual value in preserving the established meanings of the two words in question. I suspect that is beyond the scope of this thread, though, which might be what you meant. But then, I'm not going to argue on semantics...


Oh, and I believe the correct spelling is "NAWS", just so that everybody can be sure of the real meaning. ;)
 
Wheels FTW :)

"MATTE RP03 MATTE BLACK NOW AVAILABLE IN LIMITED SIZES
Came into the office this morning and there was a great surprise delivery from Japan waiting in our warehouse… Matte Black RP03 Racing Series wheels! For now, the black version of the RP03 will be available in a 17×8 5×100 +48 configuration for the Subaru crowd along with a 19×8.5 +22, and 19×10 +22 setup for all of the 5×114.3 cars."

Come at me bro...
 
Griffith500
Generally? Yes, very important. If I were clever enough, I'd have whipped up a "witty" example of how the meanings of words (and the mutual understanding of said meanings) are fundamental to any argument, "semantic" in nature, or otherwise. But I'm not.

So, you might want to think about whether it's just pedantry, or whether there is actual value in preserving the established meanings of the two words in question. I suspect that is beyond the scope of this thread, though, which might be what you meant. But then, I'm not going to argue on semantics...


Oh, and I believe the correct spelling is "NAWS", just so that everybody can be sure of the real meaning. ;)
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Lol..examples of words which meanings change
Saloon..4Door sedan or bar...boot...trunk or footwear...get pissed...drunk or angry...bonnet..hood or hat?
 
driftinziggy
Lol..examples of words which meanings change
Saloon..4Door sedan or bar...boot...trunk or footwear...get pissed...drunk or angry...bonnet..hood or hat?
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Semantic shift is inevitable (and most of your examples are not comparable; this is a synecdoche), but fashionable terms don't persist for long, being fashion and all.

Just for thought, what happens when you refer to the rim of a "rim"? And no, the lip is the radial extension from the rim that holds the tyre axially / laterally, and was never (functionally) present on wheels before pneumatic tyres, whereas wheels have always had rims, what with them being round.

Probably not a "real problem", but still interesting.
 
Griffith500
Semantic shift is inevitable (and most of your examples are not comparable; this is a synecdoche), but fashionable terms don't persist for long, being fashion and all.

Just for thought, what happens when you refer to the rim of a "rim"? And no, the lip is the radial extension from the rim that holds the tyre axially / laterally, and was never (functionally) present on wheels before pneumatic tyres, whereas wheels have always had rims, what with them being round.

Probably not a "real problem", but still interesting.
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Yes..i am aware of the thread and the debate over rims/wheels..and I am also aware that my examples didn't directly correlate ..i just wanted to get a little humor on the already over serious conflict over what to call the objects in which our cars are rolling on
 
driftinziggy
i just wanted to get a little humor on the already over serious conflict over what to call the objects in which our cars are rolling on
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The road? Or is it street?
 
I call them "Tyre holders" Well not really but there needs to be a bigger selection of them anyway
 

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